300zx club second referendum on Brexit. Are you in or out?

No confidence vote triggered so its a big day for the prime minster and the UK. I vote to keep Theresa May.

No confidence vote triggered so its a big day for the prime minster and the UK. I vote to keep Theresa May.

 

That woman will never get my vote. Those who know my profession will know why.

 

Yep, the timing sucks, can’t disagree with that. But she needs to go.

 

As for the poll, I voted leave because of some of the points around the undemocratic power of the European Council, but also as I saw it as an opportunity. It could have been an opportunity to forge relationships outside of the EU on our own terms, but due to the obvious incompetence of the petulant idiots that run this country, I now believe that those opportunities have been lost.

 

We were too hasty to invoke A50 and should have waited until WE had our shit sorted out, not because we were pressured into it. I have no faith in our government being able to agree a proper deal with the EU, never mind any future deals with the world wide community. At this point in time, should a second referendum come about, I’d vote remain purely down to Having zero confidence in the U.K. government

I originally voted to leave but the government have royally cocked everything up.

 

She needs to go and maybe the time is now and hopefully we can save the situation.

That woman will never get my vote. Those who know my profession will know why.

 

Yep, the timing sucks, can’t disagree with that. But she needs to go.

 

As for the poll, I voted leave because of some of the points around the undemocratic power of the European Council, but also as I saw it as an opportunity. It could have been an opportunity to forge relationships outside of the EU on our own terms, but due to the obvious incompetence of the petulant idiots that run this country, I now believe that those opportunities have been lost.

 

We were too hasty to invoke A50 and should have waited until WE had our shit sorted out, not because we were pressured into it. I have no faith in our government being able to agree a proper deal with the EU, never mind any future deals with the world wide community. At this point in time, should a second referendum come about, I’d vote remain purely down to Having zero confidence in the U.K. government

 

I originally voted to leave but the government have royally cocked everything up.

 

She needs to go and maybe the time is now and hopefully we can save the situation.

 

So who would you guys replace her with?

Miss Piggy comes to mind.

 

So who would you guys replace her with?

So who would you guys replace her with?

 

Probably Javid

Javid, Boris or May. Time will tell and Miss Peggy is far to temperamental mate.

I want Sir Alan Sugar as PM........ He would at least tell it how it is and possibly fire some muppets!!!!!!!

Or even Harry Rednapp........ lol

I want Sir Alan Sugar as PM........ He would at least tell it how it is and possibly fire some muppets!!!!!!!

Or even Harry Rednapp........ lol

 

Com on Russ these are serious times :thumbdown: What about Richard Branson :devil2:

May will win the vote. :sweatdrop:

No confidence vote triggered so its a big day for the prime minster and the UK. I vote to keep Theresa May.

 

So do I....

 

….Whether or not you voted for Brexit (and remember Theresa May herself voted remain), the fact is, the majority voted leave. It would be futile for any government or leader to renege on that - and Theresa may has put her own personal view aside, to honour the will of the people. That's what she was elected to do - therefore she must be permitted to deliver Brexit.

 

Besides, the last thing this country needs right now is another general election, further instability, or heaven forbid, that idiot Corbyn in Downing Street. At the very least, people should get behind Theresa May to prevent Corbyn getting in via the back door - if he does, we'd all be better off emigrating for sure.....:oops:

So do I....

 

….Whether or not you voted for Brexit (and remember Theresa May herself voted remain), the fact is, the majority voted leave. It would be futile for any government or leader to renege on that - and Theresa may has put her own personal view aside, to honour the will of the people. That's what she was elected to do - therefore she must be permitted to deliver Brexit.

 

Besides, the last thing this country needs right now is another general election, further instability, or heaven forbid, that idiot Corbyn in Downing Street. At the very least, people should get behind Theresa May to prevent Corbyn getting in via the back door - if he does, we'd all be better off emigrating for sure.....:oops:

 

Wise words Richard.

Wise words Richard.

 

Thanks Gary - serious times make for serious thoughts. Whatever people think of Theresa May, she remains the country's best hope at the moment. Let her do her job, get the UK through a rough transition, and then cast your vote at the appropriate time.

 

Let's be honest, there's not a single one of us here, who could do that job remotely as well right now - if there were, they'd be there doing it. It's not the X-Factor FFS, it's real life - it's serious - leave running the country to those who can. Let them get the job finished and pop your "x" on the appropriate piece of paper when the time is right.....:wink:

the fact is, the majority voted leave. It would be futile for any government or leader to renege on that

 

This is true, however it was two years ago. A lot has changed since then and maybe a lot of people have changed their minds. There is nothing wrong with giving people another vote, giving them another chance to change their choice in either direction. We are all human and change our minds over everything. The media has whipped this up into such a polarised subject that being in the middle or changing your mind is considered wrong, you must be for or against which is wrong. I say have another referendum with three options:

 

1) Accept mrs Mays deal

2) Refuse her deal, but still leave

3) Refuse deal, cancel brexit and remain

 

I know what I would do. We have spent more on brexit than EU membership cost us in 2017:

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-22/u-k-brexit-hit-already-exceeds-eu-budget-payments-study-shows

 

Not to mention the drop in GDP since the referendum. We were the highest growing GDP nation after the financial crash in the G8, after the referendum we actually lost GDP while the other nations were still increasing. If we have a hard brexit, by 2030 the UK could have lost 10% of its GDP. Our current GDP is $2.6 trillion, so 10% is $2.6bn. GDP per capita for 2017 was $39,720. So as normal people we could see at least a 10% drop in that (although poorer people, like us see more), so every year we would be about £3000 per person per year worse off just from brexit. You can already see the changes, things cost more than ever, wages are lower than ever

 

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/07/10/higher-inflation-lower-wages-and-decreasing-output-brexit-is-starting-to-negatively-affect-the-uk-economy/

 

I am by no means an expert, this is just an amalgamation of facts I can find on the internet, admittedly all with slightly different numbers. If anyone understand economics better, please can you explain?

Two years ago :ohmy: Forgot it was that long and its time to stop pussy footing around the EU. The EU is dying just leave and watch it crumble.

This is true, however it was two years ago. A lot has changed since then and maybe a lot of people have changed their minds. There is nothing wrong with giving people another vote, giving them another chance to change their choice in either direction. We are all human and change our minds over everything. The media has whipped this up into such a polarised subject that being in the middle or changing your mind is considered wrong, you must be for or against which is wrong. I say have another referendum with three options:

 

1) Accept mrs Mays deal

2) Refuse her deal, but still leave

3) Refuse deal, cancel brexit and remain

 

I know what I would do. We have spent more on brexit than EU membership cost us in 2017:

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-22/u-k-brexit-hit-already-exceeds-eu-budget-payments-study-shows

 

Not to mention the drop in GDP since the referendum. We were the highest growing GDP nation after the financial crash in the G8, after the referendum we actually lost GDP while the other nations were still increasing. If we have a hard brexit, by 2030 the UK could have lost 10% of its GDP. Our current GDP is $2.6 trillion, so 10% is $2.6bn. GDP per capita for 2017 was $39,720. So as normal people we could see at least a 10% drop in that (although poorer people, like us see more), so every year we would be about £3000 per person per year worse off just from brexit. You can already see the changes, things cost more than ever, wages are lower than ever

 

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/07/10/higher-inflation-lower-wages-and-decreasing-output-brexit-is-starting-to-negatively-affect-the-uk-economy/

 

I am by no means an expert, this is just an amalgamation of facts I can find on the internet, admittedly all with slightly different numbers. If anyone understand economics better, please can you explain?

 

In simple terms the markets hate uncertainty, current process is nothing but uncertainty. There sat on thier hands at present. Once a fixed out come has been devised, no matter what it is there will almost certainly be growth.

Also economics isn’t a science, it’s educated gambling. If it were as easy to predict as the weather we’d all be rich. Instead it’s full of complex human factors and fluctuations. This is why they generally are quite pessimistic even when thier positive because they have to hedge thier bets thier wrong.

In simple terms the markets hate uncertainty, current process is nothing but uncertainty. There sat on thier hands at present. Once a fixed out come has been devised, no matter what it is there will almost certainly be growth.

Completely true. This has never happened in the world before. There are so many unknowns it boggles the mind!

 

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Oh no I'm back on my soap box

 

People forget that whilst 17 million said yes to Brexit 16 million said no.

 

Personally I think we have voted for 10 hard years with a maybe at the end of it when we finally stabilize as a country.

In my opinion there were 2 irrefutable facts about Brexit

 

1 The two people best placed to understand what would happen, Cameron and Johnson were head to head so no one actually knew what the effect would be

2 The pound would slide in value against the dollar due to the uncertainty, crude oil is priced in dollars so fuel prices would go up. We make very little in the UK and import loads, transport cost go up so we voted for price rises on nearly everything.

 

We then wasted a year stating we would dictate to 27 other countries what they would do, which of course didn't happen.

If you want an example of how powerful the EU is economically Trump was talking about sanctions and trade wars, Jean Claude Juncker has a meeting with him and European sanctions strangely fall off the table. The US may well be the worlds largest economy ( occasionally depending on exchange rates China does take that crown), but combined the EU is over 3 times larger that the US economically.

 

I can't help but think we've fallen into a " grass is greener" trap.

 

I voted to remain, but I respect the democratic process so I will of course go along with the leave vote.

 

However there was a lot of talk about the people being able to decide when we had the referendum, yet now there is a lot of talk about how we can't have a second one.

 

Cameron held the referendum because he was sure he would win and of course he lost, you have to ask why prominent politicians now refuse to hold a second one when 2 years have passed and a great deal more information has come to light. Is it that the people are now not able to decide?

 

I would personally like to see a second vote but I don't believe we will.

 

My prediction is Brexit will be delayed, the EU will stand by their no further negotiation stance, we will eventually sign on the dotted line in 2020, the Conservatives will crash out in the general election and Labour will be left with an impossible task. The country will lag behind in economic growth for the next 10 years and I suspect that in my lifetime I will see us re apply to join Europe

 

I'm not trying to poke the bear here or wind anyone up that's just how I see it

In simple terms the markets hate uncertainty, current process is nothing but uncertainty. There sat on thier hands at present. Once a fixed out come has been devised, no matter what it is there will almost certainly be growth.

 

Also economics isn’t a science, it’s educated gambling. If it were as easy to predict as the weather we’d all be rich. Instead it’s full of complex human factors and fluctuations. This is why they generally are quite pessimistic even when thier positive because they have to hedge thier bets thier wrong.

 

Completely true. This has never happened in the world before. There are so many unknowns it boggles the mind!

 

Sent from some app that I don't know how to use!

 

Yes, yes and yes.....:wink:

.........…..My prediction is Brexit will be delayed, the EU will stand by their no further negotiation stance, we will eventually sign on the dotted line in 2020, the Conservatives will crash out in the general election and Labour will be left with an impossible task. The country will lag behind in economic growth for the next 10 years and I suspect that in my lifetime I will see us re apply to join Europe

 

I'm not trying to poke the bear here or wind anyone up that's just how I see it

 

You may be right mate...… Nonetheless, the two key points I have emboldened, would go hand-in-hand - irrespective of Brexit! If Corbyn becomes PM the UK economy will suffer a serious setback. He will return the UK to the basket-case economy of the 1970s - and then some!

 

Whatever we may think about how Brexit should be handled, we seriously cannot let that idiot anywhere near Number 10 - not even to take the bins out. He'd make a mess of that too for sure...:wink:

The thing with Corbyn is he was a joke, voted in almost as a protest vote and I believe because no seriously thought he would ever be PM.

Then he fought with his own party who tried to push him out - and won.

He tamed his MPs and bought them into line.

He started out as Michael Foot and is slowly turning into Tony Blair. The man is very clever and becoming a real politician.

Anyone who can change and stay alive to the political degree he has is a dangerous opponent.

People write him off and he could genuinely come from nowhere if we aren't careful.

My personal beliefs have always been slightly to the right of centre and consequently almost always vote conservative.

A hang up from growing up with Thatcher and believing as she said that everyone can and should achieve.

I appreciate that's a very devisive comment and again I don't mean to upset people but it made sense to me.

I also appreciate I live in the South and she took the unions on and as a consequence decimated industry in the North.

Now here's the strange part my business became successful under Tony Blairs Labour Government and David Cameron's Government actively attacked it ( I'm a professional Landlord)

But Blair's ideas were slightly left of centre and Cameron's were slightly right.

Now we find ourselves in the dangerous situation of the two choices for a ruling party being far right and far left.

In my opinion both the leaders are driven by ego and stubbornness and as a country we are in real danger of being mislead for the next 4 to 6 years.

We need a hung parliament to mitigate this so be very careful who you vote for and why next time because more than ever it will be important.

I was listening to two MP's being interviewed yesterday and they were discussing how they were going to vote in upcoming debate. The conservative one said she wanted to see what was offered and hoped there were options predented. The labour one said she had a constituency full of remainers so would always vote against any deal. Now, to, she is missing the point. She is just trying to rerun the referendum. Surely she should be working with to achieve the best result for the whole country seing as we've had a referendum and that that result was leave

The issue being, whatever part of the line you're now sitting, what was offered at the referendum is very different to what the potential likely outcome will be.

 

As part of a democratic society, irrespective of which standpoint you're on, a poll for a number of options which are NOW available is very much a democratic thing to do.

 

What was sold on both sides of the table two years ago was a crock.

 

Again, the British public were not informed enough to have been given the vote on something so utterly technical. We put out faith in elected politicians do that......and hell, they can't even do it.

Perhaps the requirements for the job are to be both self centred and incompitent