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(a)subject to sub-paragraph (b) and, where the red signal is shown at the same time as the green arrow signal, to sub-paragraphs (f) and (g), the red signal shall convey the prohibition that vehicular traffic shall not proceed beyond the stop line;. (b)when a vehicle is being used for fire brigade, ambulance, bomb or explosive disposal, national blood service or police purposes and the observance of the prohibition conveyed by the red signal in accordance with sub-paragraph (a) would be likely to hinder the use of that vehicle for the purpose for which it is being used, then sub-paragraph (a) shall not apply to the vehicle, and the red signal shall convey the prohibition that that vehicle shall not proceed beyond the stop line in a manner or at a time likely to endanger any person or to cause the driver of any vehicle proceeding in accordance with the indications of light signals operating in association with the signals displaying the red signal to change its speed or course in order to avoid an accident;. Exactly my point, this is basically saying that the emergency vehicle should treat the lights as a give way, but if you have an RTC doing it then watch out, this is not saying that the emergency services have a legal right to drive through a red light, it is in fact stating the opposite, that it should stop behind the stop line. Vehicle control and right-of-way All drivers shall attempt to maintain control of the vehicle that they are operating in such a manner as to provide the maximum level of safety for both their passengers and the general public. Emergency vehicle drivers should be aware that the civilian vehicle operators may not react in the manner in which is expected or felt to be appropriate. An attempt should be made to have options available when passing or overtaking vehicles. If another vehicle operator fails to yield the right of way to an emergency vehicle, the emergency vehicle driver can not force the right of way, nor can you assume the right of way, therefore you do not have the right of way until the other vehicle yields to you. The emergency vehicle driver shall be aware of his/her rate of closure on other vehicles and pedestrians at all times to make sure that a safe following distance is established and maintained. All drivers shall follow the rule for safe following distance and allow 1 second of following distance for every 10 feet of vehicle length for speeds under 40 mph and add 1 additional second for each 10 mph for speeds over 40 mph. 4. Response speeds When responding to a true emergency only, drivers shall operate the vehicle they are driving at as close to the posted speed limit as possible, but not to exceed ten (10) miles per hour over the posted speed limit, conditions permitting. Examples of conditions requiring slower response speeds include but are not limited to; • slippery road conditions • inclement weather • poor visibility • heavy or congested traffic conditions • sharp curves 4 5. Intersection Practices Extreme care should be taken when approaching any intersection as intersections are the locations responsible for a large percentage of major accidents involving emergency vehicles. Drivers are required to practice the organizations intersection operating guidelines during all emergency responses. Uncontrolled intersections Any intersection that does not offer a control device (stop sign, yield or traffic signal) in the direction of travel of the emergency vehicle or where a traffic control signal is green upon the approach of the emergency vehicle all emergency vehicle drivers should do the following: • Scan the intersection for possible hazards (right turns on red, pedestrians, vehicles traveling fast, etc.). Observe traffic in all 4 directions (left, right, front, rear) • Slow down if any potential hazards are detected and cover the brake pedal with the drivers foot. • Change the siren cadence not less than 200’ from intersection • Avoid using the opposing lane of traffic if at all possible. Emergency vehicle drivers should always be prepared to stop. If another vehicle operator fails to yield the right of way to an emergency vehicle, the emergency vehicle driver can not force the right of way, nor can you assume the right of way, therefore you do not have the right of way until the other vehicle yields to you. Controlled intersections Any intersection controlled by a stop sign, yield sign, yellow traffic light or a red traffic light requires a complete stop by the emergency vehicle driver. In addition to bringing the vehicle to a complete stop these additional steps must be followed as well; • Do not rely on warning devices to clear traffic • Scan the intersection for possible hazards (right turns on red, pedestrians, vehicles traveling fast etc.) as well as driver options • Begin to slow down well before reaching the intersection and cover the brake pedal with the drivers foot, continue to scan in 4 directions (left, right, front,, back) • Change the siren cadence not less than 200; from intersection • Scan intersection for possible passing options (pass on right, left, wait, etc.) avoid using the opposing lane of traffic if at all possible • Come to a complete stop • Establish eye contact with other vehicle drivers; have partner communicate all is clear; reconfirm all other vehicles are stopped • Proceed one lane of traffic at a time treating each lane of traffic as a separate intersection

Nice here too, hope it stops for you down there mate.....

In that case, your brother in law should know that it is not a legal right for an emergency vehicle of whatever shape or form to go through a red light. With the Fire, Police and Ambulance services, it is courtesy, if it were a relative of yours that was being burgled, or their house was on fire, or god forbid a medical emergency, you would like the various different vehicles to arrive as quick as possible, yes, so traffic moves over for an emegency vehicle, and they go through red lights, but they do not have a legal right to go through that red light. I am repeating myself now, believe whatever you like, I know this is right........:angel:

:tt2:Oh well, it got a good debate going anyway.....lol.....:tt2:

Yeah, and being an ex-paramedic, they would probably tell me I could have revived them.....lol:tt2::tt2:

I think it may change soon, but you cannot take the queen or the crown to court, and as the royal mail is deemed as the queens mail, who would you take to court? As I say, I don't make the laws, it may stem back for a very long time, but I think you would have a big fight on your hands if it ever did happen, but as we all know that the royal mail abide by the same rules as we all do, I doubt very much it will happen. It's just like all the legal loopholes in the law, such as caliberation of speeding equipment used by a police officer, if it hasn't been caliberated the day of use, it is not admissible in court.....I wouldn't make something like this up, what would be the point?......:happybday:

No, just because they are allowed to treat a red light as a giveway does not mean that they are allowed by law to go through that red light!! If they were involved in a RTC whilst going through that red light, it would be their fault, it is only a courtesy that allows them to go through, not the law, the only vehicle LEGALLY allowed to go through a red light is a ROYAL MAIL vehicle, please look it up on ask.com or wherever you like, sorry, I don't make the law, I just abide by it.

By the way, I think you are right, they are not allowed through READ lights, just red ones........lol......:tt2:

Believe what you like....lol, I know that technically a Royal Mail vehicle is the only vehicle allowed to drive legally through a red light, it was taught to us by the police on the police advanced driving course, can't see any reason why they would lie, can you?.........As I stated before, just because you don't see it happen, doesn't mean the rule isn't there. Royal Mail are exempt from many of the rules of the road. Also they do not need a road fund licence! Seems to me that a lot of people have read this thread, and have enjoyed reading it, so you're in the minority, if you think it's pointless, don't read or respond to it!!! I am not forcing you to.......:devil: ......:whistling:

If it's any easier for you ck300z, I could come over to Chester as well, it's not too far from me.

Just because you don't see it happen, doesn't mean that the rule isn't there. You will find also that horses have more rights whilst using the roads than a car does. If a Royal Mail van was to go through a red set of lights right under a police officers nose, technically, the police would not have the authority to stop it. Ask your local police officer. I don't see what was so stupid about it.:thumbdown:

Sorry, emergency vehicles do not have the legal right to pass through a red set of traffic lights, if they had an accident going through a red light, it would be their fault. This was one of the first things taught to us on the police emergency advanced driving course, therefore it was a police officer teaching us.....:no:

You don't have to travel as far as Alcantara mate, I'm sure there must be places in Telford.........:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Yep, we did mate......lol:tt2:

Nice one buddy, that's really nice, welcome to the club.......:punk:

I have to agree with takemetothepub, it is very easy to get accussed of racism these days, and I would leave out the ethnicity subject.......:no:

If it does have to be that long, look at this see what you think, all I's corrected......lol: - Dear Sir or Madam, I am writing in regards to my current position within the company. My name is Jonathan Stock I am currently a member of the agency staff (scol) and I work on the Night shift (10pm-6:00 am) at your Coventry Distribution Centre and have done so for the past 8 to 9 months. Upon starting work for the company, I was advised that the criteria for a full time contract is as follows :- Performance ( target pick rate being 108 an hour) Attendance Attitude 13 Weeks Probation period In regards to the above, I have been employed by your company for 8 to 9 months, and as much as I am enjoying working for the company I am still trying to understand why I have not been offered a full time contract? I had a conversation with my duty manager Mr. Jas Sandhu before Christmas week, and he advised me verbally that I would be offered a contract very soon as long as I sorted out my attendance! My attendance is at 100%. I have never taken a day off sick since I started working for you, so I am unsure where he obtained this information about my attendance, maybe he has been mistaken, however I was happy to hear that I would be offered a contract soon. It is now the middle of February 2011 and at least 9 contracts have been awarded to people, some of whom have been with the company less time than I have, and also to some employees who have had days off sick. Four of the 9 are couples ( either wife and husband or boyfriend/girlfriend ) and also of Latvian or other European ethnicity. which I have nothing against in principle, I do believe in equal opportunities but I and some of my work colleagues feel that favouritism maybe a factor here. At work I don’t have much time to talk to management, I arrive at work, and do the job I was hired to do. It sometimes feels like the management don’t know I exist, especially on the day contracts are being awarded, and I am a little confused as to why I still don’t have a full time contract. I thought maybe due to the fact I don’t speak much to management I had better go and speak to the manager on duty and enquire as to what I’m doing wrong and why I am not being offered a contract. This brings me to today's shift. I spoke to the manager on duty Mr. Jas Sandhu and advised him of the above and explained how long I have been with the company etc. He advised me that my team leader Matt Smith my assistant team leader Kelly Ben and himself would sit and have a chat to me about it and that I would hear my name called over the tannoy system at some point during the shift. I was very pleased to hear this and went back to my work. The whole shift passed and my name was not called, and no-one spoke to me at the end of my shift to advise me why my meeting with management was cancelled. There was a fire drill half way through the shift, but I’m sure the manager on duty was well aware this was going to take place and if it was going to be an issue he wouldn’t have arranged the meeting. As far as I am aware I meet all the criteria for a permanent contract, unless the criteria has changed, but surely I would have been informed if this were the case, but I have not. My attendance as mentioned is 100%. My performance is 108 per hour or above over the week. I know that other people may be achieving a higher pick rate than I, but as far as I was aware it is not a competition and as long as the target of 108 or above is being achieved that this is acceptable. However my performance is consistent. My attitude towards staff and colleagues is more than satisfactory, and this can be confirmed by my assistant team leader Kelly Ben, as she is the person I have come into contact with the most out of all the management staff. Basically this all boils down to the following question :- What can I do to improve so that i will be considered for a permanent contract? I appreciate how busy your department is, but I would appreciate an answer as soon as possible, so that I may make the appropriate changes in the way I work. Please don’t take this a complaint, I am merely asking the criteria for receiving a full time contract, in order that I may achieve this goal. As I have already mentioned, I very much enjoy working for your Coventry depot and would like the chance to advance my career within this company. Thank you for taking the time to read this letter. Yours Faithfully Jonathan Stock

Cool, I really hope he gets to keep it, it looks very nice, what were his local garage going to fit, a solid gold gearbox?.....:no:

Fookin hell Mikey, that open??? :devil2:

In wine there is the truth.....lol, yep, roughly translates to a drunken man tells no lies.......:oops:

Although I would say that all my knowledge is useless.....lol...:punk:

lol, not had much luck there then mate.....lol.....:oops:

lol, I'm in another car club, Merseyside Classic Wheels, it's a long story, but been in it for years. Anyway, it was our club meeting last Monday night, and the pub had decided to hold a quizz, cut a long story short, we came second and won a tenner........lol.....:tt2:

No sorry, the ambulance carries the crown as it's badge, but it's not leagally allowed to go through red lights......:detective:

Yes Sir Charles, I think any vehicle that carries the crown as it badge is tax exempt.....Do you know that the great treain robbers got so long in prison, not because they had stolen the money from the train, but also because they had held up a Royal Mail train, and it stems back to the days that "the mail must go through". They made an example out of them to anyone else thinking of doing the same thing........:oops: