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:D Just hope it lasts :eek:

I dunno... I kinda think it's easier to improve on someone elses idea. It's hard work coming up with anything completely new. But then, how many ideas are new, rather than improvements of something else? A generic product can always be tailored to a more specific need, but to one person you might be improving it - to someone else making it worse.

I can't imagine what you mean :eek:

Not sure I should say cos you'll all know what stupid-extortionate money I'm on... for a job I mostly do in bed... or p*ssed. I think our newest junior designer (newby scum tw@t!) started on something like 26Kpa. So something like that upwards, depending on skill, personality, and how much beer you can drink without falling over.

I'll keep an eye open for that .) It's OK tho, cos I do too at the moment.

No. Mouldy fanny aint my bag, baby. Would you care to place a guess on your bhp output in case you do run it on the day? (hint, hint!).

You never know, maybe SE have improved their "secret mods" and applied them to Stus car? Or maybe he's just gonna sit in that huge wake you create with your big butt and sling-shot you on the line? ;)

It sounds worse than it feels (IMO). As long as the rest of your suspension is OK (get the rear tracking done!) it can be kinda hard to notice. I did the infamous roundabout test - drive faster and faster in circles... it feels a bit more obvious then. But you have to stop and chuck up after a while ;) Right, what's the normal going rate for a Racelogic box? Just so I can see what a good deal that group buy is.

I wouln't say that. I think your explanation made perfect sense. I wouldn't say I thought you had a problem with words either - you've banged out loads of them :D If it sounds like I've got a real problem with what you're saying, that's not the case. I'm trying to decide what the pros and cons of having TC are. I have a problem with systems that are excessively intrusive - if you take too much away from the driver the experience could end up boring and sanitised. Henri Le Hir put up a long post a while ago about HiCAS, and responded to people saying: it's cr*p, get rid of it! Personally, I'd say HiCAS isn't excessive - you don't feel like it's saving you on every bend. It just becomes part of the handling of the car and you learn to drive with it. I haven't really found ABS intrusive (apart from one time in the snow). I imagine, although reaching out and grabbing you more obviously than HiCAS, TC could be a real benefit without being a complete pain in the ass. Maybe I need a controlled demo - same bit of road (wet bend, whatever) with it enabled and disabled. Considering the sort of horses I'll be trying to put down, and the fact that the cr*ppy weather is here already, maybe it'd be a worthwhile investment? The other benefit of course - if it's peeing down when I do this track-day in November, at least I can go out and try some drifting without thinking I'm gonna kill myself :)

Unlike ChrisC's fanny magnets (that attract fanny), these give you the ability to mould your own ;) Oh, crikey... you didn't think I was talking about fannies gone mouldy, did you?! Euch!

OK, I think maybe there's a bit of a difference between /totally/ relying on invasive technology (and becoming a cr*p driver) and driving your car as hard as you normally would and being saved (possibly) occassionally. These guys I was talking about - my mate will tell you - they hate turning off their gadgets because: "the car's all over the place, man!". There's a big difference between a system that steps in and tries to correct your mistake, and technology like an ECU, power steering or decent suspension... these things are there all the time. ABS - I can see why you might want to remove it, especially with big brakes because the ABS controller could get confused by how fast the wheels are slowing down (must be in a skid!). It's not like I'm saying: if you've got TC you must be a cr*p driver! Far from it. It could be a safety net... but (horns) some people don't like that. In the same respect, some people snowboard without protective headwear (that would be me then) and will most likely get caught out and have some sort of concussion (yeah, in my case, a bit too frequently). But that's part of the fun - having respect for the danger. Driving a 300 (wrecklessly?) can be exceptionally dangerous but we all knew that when we bought one. If we'd wanted something safe we'd all be driving Volvos. From what I remember of my 300 (it's been sooooo long) I had a healthy respect for what it could do. Maybe I was overly cautious driving it? But I had been caught out once before (badly!). I dunno. Maybe I should get one for the sake of safety. And maybe I should start wearing a damn helmet when out in the snow (not getting any younger, ya know?!).

Blinkin' Iain got me thinking about new exhaust fannymolds... but that's got to be about all for now! I don't think it'll go more than 500rwbhp... I mean, I'll probably faint if it did that (i.e. it's probably not going to do that). Still, it's always good to get a second opinion. Have they got it installed yet?

Aww, come on Iain... you know I'm only being cheeky cos I'm guessing your "serious" engine won't be ready in time. If you know you're gonna have a sh*t load more then there's nothing to worry about. Or will your serious engine be ready in time?

Summary of guesses so far... 51x - 550 (crank) (gonna regret saying that, aren't I?!) jaffa - 330 (crank) bagins - 350 (crank) stevexxx - 270 (crank) (my guess for you ;) ) kirbz - 450(+?) (crank) cybernet - 370 (crank) Mac 1 - gotta be embarrassingly small, or he'd have made some kind of guess :D Mr Munster - 250 (rear wheel) AndyP - 300 (rear wheel) The Shrimp - 300 (rear wheel)

I think everyone goes for Racelogic TC because it works, and everyone who's got it keeps going on about how good it is ;) I'm still in two minds about getting one. It looks what you're saying Stu (smw1) is that you've got it there but don't really use it, and the time you needed it you saved yourself anyway. I'm kinda thinking: if I had it I'd be tempted to do things I'd normally know I shouldn't. I.e. it'd make me a worse driver because I'd expect the technology to save me. Yet, if I could forget it was there, maybe I'd drive exactly the same until the one time I got it a bit wrong and it helped me out. I dunno. I don't drive like a lunatic or anything, but I can appreciate a patch of black ice might f*ck you up big time.

Blinkin' flip... I really ought to check the for sale section more often! Still got no car to put it in yet, but not long now.

Hey, I'm not arguing here... I think TC is probably rather good. I like the idea you can get a programmed drift on. And ABS too - a very useful safety feature. But ;) (where's the smiley with the devil-horns?) if you get used to driving a car with TC, or ABS for that matter, what's gonna happen when you drive something that doesn't have these features? A driver that's not in a panic can do what ABS does... as long as they know what they should be doing. If you only ever get into these cr*ppy situations and the car sorts the problem out for you, you don't learn what to do. I s'pose the same goes for any kind of driver assistance - I've seen people drive like complete tits on the track in big'ole BM's with lots of helpful gadgets and they don't get into any (real) trouble. Stick them in a proper car and they'd be off at the first bend :)

Group buy on Racelogic TC? (I take it yours is Racelogic). I'm gutted I missed out on a group buy a while ago - I remember the price was stupid-cheap. Didn't have a car for it to go in at the time :rolleyes: Devils advocate says: isn't your TC just teaching you to drive less carefully (like spell chequers don't improve your spelling)?

Wot, now? Check my rides section ;) Before the engine rebuild it was a bit like you... exhaust, filter, big intercoolers, T28's, 11-ish PSI. I've always tried to get half-decent tyres (Pilot Sports on the 16's and S03's on the 18's... so far). Good idea about the sweepstake, maybe even if it's just for fun (not money, even tho money can be fun). I reckon you'd have to do it on a percentage basis tho cos mine could be, like, +/- 100 fwbhp!

When: 19th October (check the calender!) Where: Engine Advantages, Witham, Essex How much: 30 quid, I think. See Mac 1 for a slot on the "I want to show the world how much bhp my car can make" list. Then pay Nisstek (SE) directly. Pete - this is useful stuff! For some reason I've never been able to spin mine from a standing start. The only way I could get a half-decent launch was give it a heap of revs whilst holding the brakes (left-foot) then drop the brake. I tried the hand-brake but it didn't hold the car still. I even tried getting the revs up in neutral then plopping it in drive, but the box /really/ didn't like that! OK, so the box is now rebuilt (SE fast-road) and I might actually get a proper running car with an acceptable amount of horses. Maybe it will spin now?! Hmm.

Where's it say anything about an E30 M3? I must be going blind .) Some of those descriptions are just /too/ funny. It sounds like he's been told all this stuff (without fully understanding) and tried to write it down before he forgets... "New turbo timings" - eh?! "Remapped turbo to fuel injection system" - you what? "Wastegates Trumpets" - righto "4 wheel steering updated" - howsat then? "Updated ground effects"... I presume that's from the: "12 feet Red Neon kit" - BLING! Fantastic stuff :D WTF is he on about?!

You bat fastard! ;) That's a stonking time you got there Pete. I need to talk to you about your 1/4 mile technique. You've got an autobox too, haven't you?!

Can I play? :D I'll have the fickin lot of ya in me Mondeo ;)

I dunno what transmission loss figure they'll use, or whether they can back-calculate it (per car). I've seen 12-14% on other cars. I guess it'll be that-and-a-bit for an autobox tho. Remember the rollers are limited to something like 500 rwbhp, so if an auto and a manual both hit the limit it'll look like the auto's got more at the flywheel :) Apparently the rwbhp figure will be obvious while the car is running - a big display showing it in realtime. Macca - :p :D

270 quid?! You've gotta be taking the p*ss! What's that... no mods, limited mileage? F*ck dude, I'm paying more than 1400 for mine... and driving a Mondeo (I'll shut up about that right now).