Without wanting to start an argument here, Im just curious as to what people want to vote or if they haven't made up their minds.

I hardly picked out individuals. The news is all saying this vote was won on immigration. The country as a whole it seems has voted to close our borders despite the economic warnings. Some of them will be racists that didn't care about anything else, the figure of speech was saying that it was everyone

I hardly picked out individuals. The news is all saying this vote was won on immigration. The country as a whole it seems has voted to close our borders despite the economic warnings. Some of them will be racists that didn't care about anything else, the figure of speech was saying that it was everyone

 

As someone who voted "Out" you therefore picked me out as being a racist by your sweeping generalisation.

 

The same sort of generalisation, I might add, that has the media claiming that every person who voted "Out" did so because of immigration.

 

See where I'm going with this....?

Well alright 51.9% of them anyway

 

or just maybe 51.9% of people just want to keep the uk for british citizens whats so wrong with that? so you are saying if we choose to get out of the eu were racist and if we say were not?

All I was trying to say is that that's what it looks like to the outside world. We have blown away our international image of an inclusive society because of the insular vote. I think as a collective whole, that's what we now look like.

 

I don't see how that is calling every single person that ever even entertained the idea that they might vote out a racist.

 

Oh and I'm sure Scotland is off now. Not sure I could blame them really.

Not much talk about what northern Ireland will do, makes you wonder as they were fairly strong for remain.

 

I'm really cluttering this thread now, must stop!

All I was trying to say is that that's what it looks like to the outside world. We have blown away our international image of an inclusive society because of the insular vote. I think as a collective whole, that's what we now look like.

 

I don't see how that is calling every single person that ever even entertained the idea that they might vote out a racist.

 

Oh and I'm sure Scotland is off now. Not sure I could blame them really.

 

You don't see it? Really??

 

Not even when you stated that 51.9% of the UK are "insular, racist bigots"...?

 

You still can't see it?!

 

At no point did you state that that was how 51.9% of the population will be viewed by the rest of the world - you wrote it as being your view.

Erm yea probably a good time to remind you this is a car forum, not a bloody party conference. I didn't have my aid proof read it for me, I wrote it in a hurry whilst waiting for the water cooler. Sorry if I didn't quite manage to nail my speech spot on, wonder if the financial markets will ever forgive me

Besides, my "I don't see how" statement was relating to the text directly above it, not my earlier posts that I was trying to clarify

The attempt to clarify being an implicit admission that I can understand my earlier comments were not clear and could be taken the wrong way

Well alright 51.9% of them anyway

 

Your bang out of order Chris, perhaps even ignorant or naive to politics or the political discussion on Brexit... If you believe that everyone voted only on the issue of immigration then you are doing yourself a disservice to yourself as to why you came to your own decision.

 

My decision (out) and many others I shared that vote with, voiced many concerns on why we should leave the EU and immigration was just one of them.

 

The only bigotry is shown by those that cannot cope with an alternative viewpoint or opinion than there own and resort to labeling and insults to cover there inadequacies.

 

Feel for you mate, that out of all this your only concern is not actually for the Migrants nor Trading tariffs, authority of our own courts, imposition of laws and regulations from an un-elected body...no none of this, but how much your Zeds car parts may cost you!

Your bang out of order Chris, perhaps even ignorant or naive to politics or the political discussion on Brexit... If you believe that everyone voted only on the issue of immigration then you are doing yourself a disservice to yourself as to why you came to your own decision.

 

My decision (out) and many others I shared that vote with, voiced many concerns on why we should leave the EU and immigration was just one of them.

 

The only bigotry is shown by those that cannot cope with an alternative viewpoint or opinion than there own and resort to labeling and insults to cover there inadequacies.

 

Feel for you mate, that out of all this your only concern is not actually for the Migrants nor Trading tariffs, authority of our own courts, imposition of laws and regulations from an un-elected body...no none of this, but how much your Zeds car parts may cost you!

What the hell, this is ridiculous. I never said I believed that, I said that's what the news is reporting, which I think you'll find it is!

 

And what I'm not allowed to speculate about my own immediate personal impact? What the hell else am I supposed to do, the vote is over and now we've got to deal with the consequences. I can only deal with my own personal ones!

I don't want to start a war, but tell me if I get anything completely wrong.

 

Firstly, the pound tanked hard, 11% overnight. Whether or not this will stabilise or not is yet to be seen.

 

Secondly, though the UK voted to leave, three parts didn't: Scotland, Northern Ireland, (and Gibraltar). Scotland already held an independence referendum, and will likely want a second one because otherwise they've been dragged out of the EU against their will. They're much more likely to get it now. That's one of the four countries out of the United Kingdom. Northern Ireland also voted remain, and this has pushed the main party in the Republic of Ireland to suggest re-unification of Ireland as a whole. This would again mean Ireland leaving the UK at best, and at worst could re-start ahem, troubles. Gibraltar, tiny bit of land bordering Spain that is currently an English territory, voted to remain by a significant margin (~19,000/800 leave). This may now encourage Spain to lay claim to that land.

 

 

 

Thirdly, as part of the EU, Britain had a say in the creation of the policies within it. This included laws, levels of internal trade, levels of standards required for goods being traded and volumes each country can contribute to prevent the others creating a monopoly. Out of it the UK no longer has any say in any of the EU politics and will have a much smaller say in the world politics, but will still have to abide by whatever the EU says if it wants to trade with them.

 

Alot of big companies that rely on the free trade, will probably move out of UK, and the UK economy could/will be hurt pretty hard.

 

The UK has also lost international influence. As a member of the EU it had a say in how other countries were ran. Now it's just part of the commonwealth and a close ally of the USA. It is no longer as important as it was on an international level.

 

But it's not all bad. We finally "solved" our immigration problem. Yep. By voting leave all of the immigrants across the country have magically disappeared forever(!) Obvious sarcasm aside, this will actually do little to control immigration. For one, all non-EU migrants remain unaffected, all migrants currently here won't be deported, and this will not prevent further EU migration, it just means it's no longer automatic. It will also make it harder for Brits to travel to the EU.

 

In my opinion, I think the majority of people saw benefit street etc. And thought that immigrants are taking all our money, but immigrants bring alot more here than they take away.

 

And an interesting stat... 75% 18-25 y/o voted stay, its my future and I couldn't even vote :(

I don't want to start a war, but tell me if I get anything completely wrong.

 

Firstly, the pound tanked hard, 11% overnight. Whether or not this will stabilise or not is yet to be seen.

 

 

It will likely stabilise as markets recover from the shock, but we don't know how much and here lies the gamble. Exiting the EU is just that, a huge gamble. One that I certainly was not willing to vote for.

 

 

Thirdly, as part of the EU, Britain had a say in the creation of the policies within it. This included laws, levels of internal trade, levels of standards required for goods being traded and volumes each country can contribute to prevent the others creating a monopoly. Out of it the UK no longer has any say in any of the EU politics and will have a much smaller say in the world politics, but will still have to abide by whatever the EU says if it wants to trade with them.

 

 

This is correct, of the 2500 or something bills that the UK wanted, only about 50 of them were rejected, the UK got its say and got its way almost all of the time and don't let the likes of Farage with his bullish charm convince you otherwise - he's even renegading on some of the monetary arguments he used in the Leave Campaign. Mind you, a lot of language from both sides was rhetorical bull shit.

 

 

But it's not all bad. We finally "solved" our immigration problem. Yep. By voting leave all of the immigrants across the country have magically disappeared forever(!) Obvious sarcasm aside, this will actually do little to control immigration. For one, all non-EU migrants remain unaffected, all migrants currently here won't be deported, and this will not prevent further EU migration, it just means it's no longer automatic. It will also make it harder for Brits to travel to the EU.

 

Sarcasm aside - we will still have an immigration issue - the issue we're having can not be solved by exiting Europe - go to Dover and see what gets pulled out of trucks. Having said that, I do not believe that having immigrants (legally) in the UK is a bad thing, it enriches society. Non EU migration outstrips EU migration and until fairly recently, by a considerable ratio.

 

I'm an Internationalist rather than a Nationalist.

 

 

In my opinion, I think the majority of people saw benefit street etc. And thought that immigrants are taking all our money, but immigrants bring alot more here than they take away.

 

 

There are far more scrounging Brits on our welfare system than there EVER will be immigrants. It's not as easy as most people think for a foreign national to get on the welfare system unless they're fleeing war-torn conflicts. They add value skill sets and culture to the UK. We as a nation also took more away from Europe than we put into it. The wider picture put us at an advantage and the membership costs MORE than paid for itself.

Well, even though I didn't want the outcome we are now lumped with, it could have been worse - we could have had this moron running the country and for that, we can be thankful for regardless of the EU referendum! haha

 

Just the UK's stock taking a hit today then?

 

Nope!

They should have made a rule that anyone who has ever watched Trisha, been on holiday to Benidorm or played Farmville would not be allowed to vote. Then this ridiculous gamble would not have happened

 

All jokes aside its done now, so looking forward to the future. I did vote remain.

Just the UK's stock taking a hit today then?

 

Nope!

 

Correct, another symptom of Brexit - market volatility - it WILL calm though, but no one knows which way it will swing. Quite why Cameron would want to leave during a period of destabilisation is beyond me. I'm not a fan of the guy, but don't throw your resignation in the air at a time like this.

Correct, another symptom of Brexit - market volatility - it WILL calm though, but no one knows which way it will swing. Quite why Cameron would want to leave during a period of destabilisation is beyond me. I'm not a fan of the guy, but don't throw your resignation in the air at a time like this.

Why did he even call the vote when he didn't want the outcome.

Correct, another symptom of Brexit - market volatility - it WILL calm though, but no one knows which way it will swing. Quite why Cameron would want to leave during a period of destabilisation is beyond me. I'm not a fan of the guy, but don't throw your resignation in the air at a time like this.

Thing is he's not really the person to be leading the negotiations to leave is he, as he was so vehemently for staying. On a personal level, he may baulk at the idea.

 

Can't say I'm a massive fan of his, but at least he tried to liberalize the tories, which is a good thing IMO but of course not everyone will agree. I imagine the more right wing Tories will have more power in the party now

Why did he even call the vote when he didn't want the outcome.

To stop some of the defecting to ukip I believe. Oh how that's backfired...

Being 30 chris I remember very well what was done at 22. We worked bloody hard in jobs that paid the minimum wage or there abouts unable to get skilled work that paid a living wage regardless of education. Just stuck. EU or no EU that won't change fast. It takes a long time for most to get a job that you can live off and make your way in the world.

....and here lies the problem with the referendum campaign. I'm not a fan of the guy, but this is why involving politicians in the campaign trail so strongly was never a good idea as I wonder how many people voted for a political personality trait rather than through factual data or who relied on our appalling tabloid press to feed them the stories that they wanted to have sensationalised.

 

I respect everyone's decision, however I wonder how many people voted for the right reasons rather than through all the media shit storm.

To stop some of the defecting to ukip I believe. Oh how that's backfired...

 

Very much so yes, he was pandering to the voters and played with fire. Obviously his arrogance back fired.

Its to early to panic and to early to celebrate. Let the dust settle then we will see the bigger picture. One point will the EU now fold as other countries think about leaving?

Depatrugal, Italeave, Outstria, Finish, Byegium....