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H'oi! :D OK, I shall leave my p*ssing prowess out of it ;) This is an interesting thread, and I hope noones taking offense to anything I've said. Sounds like we all agree chucking bits at a car won't make it quick. Well, not as quick as setting it up properly or building it right from the start with a realistic figure in mind. Gotta also say good on kirbz for having the balls to take on the task... which is what the point of this thread was, right? I know my balls aint that big, which is why I went the (arguably) safer route and paid SE to do it! :) As for other cars they've done, there's a red one there right now that's (AFAIK) got the same spec I've got, except uprated con-rods, with T28's, that's put out over 600 bhp... this info came from Bob, so it's not me making it up. The other 700+ bhp one was the "pink" one that's been around for years. It was at their very first open day (at the new place) and there's been some pics of it about with a big "300ZX" sign over it, from when they took it to the Paris motor show. I dunno for sure if it ever really managed it, but it wouldn't take much to find out. Andy E's is as far as I know broke at the moment, but I can't comment any more than that. It is a monster, but it's also probably got a ton of gadgets it doesn't need. I don't really like how easily this 600 bhp figure is being thrown about. A 400 bhp Z is a fickin' quick car and not to be sniffed at. I'd have said the mods between 400 and 500 bhp could cost a small fortune, but if you're careful and know what you're doing (mapping being a big part of it - which is obviously an art-form all on it's own!) it's possible without having to go nuts... uprated intercooler(s) / tubs / injectors / exhaust / induction / custom map. 500+ is something else. You must have to start making decisions about where you're gonna lose out... slap big tubs on and get loads of peak bhp but added lag... uprated cams - again, less torque low down til it all comes on song. Nitrous? Not everyone's cup'o'tea. 600+ is kinda beyond my comprehension! But it doesn't seem possible without mahoosive work and turning the car into an absolute sh*t to drive! If money's no object then, sure... 600 bhp - why not?! The problem here is people thinking it's p*ss-easy to achieve it because someone else has got, say, 500. If this thread had no mention of bhp and kirbz had made a lump producing 450 bhp we'd all have been impressed. Maccas lump... being built and mapped by SE... with all their years of experience... it's obviously gonna be impressive. But Iain - you might hate driving a car that's all power up the top rpms, especially with an auto-box. Not trying to sew seeds of doubt, but big peak bhp doesn't necessarily make a quick car.

Getting myself ready for the: What colour is your carpet? poll... snooorrrrrr! :D Shortly followed by the: how often do you use your boot? poll. Not forgetting the: what are the chances of that 300ZX Max Power article ever happening?! poll. 101 greatest 300ZX.co.uk polls - in shops now just in time for Christmas! :D

Uh-oh! :D OK, so they won't let you pay for a guaranteed job to make 600 bhp with a pair of these... but when they get 600+ that's a lucky customer who wasn't expecting it(?!). Not disputing what you've been told but lines between the reading of... NOW HEY!... I never said it did! :) And I kinda was thinking there's more than one. But anyway, my point was that SE have done 600+, 700+... so what's the "UK's 1st two 600 bhp Z's" teaser all about? Honestly, I just wanna know... I h'aint disputing how far anyone can p*ss up the side of a wall.

I've got a pair of cats in the garage somewhere if he needs them. What are they worth? Hm.

1-2-3... you're in! I think we'd better make this sooner rather than later - I dunno how long I've got my Z til it breaks again ;)

What's going on here? Is this whole thread a wind-up that I've been left out of? Am I talking to myself? 300 bhp Pulsars?! I've already said SE have had 400+ using one T28! Then Macca says a pair of T28s can't blow for 600 bhp (fact?!)?! You'd better let Pete know next time you're down here Iain cos he might need to stop working on a few other projects if that's the case. Gotta ask - what is this "1st two UK 600 bhp Z's" teaser? It's a trick question, right? Because the obvious answer is SE. Or did someone do it before them? 1st two 700+ bhp UK Z's has to be SE too. No? Correct me! This whole bhp thing seems to be getting out of hand. I wouldn't want a 600 bhp Z, because to get that poor ole V6 to make that much power you'd have to push everything right up to the top rpms (cam timing, turbos coming on full boost) which means you'd big-time be losing out low down. I wanted a car that I can actually drive! If you're racing your 300 then fair enough - go for max bhp and drive it around peak rpms... but that's not exactly public-road now is it?! If you guys are going for a peak bhp p*ssing competition then I'm really not in it, but I reckon I'll still have a quicker car overall because I'll have power I can use rather than masses of lag then tyres of fire.

TBH, I don't know :rolleyes: I'm probably being overly cautious. I'll go find out this week. I can't honestly imagine what it's gonna be like at high boost... it's lighting up the rear tyres at 5 psi for crying out loud!

Apparently one T28 (a real one, not hybrid) can make enough air for over 400 bhp - SE managed that on a GTiR. There's a Jap Performance article on their wall (by the comfy sofa) where they've had 470-odd on standard 300 bottom end. I thought that was a lot! Has anyone here even broken 500 bhp with standard pistons?! Real proof I mean, not "I've bought these bits so I've got 500 bhp". Stu... don't get me wrong, but when your lump was in SE you didn't wanna fork out for extra bits like mig-wiring which could've helped hold it together. Now you're talking about pushing it til it breaks? It's not just piston damage - what happens if you f*ck the block and have to start again?

He's not that old! But yeah, that's Ian and Christian (father / son). Dunno who's driving there tho.

:D Any 3000GTs wanna go Stu? ;) When you gonna do it Roy?

Just out of interest, where did the 600 bhp figure come from? It sounds like an extremely large amount! I'm fully not expecting 600 bhp (crank) running T28s at 2 bar / forged pistons / cams / ported heads / big intercoolers / phatt exhausts (no cats) / ECU tuned by SE-Pete... not that I'm saying you *can't* with standard pistons. And it's not a "I'm better than you cos I've spent more money" - but there are reasons Pete configured my engine like this... the big one being because he knows what's gonna work. If you're up for the challenge of trying to find something new, then good on y'all. But (said in the nicest way possible) be ready for disappointment. I reckon there's some things that could help tho. Maybe a good place to start is chucking away the cr*ppy bits of the engine and making something better - like the exhaust manifolds and plenum?

Who's next? Groves... get the kettle on! Less talk, more do! I've done the thousand now BTW. 5 nights... knew I could do it :D

I'm up for that. Didn't you guys do one for 2F2F at Bluewater? I actually have Z for this one! :D

It's definitely different - a proper cruising machine! The Lambo doors would just set that off. It looks like you're gonna have to be *sooooooo* careful with it. I dunno if I could be, and I am pretty careful with mine. Not sure if it's possible, but have you thought about hydraulics? Even if they're not extreme they might help out when you wanna drive a bit harder. Bangin'! :D

I really dunno. I thought I read it somewhere. Been married / got divorced? Maybe that was it?!

Well, being as Andy lives opposite a pub, and I sat outside it rattling everyones beer about, it would've been rude not to go in for a p*ss-weak shandy! Oh man, you dunno how close I came to getting a pic of Andy with an Ann Summers package under his arm! Sorry MrP - not that you're reading this, cos you're probably busy with your new space-hopper ;) Err... yeah, if you like. Did it come out OK? Bit dark maybe? Got some boost on today - a whole 5 psi! Still feels fickin' quick tho. It was all going great tonight... then I went and hit something in the road (think it was some kind of animal) and smashed the sh*t out of my nose! Fibre-glass bits everywhere! Dammit! Only had it back a few days and the animals have got it in for me already. What was this thread about again?! Oh yeah... some people wanna meet up. Tell you what - if everyone stays exactly where they are, at some point I'll probably drive past you all :)

...and a big pair of Greddy tubs?! ... and a whole sack full of secret mods?! :D

:D Wot, even with a really phatt wide-@rse kit?! ;)

The clanky tappet noise could be down to low oil pressure in the heads - mine was the same, but my whole engine was filthy inside... really gummed up (not no more! :) ). Apparently, that's not a massive problem - just sounds nasty. But listening to your vid - is that horrible f@rty noise real, or funny codec / distortion?! It sounds facked! The close side-on shot makes it look like steam, but in the far shot it seems to drift longer than steam would. I dunno about head gasket - surely you'd see some other problems (overheating etc)? Dunno. Could be a stuck valve and the smoke is unburnt fuel. I think you'd know if it was oil - it'd stink really bad. If there's anyone local to you with a ConZult (or if you've got one) then you could do a power balance test for a bit of a clue.

Wait til SE start tuning the nuts out of them... maybe you'll change your mind.

If there's beer, I'll be there ;) I h'aint got a mini tho - only a Zed. I'm doing super-mini-meets at the moment. Who's tonight? Hmm... should be AndyP really. Get the kettle on Andy! :)

That sounds /well/ dodgy! We had a scam here at work asking for our bank details so some foreign company could transfer a load of money to us (for some strange reason). It sounded too good to be true. Our bank told us they'd been targetting small companies, and with the details had been transfering large sums /out/ of their accounts. This sounds kinda familiar. A total guess... maybe they'll put the money in your account until they know you've shipped your car, then transfer it back out, along with everything else in there. It just sounds too dodgy to me!

Yeah, why not ;) Is this day open to spectators? No pressure at all!.. might be interesting to come and watch. You've got females on an engineering course? We had, like, two... I was definitely in the wrong place! Fas, I thought you was married!?! Where'd I get that idea from?

Really? Wow! Ask Pete next time you're in there ;)

Ah, but maybe you said it better... and maybe a bit more responsibly? :D Good point about the part-worn tyres. Even better to go for a set of R-compounds on a second set of wheels, but that aint gonna be cheap! Talking to a tyre bloke the other day, he said brand spanking new tyres are gonna need to do a few (hundred) miles before they're up to full grippy-ness. Dunno if that's really the case tho. Depends how worn the current ones are I s'pose. They'll be alright ;) Forgot fuel pump starvation too - another good point. Great for weight-saving that (running on empty) but gonna scare the cr*p out of you if it happens, mid-bend! How young is this young punani?! What are you studying Robtor?