I went to santa pod for some more practice and getting my arse kicked (it's character building) Only managed 4 runs again but that was due to rain. Here's me doing a 12.4 and 128.6 terminal speed but the other guy runs a 11.3 :)

 

Edited September 5, 201114 yr by bobgenie
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you've got the bug now :) what's your 60ft time like?

you've got the bug now :) what's your 60ft time like?

 

as you can see from the video my 60 foot is cr@p and that's what's messing my times up. I'm really wanting to improve so that I can do well at TOTB next year but probably won't do any more as I don't enjoy all the queueing :(

Nice work Bob. That's quite respectable.

12.4 is still a excellent time. well done for even making the effort.

It won't stop now you've started and you'll become obsessed trying to get to that magic 10 second car :rofl:

 

Great result matey, a very respectable time :)

BTW a good idea to experiment with tyre pressure, higher on the front than standard then really drop the backs to get some bag in them and soften off the rear shocks to get some better launches.

 

I tended to find 18-19psi worked for me on the old silver car and about 36 on the fronts.

 

Two clicks from softest setting on the rear shocks gave it more bite

I know very little about drag racing or qtr miles, but I was pretty surprised to see 'only' a 12.4 time. Having watched too many Fast & Furious movies, I was convinced your car would be a '10 second car'. Which makes me ask, WTF do you have to do to a car to make it a sub-10 sec car? According to the movies you need to paint it orange, I think that'll knock another second off your time.

 

What time are you expecting once you've mastered the launches Bob? Any predictions?

 

Good effort though.

It won't stop now you've started and you'll become obsessed trying to get to that magic 10 second car :rofl:

 

Great result matey, a very respectable time :)

 

If i wanna do a ten second I'll just roll my ZX10R out lol

 

I know very little about drag racing or qtr miles, but I was pretty surprised to see 'only' a 12.4 time. Having watched too many Fast & Furious movies, I was convinced your car would be a '10 second car'. Which makes me ask, WTF do you have to do to a car to make it a sub-10 sec car? According to the movies you need to paint it orange, I think that'll knock another second off your time.

 

What time are you expecting once you've mastered the launches Bob? Any predictions?

 

Good effort though.

 

I believe the 'car' is capable of low 11 seconds but I seriously doubt whether I am :) To then go any faster eg 10 seconds I would think we're talking very expensive sequential gearbox or automatic perhaps.

 

I'm still all about the handling but if I can get a respectable 1/4 mile and the car in good form I believe will be competetive at TOTB next year :) The main thing is I'm enjoying myself and learning at the same time.

ill race you down the strip big bob :-) whens the next event?

i used to campain a 77 trans-am in my past life running cage.slicks the works and had the worked big block running 600bhp on open headers:w00t:...the main objective and problem was traction not horse power. The fast guys a lot of the times had less power but better chassis and resulting in better times..IIRC i only had about 10psi in my rears and rear shocks so soft the ass was dragging,it was trailed to events so was set up very soft and wide:wink: With drag racing as a lot of people in this club know low times only come with practice and not just power..

ill race you down the strip big bob :-) whens the next event?

 

I'll let you know :)

 

i used to campain a 77 trans-am in my past life running cage.slicks the works and had the worked big block running 600bhp on open headers:w00t:...the main objective and problem was traction not horse power. The fast guys a lot of the times had less power but better chassis and resulting in better times..IIRC i only had about 10psi in my rears and rear shocks so soft the ass was dragging,it was trailed to events so was set up very soft and wide:wink: With drag racing as a lot of people in this club know low times only come with practice and not just power..

 

Dead right and my car is set up as a fast road car and is a massive compromise in every way. Add a few kinks in the strip and it becomes a sprint where mine would do better. The zed has aquitted itself well as a road car at the strip IMO even considering my own inexperience at the 1/4 mile.

 

As a matter of interest there were three crashes of one type or another on Sunday so whether the track was a factor or the rain I don't know but I believe it did affect times generally.

I'll let you know :)

 

 

 

Dead right and my car is set up as a fast road car and is a massive compromise in every way. Add a few kinks in the strip and it becomes a sprint where mine would do better. The zed has aquitted itself well as a road car at the strip IMO even considering my own inexperience at the 1/4 mile.

 

As a matter of interest there were three crashes of one type or another on Sunday so whether the track was a factor or the rain I don't know but I believe it did affect times generally.

 

used to make me laugh when the newbies turned the corner and lined up for a burn out,dropped the clutch and smoked em no problem and sat there in a haze of blue smoke thinking they had arrived...crept up to the stage,hit the limiters and dropped the clutch and just stood there not moving:rofl::rofl:..stiff road cars make terrible drag cars no matter how much power you have:winkiss:

Brill time that 12.4 is what I was doing in the scoob but terminal speed at 111mph how does that work lol. you most have some power to do a 12.4 in a zed mate respect:-)

Was looking on a few websites, they seemed to suggest the Zed will do the standing qtr in 14-15 secs depending on year and model (TT's obviously). Does that sound right? Doesn't seem to be a lot of gain for all that extra power? Has anyone got a time for a more conservatively tuned car, about 300bhp etc?

 

Do you have any idea of sprint times Bob 0-60, 0-100 etc? Maybe that would be a better bench mark for me to understand how quick your car is?

 

Also, are you using any ECU trickery to launch, or is it done by your right foot (or possibly a combination of both of these).

I read the same a zed tt is about 14 15 secs, its the weight that is the problem over a quarter of a mile mate.

 

Even just to gain 0.1 of a second can cost a fortune lol

 

Mark

With drag racing as a lot of people in this club know low times only come with practice and not just power..

 

Although not into Drag racing got to agree 100%

 

Remember years ago regularly visiting Mike Feeney when he was national drag champion in Ratz and he used to have a programme/game of reaction to the xmas tree that he was always using in an attempt to shapen his reactions

Was looking on a few websites, they seemed to suggest the Zed will do the standing qtr in 14-15 secs depending on year and model (TT's obviously). Does that sound right? Doesn't seem to be a lot of gain for all that extra power? Has anyone got a time for a more conservatively tuned car, about 300bhp etc?

 

Do you have any idea of sprint times Bob 0-60, 0-100 etc? Maybe that would be a better bench mark for me to understand how quick your car is?

 

Also, are you using any ECU trickery to launch, or is it done by your right foot (or possibly a combination of both of these).

 

I don't have clue about those times really though my first top speed run at TOTB hit around 170 mph from a standing start over 1 kilometre (that's when I burnt out the spark plug as all times after were quite a lot lower). At the strip I am not using launch control or traction control (though I have both installed) as I'm trying to learn the craft.

 

The terminal speed is more an indicator of power and shows the car's potential for a 1/4 mile time but much as I'd like to improve I'm not going to modify the car to better those times and will have to rely on launch and faster gear changes.

what power are you running mate?

 

mark:-)

Was looking on a few websites, they seemed to suggest the Zed will do the standing qtr in 14-15 secs depending on year and model (TT's obviously). Does that sound right? Doesn't seem to be a lot of gain for all that extra power? Has anyone got a time for a more conservatively tuned car, about 300bhp etc?

 

Do you have any idea of sprint times Bob 0-60, 0-100 etc? Maybe that would be a better bench mark for me to understand how quick your car is?

 

Also, are you using any ECU trickery to launch, or is it done by your right foot (or possibly a combination of both of these).

 

There are two ways to understand how blisteringly quick and powerful Bobs car is....

One is to see it in action on the strip.

The other is to go out in your own car whatever it is with an observer and do some tests..........

From a standing start using a stopwatch/GPS etc time how long it takes you to get to 128mph. At the same time or on a separate run down the same stretch of level road measure how far you have traveled when you are doing 128mph.

There are two ways to understand how blisteringly quick and powerful Bobs car is....

One is to see it in action on the strip.

The other is to go out in your own car whatever it is with an observer and do some tests..........

From a standing start using a stopwatch/GPS etc time how long it takes you to get to 128mph. At the same time or on a separate run down the same stretch of level road measure how far you have traveled when you are doing 128mph.

 

I really need to go to Bruntingthorpe and have a go there I think! I also need a GPS system as I don't think my speedometer is very accurate. I wasn't being dismissive of Bob's times, but its difficult to comprehend for someone who's not familiar with the strip and 1/4 miles.

 

Anyway, after a little digging I found these times which have helped me to put into context how quick Bob's car is. These times were allegedly compiled by European car magazines such as Autocar etc. Its not a like for like comparison these times are 0-200 kilometers (pretty much Bob's terminal speed give or take 3 mph), but it helped me.

 

Carrera GT - 10.2

Enzo - 10.3

SLR - 10.7

F430 - 12.2

996 GT2 - 12.4

Murcialago - 12.5

SL65 AMG - 12.6

M6 - 12.8

996 TT ‘S’ (450HP) - 13.1*

Gallardo - 13.3*

SL 600 - 13.5

996 TT (420HP) - 13.7*

CL65 AMG - 13.8

Viper SRT-10 - 13.8

SL-55 AMG - 13.8

E60 M5 - 13.9

E55 AMG - 14.6

996 GT3 - 14.8

A/M Vanquish- 15.3

CLS55 AMG - 15.4

997 C2S (2005) - 16.0

Z8 - 16.1

360 Modena - 16.1

M3 CSL - 16.7

Bentley Continental GT- 16.7*

SLK55 AMG - 16.8

E46 M3 Coupe - 16.8

E39 M5 - 16.9

C32 AMG - 16.9

Z06 (2001 model - 385 HP) - 17.0

Masariati Cambiocorsa - 17.0

996 C2S - 17.3

545i - 17.9

2001 M Roadster (315 HP) - 18.1

2002 Honda NSX-R - 18.2

CLK55 AMG - 18.7

Audi RS6 Sedan - 18.7*

Audi S4 Sedan - 19.9*

2005 Boxster S - 19.9

Dodge Ram SRT-10- 21.0

 

So, as you can see, Bob's motor is right up there with the Lambos and Porsches anf Fezzas. If he hits his 'perfect' time then he'll be well into Supercar territory, which is what I would have expected tbh. Not shabby at all! Of course, you have to remember these times were obtained in different conditions, but it certainly helped me to put 0-128 in 12.4s into context!

A fully weighted Z would have to be around 800-900hp to have a chance a hitting sub 10. The above cars are lightweight super cars so can do it with a lot less. Once you get to Bobs times, it may take double the power even to knock of a second. The law of diminishing returns. I have seen GTRs with 1.5khp only 9s.

Incidentally what power is Bob running because I ran a 501hp (420RWHP) fully weighted TT up there and best time was 13.0 dead.

A fully weighted Z would have to be around 800-900hp to have a chance a hitting sub 10. The above cars are lightweight super cars so can do it with a lot less. Once you get to Bobs times, it may take double the power even to knock of a second. The law of diminishing returns. I have seen GTRs with 1.5khp only 9s.

Incidentally what power is Bob running because I ran a 501hp (420RWHP) fully weighted TT up there and best time was 13.0 dead.

 

With the exception of the SLR, what you're saying is correct - most of those cars weigh less than a satandard Zed. But the SLR has an auto gearbox which probably makes up for its lardy-arse-ness and meagre (580-ish) power output.

 

Bob's Zed is a SWB Slicky pushing well over 600bhp, so you would expect it to be on level terms with even the really exotic cars of this world (unmodified ones, that is). Have a look in the dyno section for his last dyno session result.

 

If you only ran a 13 sec qtr mile with 500bhp, how on earth can it be possible for a stock car to do it in 14secs? I know you said diminishing returns but thats crazy.

My NA with a carbon bucket seat and stock rear tyres holds the record for fastest NA LWB pulling a 14.7 quarter with a 97mph top speed. That's without nitrous, jim only bettered it by .2 with nitrous on when it ran like crap.

 

You'd be suprised when you get to that sort of level how hard it is to knock .2 of a second off!

 

I went from 15.4 with a fully laden car and fat tyres, stripped out the counterweight and rear wiper motor, spare wheel, rear bench and seats and went for a carbon seat and after that hovered between 14.7 - 15.2

 

To get down to 10 seconds from 12.8 it's asking alot. Ratz was running a high 8 second quarter mile but that was 7.2 litres, nitrous and supercharger and weighed bugger all.

 

If that weighed as much as a stock 300zx z32 it'd probably be running 11-12s

My NA with a carbon bucket seat and stock rear tyres holds the record for fastest NA LWB pulling a 14.7 quarter with a 97mph top speed. That's without nitrous, jim only bettered it by .2 with nitrous on when it ran like crap.

 

You'd be suprised when you get to that sort of level how hard it is to knock .2 of a second off!

 

I went from 15.4 with a fully laden car and fat tyres, stripped out the counterweight and rear wiper motor, spare wheel, rear bench and seats and went for a carbon seat and after that hovered between 14.7 - 15.2

 

To get down to 10 seconds from 12.8 it's asking alot. Ratz was running a high 8 second quarter mile but that was 7.2 litres, nitrous and supercharger and weighed bugger all.

 

If that weighed as much as a stock 300zx z32 it'd probably be running 11-12s

 

My N/A Fully weighted ran 14.6. Stripping it out as you said may of given me .2 advantage but thats all. The TT I ran 13.0 was very heavy with 19/285 wheels. I did expect high twelves though.

 

Did you beat Petes times by the way?

With the exception of the SLR, what you're saying is correct - most of those cars weigh less than a satandard Zed. But the SLR has an auto gearbox which probably makes up for its lardy-arse-ness and meagre (580-ish) power output.

 

Bob's Zed is a SWB Slicky pushing well over 600bhp, so you would expect it to be on level terms with even the really exotic cars of this world (unmodified ones, that is). Have a look in the dyno section for his last dyno session result.

 

If you only ran a 13 sec qtr mile with 500bhp, how on earth can it be possible for a stock car to do it in 14secs? I know you said diminishing returns but thats crazy.

 

 

again it was 13.0 dead, that is a huge difference than 14. My N/A ran 14.5 against it when it ran 13.0. Although my N/A led the first 1/8, the TT shot passed it like it was standing still. At 100mph+ 1 sec is a huge gap.