The video below is a heart breaker to any petrol head, why the government thought this was a good idea is anyones guess, but years after the scrappage scheme ended now the storage costs of the cars must of out weighed the benefit to the new car sales. and yes some 300zx in there too !!

 

 

 

 

An Aladdins cave for parts :drool:

The scheme was thought a good idea to remove old polluting cars from the road and save the planet.

The subtext of that is that government and business Work hand in hand, agreeing on things at the golf corse. A green adgenda, now matter how misguided is always a good pretense to make money. This scheme supported and profited the car industry, the revenue from tax collection to the government.

The green movement is a cash cow and those who want to hug an otter swallow it hole.

Well said Stephen !!!

Well said Stephen !!!

 

Yup - seconded....:sad:

Surely there is nothing "Greener" than continuing to keep old cars on the road, rather than manufacturing new ones, where the processes of obtaining the raw materials for new construction have massive impacts on the environment, particularly the mining methods required to obtain the metals for battery manufacturing.

Surely there is nothing "Greener" than continuing to keep old cars on the road, rather than manufacturing new ones, where the processes of obtaining the raw materials for new construction have massive impacts on the environment, particularly the mining methods required to obtain the metals for battery manufacturing.

 

no no no, the problem cannot be with the manufacture process, nothing wrong there at all, as long as they are producing something greener than what it replaces.

 

the problem is all with the consumer, once they have bought the product, they are suddenly the polluting, green house gas emitting tax cash cow to penalise for using the product.

 

:lol:

Remember LPG, it was sold as the future of green travel in its time, lots of incentives at the time to buy a new LPG car or even a to have an old one converted. Lpg I remember was 35 pence a litre when petrol was double that and more as LPG was given a special low tax rating.

 

Then a small unknown regulation in the small print meant after six years LPG taxation limit ran out so hey up it went and killed the advantage off completely, sneaky buggers, then the same with diesel, get everyone to swap over on the promise of cheaper fuel, and then when everyone on board bam ! hit it with more tax, of course now the decades of diesel technology and investment is seen as dirty now....

 

So lets see, we all go electric and what is going to happen? we all know, it will cost us more, lots more, we do not have spare capacity within the UK national grid at this time to recharge a nations electric cars every night which means either buying power from Europe, !! oh hang on we have fell out with them ( Brexit ) so will they do us a good price....no way will they!! So we need to build more powers stations !! yeh and in doing so wipe out all of the environment savings of electric car`s in one swipe. Oh and did I mention the tax, oh yeh, they will tax the ass out of electric cars, think they will not, historically the motorist gets shafted every single time, why will it be any different with milk floats??

 

Jeff

Edited June 22, 20187 yr by JeffTT

Surely there is nothing "Greener" than continuing to keep old cars on the road, rather than manufacturing new ones, where the processes of obtaining the raw materials for new construction have massive impacts on the environment, particularly the mining methods required to obtain the metals for battery manufacturing.

 

Because most people have swallowed the BS that Co2 is the sole environmental crisis.

speaking of the mis sold clean diesel option..... lol

Surely there is nothing "Greener" than continuing to keep old cars on the road, rather than manufacturing new ones, where the processes of obtaining the raw materials for new construction have massive impacts on the environment, particularly the mining methods required to obtain the metals for battery manufacturing.

 

I seem to remember reading somewhere that "Dust to Dust" the most environmentally friendly car is currently the Land Rover Defender, quite simply because so many of them are still going.

My understanding is a huge percentage of the pollution associated with a car occurs at manufacture and again at disposal. So keep a car going longer and there is no pollution associated with its disposal and no pollution from the creation of a replacement.

 

As with all of these things its driven by politics and money and we as the individual are just along for the ride.

And yes it was me that bought a V8 toy last week! :thumbup:

Remember LPG, it was sold as the future of green travel in its time, lots of incentives at the time to buy a new LPG car or even a to have an old one converted. Lpg I remember was 35 pence a litre when petrol was double that and more as LPG was given a special low tax rating.

 

Then a small unknown regulation in the small print meant after six years LPG taxation limit ran out so hey up it went and killed the advantage off completely, sneaky buggers, then the same with diesel, get everyone to swap over on the promise of cheaper fuel, and then when everyone on board bam ! hit it with more tax, of course now the decades of diesel technology and investment is seen as dirty now....

 

So lets see, we all go electric and what is going to happen? we all know, it will cost us more, lots more, we do not have spare capacity within the UK national grid at this time to recharge a nations electric cars every night which means either buying power from Europe, !! oh hang on we have fell out with them ( Brexit ) so will they do us a good price....no way will they!! So we need to build more powers stations !! yeh and in doing so wipe out all of the environment savings of electric car`s in one swipe. Oh and did I mention the tax, oh yeh, they will tax the ass out of electric cars, think they will not, historically the motorist gets shafted every single time, why will it be any different with milk floats??

 

Jeff

 

Because most people have swallowed the BS that Co2 is the sole environmental crisis.

 

Yes and yes...:sad:

 

And talking of electric energy, I read an article last week that Orkney produces so much electricity using tidal and wind power, that they cannot use it all on the islands. However to provide a power cable to ship it the rest of Scotland would cost in the region of £250m. So instead, they use that excess electricity to separate the components of water (ie to produce hydrogen). Which can of course be used as fuel for hydrogen-fuel-cell cars like that Toyota thingy..... But since there aren't too many of those in the Orkneys, they use the hydrogen as fuel to produce...…

 

 

…….wait for it...….

 

 

……..more electricity....!!!! Which they still cannot transport to mainland Scotland....:lol: If that's even half true - well you could not make it up, could you - it's just ludicrous...:death:

I seem to remember reading somewhere that "Dust to Dust" the most environmentally friendly car is currently the Land Rover Defender, quite simply because so many of them are still going.

My understanding is a huge percentage of the pollution associated with a car occurs at manufacture and again at disposal. So keep a car going longer and there is no pollution associated with its disposal and no pollution from the creation of a replacement.

 

As with all of these things its driven by politics and money and we as the individual are just along for the ride.

And yes it was me that bought a V8 toy last week! :thumbup:

 

I'm sure Aston Martin are up there, the statistic is something like 95% of Aston's ever built are still road worthy. I was going to say on the road, but some of the older ones Re probably worth so much they never

Ikea see the light of day.

 

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Where the fek did ikea come from. Bloody phone

The whole electric car thing presents all sorts if problems, as alluded to above. If every car on the uk roads just now was changed for an electric one, we would need in the region of 7 new nuclear power stations over what we have now.

 

We would need to upgrade the overhead line and cable network, build new substations, and generally be working on the infrastructure for the next 40 years.

 

Don't get me wrong, this is what is going to happen, and long term it will be a good thing but most people when they casually talk about us all going electric, and doing it by a certain date, don't really understand what needs to be done in the back ground to make it work.

In 100 years time they will look back on how we’re proposing to do it “better” and shake their heads.

In 100 years time they will look back on how we’re proposing to do it “better” and shake their heads.

 

Yup....:wink:

Where is that place

Where is that place

 

https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/threads/r-a-f-thurleigh-car-graveyard-april15.95528/

 

http://www.thurleighairfieldbusinesspark.co.uk/