craig

all of those that are eating at the hotel saturday night, can you please look at the menu posted on the top of page 3 of this thread, make your choices and send them to me by posting here, or pm or email, and i can pass it on to the restaurant in advance. they specifically asked for this, when i made the group booking, so they could be well prepared for us when we turn up. we can all still pay separately, but they will make sure they have the food available and so we can all be served at the same time. i will tag everyone who is mentioned on the list for food, when i am not posting from my phone...

for anyone else that might want a room but had not committed yet, i have a few left. any that have not been confirmed with me by next weeknd will be released, as i am staying at the hotel next weeknd and will finalise all of the confirmed bookings while i am there. thanks

Hi Lexx, do you have a copy or a link to the specific guidelines, as i had a similar discussion last year, when my zed failed a few times on that, until it eventually passed. As the MOT is due again soon, it would be good to arrive already armed with the info..

they should all be there, once you go into the PM part of the site, the sent items folder should contain them.

the moderation i see is generally when people are offensive, racist or abusive, whether deliberately or drunkenly, for which there is no place for that here. the bans i see are as a result of the above, or through the outright intent to scam members. thread clean ups happen at the request of thread starters, or when they go way off topic, or when someone has a legitimate complaint about the content, not just a dislike or disagreement. i regularly use a few forums, one if which is more heavly moderated, and one with very little. the latter very often descends into arguments, threats and name calling, like a playground or a rowdy pub. not a good place when that happens. the former does seem oppressd at times, and is not always a good place either. i think we have a fairly even keel in that respect, and have the right balance. you cannot please all the people all the time. but you cannot let it descend into a free for all shithouse either

There is no little "clique" of people that can and cannot post "what they like". Almost every ban is a result of someone being offensive, not opinionated. The problem here is not being too scared to post something for fear of being banned, but for fear of being moderated or the thread being removed. Shouts of "Freedom of speech" and "name and shame" are all well and good for the people that do not have a duty to remain within the law for the publishing of this content. The moderation team and committee are aware of this legal position that the club must maintain, and have to follow guidelines wherever necessary. Any derogatory or damaging posting against a business must have some physical or documentary evidence to support it, otherwise it cannot be considered as fact by the club, being the publishing medium of that content, whether the posting member is known or hiding behind anonymity. The posting may be 100% factual and correct, but the club cannot prove that itself. I am fully aware of how annoying it is for people not to have an accurate rating of suppliers, or a clear "danger list" published of people to avoid, especially when it could cost you a lot of money if you choose the wrong supplier. A measure of how "reliable/trustworthy/honest" a supplier is could well be their willingness to partake in these type of conversations and argue their point, maintain decorum, discuss the nitty gritty of a customer gripe publicly, rather than immediately revert to a legal position. Believe me, there are a LOT of cowboys that send a legal letter immediately to try and shut a conversation down, because they genuinely have something to hide and are NOT interested in defending their bad workmanship. Fortunately, we do not get so many of these, but in the past, this happened a lot. A lot of these people went out of business long ago. There are always 3 sides to every story, "yours, theirs, and the right one", and it is difficult to get the right one without knowing ALL of the facts. In some cases, you will have to rely on what you read, or revert to private conversations to get more information/opinions.

Alic et al, although i appreciate the intention of the thread, please be aware that the thread could get edited, closed or removed at some point, if anything libelous appears. Unless physical evidence can be provided that proves or disproves a fault from a supplied service caused a failure, then it can only be considered as an opinion and not fact. Any calls for "name and shame', any '3rd party hearsay', or deliberate "in my opinion" baiting may be moderated in order to keep on the correct side of any related publishing law. That being said though, the previous thread was well maintained and well argued from many directly impacted customers and suppliers, and some very honest responses posted. Hopefully this thread will follow the same pattern.

sad day but the legend will live on

My personal favourites are the copper piping extravagances, particularly all along the driver side sill, which I didn't capture very well on the pic. Not quite steam punk, but getting there. Maybe next year it will be more finished? My impression it was built specifically as a show car to attract attention, which it did, and was placed accordingly. Fair play to someone putting the effort in, and managing to get a 300 in one of the most prime spots of the show, at the atrium entrance.

one for the purists

Today I will mostly be here, so let me now if anyone wants to catch up. Won't be in the zed, and will be looking out for the do's and dont's of things to change on the zed :-)

i applied, dont think i have seen a pass yet. but, i wont be able to attend, as i hadnt realised it was the same day that i am off to Cadwell in the afternoon ready for mon/tues on track. i forgot that we were going the day before.

for everyone that is meeting up for the meal on the night before, then we will need to provide our requests the week before, to make it easier for them to serve us all together as a group in the reserved area we have. so, here is the menu, if you want to start thinking about what you want, and i will start collating the details in a few weeks :) https://www.brewersfayre.co.uk/pub-restaurant-menus/Leicestershire/Marina-Hinckley.html

for some dedicated track instruction, should be fun :-D

The numbers have been dwindling for a while, hence the poll about whether to attend this year, and the mixup on plots. There are always a small dedicated group of people that do attend, and it will be good to see if they will be going again this year. It might also be worth approaching Adam who organised Japfest, to see if they want to share the space as before.

the option is there, but no prices yet. i am sure i saw it discussed on their facebook a while ago. it is mentioned in the faq as well, so i guess they are encouraging people to get weekend tickets, before they decide on day pricing.

This. ^^^^ unfortunately. If you go for the whole weekend, from Thursday, and you are not taking your family, then it's fairly good value for 3 nights camping with entertainment. But when you go just for the day, and you can only get Saturday day tickets this year, it gets more expensive, especially as a couple/family. You can go Sunday for free, and watch everyone pack up though. In addition, going as a family for me is out, as there is no way I can take my son out of school for 2 days to go to a car show. As well as having to book my own holiday time off as well. So I can turn up friday night, miss 2 days entertainment, and pay the same. For the younger owners, with no real commitments, bringing themselves and some mates, like I and many others used to do when it was at Billing Aquadrome back in the 90's and 00's, then all well and good, but it just doesn't have that same appeal after 20 years. My main reason for going is to meet up with other members, some who I may not have seen for a while, but for all the reasons above, it's hard to justify for me. But I 100% applaud your wanting to turn it around Paul,, and I hope there are some members that feel they might want to give it another go for you. Actually, maybe it's also the camping that doesn't interest me so much any more either....

http://www.japcarclub.org/ 8-11 September, Newark Showground

Nice one Gary, just beat me to it. Lol.

Yes, he is right, saw the details on the JAE site a few hours ago myself. I didn't make it to the reps meeting this year due to other commitments (serious family illness) and with no NEO and no REO attendance, we therefore missed the plot publishing at the time. These were booked soon after the last show, but with a request for a different area, as the requests have to be submitted well in advance normally. However, when the prices were announced, and after the general feedback on the new show location after the last one, we decided not to promote it as a club this year. This means that we won't be supplying marquee, power, etc. However, as the plots are booked, then any member is welcome to attend and use the stand/plot as they would normally, so please feel free to do so. This would have been announced after the reps meeting, if we had known. I was already writing an announcement to this effect this evening, but you beat me to it.

How many times did you read and re-read that before posting it? :lol:

Drove it around a bit, and took it back to meet its previous owner for a while as well :-D

this looks good for me too. do we need to fill in a car registration form?

congratulations!

i should have had banners with me, but i only remembered when i was nearly there. had been out all day on saturday, so did not get a chance to dig them out of the shed and get prepared. as a z-club stand, the turnout was impressive, including our club. when you look at the evo's, scooby's etc stands, they cover all of the various incarnations, much like z-club try to do, so their stands always look bigger. if you split them down into evo iv's, evo v's, evo vi's for example, they would be smaller turnouts. of the z's, the 350z is the current affordable modifiable car of choice, hence they have more members, of which more of them will attend events. this is just the way that all car clubs go, as the models get older. it comes down to the dedicated hard core enthusiasts to keep the faith. with our club, this enthusiasm dips and peaks. it has always been difficult to find someone willing or able to take on the organisation of club stands at all of these events, because not many people attend all of them. this is why we have regional organisers, to help organise things locally. but when people stop attending, then organisers stop organising. but also, as shows become more commercial, the entry prices increase to stupid levels. turn up on the day, and pay £25 per person, to walk round a massive car park with a couple of trader stalls? after a while, this gets a bit deja vu if anyone has ideas and wants to help turn this around, then step up, talk to me and the committee, lets work something out. this is why we are focussing on an annual club specific event, to try and encourage some club spirit back, and meet with members to discuss how to move forward. come to coventry, bring your ideas, bring your enthusiasm, and make a difference