Smoking in public is going to have a partial ban. Thank god! I can now go out without fear that I'm going to be breathing in noxious gasses and making my clothes stink! Bring it on!

 

But, I'm disappointed because it doesn't go far enough; there will still be plenty of pubs that don't serve food.

 

What we needed (and didn't get) is a total ban on smokin in public places so it would *force* the smokers (and believe me, nicotine addicts really need forcing) to stop. But this pathetic government just couldn't live up to their manifesto.

 

Well, hey-ho, it's a start and a blanket ban on smoking in all public places won't be that far off. :bow:

Why shouldn't i smoke my friggin car does lol

Most smoking related deaths are caused bu heart disease not cancer.

 

None the less beer+fags = cool+totty and you can't argue with that with yer fancy book learning and vague pseudo science.

And a stir was caused.lol

 

Some interesting points.

 

Non smokers have rights, why should we go somewhere else? I do, if I go to a restaraunt and find it is no smoking, I will go somewhere I can enjoy a cigarette after my meal. I dont drink, do Inot therefore have a right to go about life unmolested by the detrius of drinkers? the botttles/ cans, the overtly violent chavs who only try it on because they are p1ssed, the complete t0sspot fukwits who STILL think they can have a drink and drive?

 

Is it not a case of cant give up?TBH I dont know bud, been smoking 30 of my 38 years and fooking love every one, I know they are addictive, I know its not good for me, I know at some level I have been conditioned to think that fags are cool and sexy (and in fact that they are not) but taking all that into account, I foooking love em.

 

They just cant be allowed to continue to affect the lives of those around them Like drunk drivers? like friday night stella ninjas, like wife beaters? Like the cars we all drive causing a massive rise in asthma?

 

I dont blow smoke into peoples faces, I dont smoke in other peoples house or cars (unless given express permission) and I dont bleat about how good it is to be a smoker, I would never try top convince someone to smioke and I think people who sell fags to kids should be castrated.

 

My post was not to wind people up, but to point out that this ban is the sharp end of a very thin wedge

All sides of the arguement here then.... ;)

 

Personally I don't smoke nor do I like being near people smoking so I lean towards the ban. However more and more pubs and restaraunts have non-smoking areas anyway - usually a similar size to he smoking area. But they should physically separate each area or improve ventilation to avoid smoke poluting the whole place.

 

It should remain freedom of choice. I chose not to sit in smoking areas as I really cannot stand someone smoking near me when I'm eating - this is just vulgar and rude. I respect people's choice should they wish to smoke - it's their life - but there are plenty of selfish smokers out there with no thought for anyone else. I have politely told several smokers in pubs/restaraunts who have lit-up in the non-smoking area to put it out, some get embarassed and do so but the majority of younger people just sneer as they are fully aware they are pissing everyone off.

 

At the end of the day it not as unpleasant or harmful for a smoker not to smoke for a couple of hour than it is for a non-smoker to endure cigarette smoke for the same period. And as for the "passive smoking is not harmful" arguement, tell that to Roy Castle's widow.......mind you it stopped him blowing that fekking trumpet ;)

 

Richard :D

Namely the first post.

 

Why's that then? Just because I like the fact that when I go out, it'll mean I won't get loads of foul stenching smoke in my face?

I respect people's choice should they wish to smoke - it's their life - but there are plenty of selfish smokers out there with no thought for anyone else.

 

Fine words there Richard. Seems there are a few of them in this thread. ;)

Fine words there Richard. Seems there are a few of them in this thread. ;)

Not me though, as I stated earlier, I only smoke in other peoples company if they say I can, I never ask if I can I just presume they would not like it. As for being in a pub and smoking, at the moment you go to a pub knowing it will be full of smokers so I will carry on, if it really bothered you that much you wouldnt be there.

No I know. Most in here are cool. It's just a discussion which some are wanting to turn into a full blown argument. :)

But that (as I'm a non smoker and smoking does seriously affect my asthama, so I do have some grounds to base my opinions on)...is my feeling.

 

:)

 

Then it's your choice to go/not go into smoky environments, isn't it? Why do you non-smokers feel the need to change the rest of the world to suit you and deprive other people's enjoyment of what is, after all, a perfectly legal habit?

 

Of course there is some evidence for both sides (there always is) but when the top bod in his field, appointed by the Govt. to investigate, says there isn't a problem, that should carry more weight - but it doesn't, purely because it goes against the zeitgeist.

 

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Also, the argument that the NHS is spending lots of money on looking after smokers' illnesses is moot because, fundamentally, the NHS is there to fix the health of the public, not to be selective in treatment. The income from tax on tobacco far exceeds the money spent on dealing with the consequences of smoking. It is propping up the NHS and that is why the Govt. has a hard time banning smoking and losing its high income cash-cow.

 

IMO, there should be a tax on food that has no nutritional value and causes health problems, seeing as there is more NHS money spent on the consequences of that than anything else. "Sorry, sir, you can't have any anti-biotics for your chest infection because some idiot with self-inflicted obesity has just had the money spent on their triple heart bypass" just wouldn't wash, would it?

 

If "passive" smoking is so bad, then there would have been a hell of a lot more problems caused by it in the last 50 years, during which time a lot more people smoked, than there has. It's a vote-winning Govt. buzzword that has scared the ignorant masses into believing there is a problem that doesn't really exist. Scare-mongering from this Govt? Surely not?

 

And if smoking (as opposed to passive smoking) is so bad then why doesn't every smoker die of "smoking related" problems?

 

 

Mods: please don't kill this thread - there's some interesting and (so far) civil debate going on.

Yes, but why do the smokers feel the need to sit in a pub and stink it out? The argument swings both ways and the fact that it's unhealthy surely must indicate that something should be set in place to protect the non-smoker.

 

I do totally understand the view of the smoker though and understand that it must seem really harsh. But they are not banning smoking, they are simply stating that it should be done without the infringement of others. Which is fair, if you want to smoke, then fine, there are others that will not want the smoke in their face, so respect their wishes.

 

There are arguments for both and it's a 50/50 win win situations as far as winning the arguments go, but because I am a non smoker, I am happy about it.

 

 

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I have no problem with people opening up non smoking pubs, just dont think it should be forced upon us.

Not any need for that though is there as it's not a blanket ban.

at the end of the day its simple if you dont want to be around smokers dont go where people smoke removal of civil liberties springs to mind along with freedom of choice why the f*ck should pubs be no-smoking restaruants yes i agree with but not everywhere else seems to me some people on this thread are very motivated by this subject and i am sorry to say they seem to want to push there overstated views and beliefs onto everyone else

Why?

1.) Talking about higher road tax for sports cars.

 

2.) Talking about road tax per mile.

 

3.) Telling people where they can and cannot smoke.

 

4.) Stupidly high petrol prices.

 

5.) Higher tax on Ciggarettes and Tobacco etc.

 

6.) Speed cameras in riddiculous places.

 

Plus a lot more besides, but as M Rogers said this is not a politics forum its a Nissan 300zx forum. :x: But no wonder a lot more Brits are moving to other countries, Spain etc.

IIRC you are supposed to be quite in a library...but nobody has had to ban noise...self regulating it would seem...but what if you wanted noisy library's?...ban silence?

 

...wtf am i talking about...lol

...*tired..must be*

1.) Talking about higher road tax for sports cars.

 

2.) Talking about road tax per mile.

 

3.) Telling people where they can and cannot smoke.

 

4.) Stupidly high petrol prices.

 

5.) Higher tax on Ciggarettes and Tobacco etc.

 

6.) Speed cameras in riddiculous places.

 

Plus a lot more besides, but as M Rogers said this is not a politics forum its a Nissan 300zx forum. :x: But no wonder a lot more Brits are moving to other countries, Spain etc.

 

To be honest, are you surprised they are doing this? There's not hiding the fact that Britain's roads are crammed to breaking points. I don't agree with it per say, but it's better than just leaving it as it is.

 

Cameras though, I do agree with you on that point and very strongly.

 

But there's nothing wrong with England, if that's all that's wrong with it, then it's a diamond.

 

I've been to some dreadful impoverished countries with little or no human rights, road surfaces that look like lunar landscapes, no health service, no decent transport infrastructure. We’ve got it very very good in this country.

 

Let's not feel too hard done by here. :)

To be honest, are you surprised they are doing this? There's not hiding the fact that Britain's roads are crammed to breaking points. I don't agree with it per say, but it's better than just leaving it as it is.

 

Cameras though, I do agree with you on that point and very strongly.

 

But there's nothing wrong with England, if that's all that's wrong with it, then it's a diamond.

 

I've been to some dreadful impoverished countries with little or no human rights, road surfaces that look like lunar landscapes, no health service, no decent transport infrastructure. We’ve got it very very good in this country.

 

Let's not feel too hard done by here. :)

Will you still feel like its such a good place when you can only leave your front door when the government/president tells you that you can?

No, that's over exaggeration and is a backlash for the whole thing really.

to all you mother fvckers who dont like my smoke, kiss it

iff i have to listen to any other kvnt trying to tell me what i can and cant do even after ive spent the day living within the laws of the land,not speeding,not thieving,and generally being a honerst person, has got to feel some kind of guilt because i wanna smoke a fvckin fag in public well dont make me laugh. your farts in the bar offend me and stink,your b/o under your arms offend me and stink,your dog shit on the pavements offend me and my kids,your use of the earths resorces offend me and do more harm than my ciggy,we all offend and indirectly kill each other just by living so get off your little stool marked "ime perfect" and pour all your addictive beer down the drain,sell your car and buy a push bike,tell your missus to stop blocking my drains with her fvckin tampons and get back in your own shell cos ime about to have a smoke in mine :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

No, that's over exaggeration and is a backlash for the whole thing really.

it is an exaggeration but its a demonstration of what I personally am opposed to, Jock has said about the plans to ban motorbikes and we are moving in that direction.

your dog shit on the pavements offend me and my kids :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

Now this is something on the other hand that really really pi55es me off, but I am not calling for people to be banned from keeping dogs, and yes it is a health risk. And if there was a park near mine that had a problem with dogs mess I would keep away from it.

to all you mother fvckers who dont like my smoke, kiss it

iff i have to listen to any other kvnt trying to tell me what i can and cant do even after ive spent the day living within the laws of the land,not speeding,not thieving,and generally being a honerst person, has got to feel some kind of guilt because i wanna smoke a fvckin fag in public well dont make me laugh. your farts in the bar offend me and stink,your b/o under your arms offend me and stink,your dog shit on the pavements offend me and my kids,your use of the earths resorces offend me and do more harm than my ciggy,we all offend and indirectly kill each other just by living so get off your little stool marked "ime perfect" and pour all your addictive beer down the drain,sell your car and buy a push bike,tell your missus to stop blocking my drains with her fvckin tampons and get back in your own shell cos ime about to have a smoke in mine :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

 

Hmmmmmm see my comments earlier about selfishness. ;)

 

Yes, agree on dog 5hit, which is why there is a £1,000 fine for caught letting their dogs found in public.

it is an exaggeration but its a demonstration of what I personally am opposed to, Jock has said about the plans to ban motorbikes and we are moving in that direction.

 

That just won't happen. Same goes for the £4000 a year tax on anything over a 2.0

 

It's mainly chinese whispers or things they've thought of doing. Banning motorbikes will be against their green policy if anything.

I think we need a poll, "Are you for or against smoking in bars and restaurants?" :rofl:

this thread sucks

 

i smoke and have done for around 12years :D if i go in a restaurant i dont smoke as when im eating i cant stand others smoking,after iv eaten im out the door and have 2 in a row goes down lovely after a meal :D

 

in my house i dont smoke around my children as they dont have a choice wether to inhale passive smoke so the garden it is

 

but if im in a pub i will smoke after all a ciggy and a beer is like salt and pepper needs to go together,if a ban is imposed il still smoke in the pub/bar cos im selfish :rolleyes: :D

 

some good points from most some fookin drivel here though,i agree with jock with some points like smokers are not the only people affecting health so il keep smoking :hyper: