There has been a few interested parties that want to be apart of the NEC so I just wanted to gauge how many of you would like to take part this year.

 

This may not be for everyone as being the classic car show we need the highest of quality as we can for the show and a few rules to go.

 

1.) You need to arrive more than likely pre 9AM the day before the show starts for setup.

2.) Your zed can't be removed from the stand until the late evening of the following Sunday.

3.) The hotels may be part subsidised by the club but this depending on interest and costs. (we will know after we gauge the interest).

4.) Meals need to be paid for by the individuals, ie. its not JAE so we cant have a BBQ, :(

I can't see anywhere on the classic motor show website that states OEM vehicles only......In fact looking through the gallery it's quite obvious many of the cars are modified in many ways.

 

Is choosing the cars the right way to go about this? Who gets to choose? The committee? Unfair I think.

If choosing which members cars are to be displayed on our club stand it should be the club members who choose.

 

And I don't see for one minute why a modified zed shouldn't be chosen either, let's be honest here chaps, we all goto places like jae and Beaulieu etc and stand and look at others cars and say "I like that mod" or "that looks like a turd" but the fact is we all like different things.

 

Some cars such as joelyp's or funkysi's etc are beautiful examples of the marque but I don't think these are the only examples to be considered, GIBSTER's creation is a massive contrast to these cars and just as worthy of being at a show like the nec purely for the fact it is modified in such a heavy way.

 

I'm not convinced choosing cars is the right way to go about deciding who goes, who really has the right to say another member shouldn't be allowed to display their car?

 

Maybe a pick at random is a fairer option? But if that's the case we need to be assured it is genuinely at random.

The problem I see is I don't think many zed's are mod free on the forum?.

They all have been altered or modified in one way or another.

From what I see on the NEC site is a lot of museum car's or cars that are transported from show to show that have all been beautifully restored to factory spec down to every nut and bolt.

 

If we are going to go by their standards and rules all our cars are ruled out

I can't see anywhere on the classic motor show website that states OEM vehicles only......In fact looking through the gallery it's quite obvious many of the cars are modified in many ways.

Is choosing the cars the right way to go about this? Who gets to choose? The committee? Unfair I think.

If choosing which members cars are to be displayed on our club stand it should be the club members who choose.

And I don't see for one minute why a modified zed shouldn't be chosen either, let's be honest here chaps, we all goto places like jae and Beaulieu etc and stand and look at others cars and say "I like that mod" or "that looks like a turd" but the fact is we all like different things.

Some cars such as joelyp's or funkysi's etc are beautiful examples of the marque but I don't think these are the only examples to be considered, GIBSTER's creation is a massive contrast to these cars and just as worthy of being at a show like the nec purely for the fact it is modified in such a heavy way.

I'm not convinced choosing cars is the right way to go about deciding who goes, who really has the right to say another member shouldn't be allowed to display their car?

Maybe a pick at random is a fairer option? But if that's the case we need to be assured it is genuinely at random.

 

It's not that non OEM vehicles are not allowed, its whether people think that an OEM car would best represent the club in a CLASSIC car show.

 

I'm not sure on my view though as i can see perhaps the most work and the best looking cars (from my point of view) are people's like Dans and Rolondas' cars, but some people might think that modified cars do not give a good impression to the NEC audience.

 

 

I think this needs a thorough discussion in the committee or a statement regrading what can or can't go as sometimes, what the car came out of the factory like might attract a certain crowd, but EQUALLY modified examples would attract a evenly sized crowd.

Chris mate, no-one from the committee has said "OEM only" and the whole idea of this thread is just to gauge interest in who would be willing and able to exhibit at the NEC.

 

No-one has said either, that the committee will decide who is in or out - albeit we might wield the balancing votes, in the event that a public poll yields no outright winners.

 

Nothing has been decided yet. What is certain though, it that we'll be lucky to secure a stand big enough to accommodate anymore than 4-5 cars; we'll not be told of our entry details until May. And note the word "told;" we request a plot, put forward our requirements but the organisers make all the decisions and offer what they can. We have no further choice - hence the need for a tight selection process involving cars of the highest standard. I repeat, the highest standard - there's nothing to stop modified cars from being involved.

 

Can we please keep this thread/poll on topic. Everyone will have their chance to comment further once we begin the selection process - after we have secured a stand:wink:

 

Thanks!

You can judge if your Z is good enough and you have the time to exhibit it for the full show then the Committee will decide the best options that have been put forward.

 

As said there is only room for a handful of Z's and we have more interest in this show than Jae which can hold every Z in the club ! The decision of the Committee to move into the Classic show at the NEC has proved to be the right direction to go but we need a prestige show for all members in a central location. Coventry Museum would be ideal as you are in a city center location with public interest coming of the streets to view the Z's and plenty of interest for the members and there families with the Car Museum and local shops. Then after the show we could move to a hotel or campsite to spend the night. How does that sound?

 

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There is a big difference between subtle mods and max power KFC car park mods.

 

Just my opinion

Compromise. Show exemplary examples of the classic marque and exceptionally beautiful versions of what the Z32 can evolve from and into, like Dan's. The club voted it COTY.

There is a big difference between subtle mods and max power KFC car park mods.

 

Just my opinion

 

Yes, usually the difference is about 200bhp.. Lol

This is turning out to be a great thread so far; very surprising :)

 

And I can say for certain I think none of us expected such a big interest in the NEC show due to the commitments needed for it.

Here's my thoughts:

 

This club, like so many out there, seems to predominantly have three types of owner - those who want their cars to be subtle but improved (OEM+, if you will), those who want to break new ground with their styling or modifications and those who simply view Z32s as a comparatively cheap and fast car, and want to drive it as such.

 

There is precisely nothing inherently wrong with any of these viewpoints. It really is a case of "each to their own" and that helps to keep the club and the cars within it fresh and vibrant.

 

Danny's wide-arch, for example, is beautiful. I had a good look round it at JAE and it's just stunning! It's something that's all but unique, certainly here in the UK, and is a very worthy winner of COTY in my opinion :thumbup1:

 

It's a shining example of what can be done with a Zed with the right combination of imagination, skill and, undoubtedly, money. It really stood out at JAE!

 

The question is, would "classic car buffs" as a collective appreciate it? Or would they consider it sacrilege...?

 

I've worked on a few classic cars over the years and the owners are, by and large, a fussy bunch. They have a serious tendency to like things "as they were meant to be" which would usually mean that extreme modifications like Danny's would be frowned upon, regardless of how well they've been executed.

 

I've known classic owners purposely replace like for like, even if they're knowingly using a part that was sub-par when it was first produced, purely to keep the originality. That's pretty crazy in my opinion, but that's the nature of that scene.

 

So the Classic show at the NEC is primarily for lovers of classic cars to see them as they believe they are supposed to be. As has already been said, it's not a car show like JAE or anything like that - the format and desired visitors are pretty much completely different.

 

The cars that have represented this club in the past have been, like it or not, much closer to the OEM end of the scale, because that's the nature of the show itself.

FunkySi: at the point it was exhibited, the only obviously "non-standard" additions were the wheels, exhaust and interior (and paint colour, if you want to be really picky) - everything else looked either as Nissan intended it at the time of production or was an addition from later in the Z32's evolution. And yes, whilst the interior covering was "aftermarket," it still retained all the original seats and panels, with the exception of the steering wheel.

 

JoelyP: again, aside from the wheels, boot spoiler and exhaust, there is nothing noticably "out of the ordinary" about this car. It simply looks like a super-clean example. Even the boot spoiler is basically an updated version of the 89 Spec from Nissan, so that doesn't stand out as a glaring modification.

 

Zebedee: Mandy showed Zeb for what it was: a rarely seen Version R from the end of the Z32's production run. Wheels, exhaust and interior trim are non-standard, but the car is, ultimately, as Nissan intended it to be.

 

JaiKai: a fairly comprehensive rebuild with aftermarket wheels, exhaust and interior. That's pretty much all the untrained eye might pick up.

 

AndrewG: yet again, no obvious changes from Nissan's original design aside from wheels and exhaust.

 

So the cars that have represented 300ZX.co.uk up to this point have all been some of the "more restrained" examples within our club membership. If that's what's expected from a club's attendance at the event, then there's not a great deal to be gained from trying to argue against that (in my opinion).

 

As a club, we have some fantastic cars, but not all of them will be suitable for this kind of show. Using Danny's as the example again, his Zed is perfectly suited to an event such as JAE where the attendees thrive on modifications and the almost-constant crowd around it when it was on Dasstech's trade stand simply confirms that. As I've already said, it's a stunning car and a superb example of what can be done. :thumbup1:

 

This next bit may well make me unpopular, but such is life. Whilst Danny's car is a hugely deserving winner of COTY, I personally don't think it's right for the NEC show. I've listed all the reasons why above. I've met Danny in person and I've even done some work for him, and I have absolutely nothing against him as a person and nothing against his Zed (again, see above) - I simply think that the very nature of the NEC show and it's primary clientbase are at almost direct odds with Danny's build.

 

It's all well and good for someone like Chrisbasildon to say that the members should decide whose car goes to the NEC, but that's not really feasible when the show itself is so, for want of a better phrase, narrow-minded. Realistically, I think there's a very small number of suitable cars on here to choose from that would be suitable for this event.

 

Case in point: there's a car show every year near Nottingham called Japs North (although I don't think that's its official title) and it started out as a classics-only show. There was lots of pressure from local car clubs to have it expanded to encompass all types of car, rather than just bona fide classics, so the organisers opened the doors to the rest of the motoring world. :)

 

When you're there though, there's an enormous sense of "them and us" between the modified brigade and the classic-lovers. That's because, by and large, the classic lovers aren't into modified cars. I've personally seen "classic-lovers" turn their noses up at my friend's immaculate and beautiful Celica GT-Four there, because it's simply not to their taste!

 

There. I've said my bit. If it makes me unpopular then I'll deal with that, but I haven't insulted or belittled anybody so, hopefully, people will read this and see that it's simply my thoughts about a specific event in the motoring calendar and our club's participation in it.

 

:)

Agreed with Mondo. I wouldn't modify a Z myself - other than small changes like those he's mentioned - but there are some quite heavily modified ones out there that I like. If I should find myself with €30,000 to spare in the near future, I'd be buying the cleanest, most original Z you've ever seen and not even an aftermarket bulb would be used, but that's just my preference. It's still nice to see a bit of variety!

I can't see anywhere on the classic motor show website that states OEM vehicles only......In fact looking through the gallery it's quite obvious many of the cars are modified in many ways.

 

Is choosing the cars the right way to go about this? Who gets to choose? The committee? Unfair I think.

If choosing which members cars are to be displayed on our club stand it should be the club members who choose.

 

And I don't see for one minute why a modified zed shouldn't be chosen either, let's be honest here chaps, we all goto places like jae and Beaulieu etc and stand and look at others cars and say "I like that mod" or "that looks like a turd" but the fact is we all like different things.

 

Some cars such as joelyp's or funkysi's etc are beautiful examples of the marque but I don't think these are the only examples to be considered, GIBSTER's creation is a massive contrast to these cars and just as worthy of being at a show like the nec purely for the fact it is modified in such a heavy way.

 

I'm not convinced choosing cars is the right way to go about deciding who goes, who really has the right to say another member shouldn't be allowed to display their car?

 

Maybe a pick at random is a fairer option? But if that's the case we need to be assured it is genuinely at random.

 

I would love to see a proper modified 300zx at the NEC like Dan's wide body or Jason's beast. It would be a sad day for the club if our car of the year was not considered good enough for this show. If you have the time to show your Z and its in good condition then stand up and be counted this goes for your Z also Chris as I seen it at JAE and it is a great example of a 300zx.

As much as I think it would be great to see I don't think Jasons car is suited to the NEC.

 

As many have stated its for classic cars rather than modified and Jasons is the most modified of the lot and I think it would look out of place.

As much as I think it would be great to see I don't think Jasons car is suited to the NEC.

 

As many have stated its for classic cars rather than modified and Jasons is the most modified of the lot and I think it would look out of place.

 

I know what you mean Lee and see where you are coming from as it is a classic show but its a modified classic done to a high standard and a Z like the Beast sitting beside an oem Z would be like a Back to the future Deloran sitting beside a standard Deloran which would look well at the NEC. Just an idea that I think would work :) Maybe a "Wild to Mild" theme.

As much as I think it would be great to see I don't think Jasons car is suited to the NEC.

 

As many have stated its for classic cars rather than modified and Jasons is the most modified of the lot and I think it would look out of place.

 

 

100% agree.

But the Delorean with or without the additions for back to the future is still classic due to its age is it not.

 

So is the likes of the batmobile and ghostbusters cars.

 

If for some reason the tumbler from the latest batman series was to be shown it would be to get attendance ratings up

because of what it is rather than being a classic which it clearly isn't.

 

What do we or you consider to be classic these days ?

 

I wouldn't say its just age as that could mean we could have a show in 15 years times full of corsa's and vw golfs !

 

Classic to me is the time of the introduction of cars to the mid late 90's, everything after 2000's have advanced in

technology and design that they are basically people carrers running from advanced computers with airbags. lol

 

The modern car these days have changed and we are all computers, plastic and more plastic.

 

Gone are the days of exposed engines as everything these days is covered up more or less.

Funkysi lol your a pissa, its either standard or its not,

Once you put aftermarket parts on its no longer standard full stop, now as a show go there will be im sure standard classics and none standard ie race replica's alike, you will have Burton power products, c & n customs, piper sports and racing car club, Rally design, retro power,

SA Fabrications & Motorsport Ltd,Santa Pod Raceway, so as you can see, wind in the giraffe poll, and blar blar blar oem droll and accept that a compilation of standard OEM. to the highly modified will be an advantage to the forum raising its profile and interesting more people to the 300zx, like what Danny's car has done,,,,, so many people have come over to me and said that they don't normally like the 300zx but Danny's has caught their eye and they loved it.... now i don't normally rant but this post has upset someone very close to me and his car is Carlsberg.

 

That is the only other 300 that would not look out of place at the NEC that isn't a stock body. The only exception to that rule is Nissan offered add ons at point of sale.

 

Anything else should be no where near the club stand. This is not JAE or Japfest so I don't know why there are so many tears regarding this!

 

The Coventry show should be for all Z's and the NEC for high quality stock body subtly modified (i.e change of wheels)

Edited January 22, 20169 yr by Sir Charles

Funkysi lol your a pissa, its either standard or its not,

Once you put aftermarket parts on its no longer standard full stop, now as a show go there will be im sure standard classics and none standard ie race replica's alike, you will have Burton power products, c & n customs, piper sports and racing car club, Rally design, retro power,

SA Fabrications & Motorsport Ltd,Santa Pod Raceway, so as you can see, wind in the giraffe poll, and blar blar blar oem droll and accept that a compilation of standard OEM. to the highly modified will be an advantage to the forum raising its profile and interesting more people to the 300zx, like what Danny's car has done,,,,, so many people have come over to me and said that they don't normally like the 300zx but Danny's has caught their eye and they loved it.... now i don't normally rant but this post has upset someone very close to me and his car is Carlsberg.

 

I think you're missing the point here. Another forum member and I were having a conversation about this yesterday. No where does it say that I dislike otherwise and singled out Danny's car as an example of a highly modified car done very well, in fact, the nicest highly modified of the forum. I think it looks great, it is subtle too.

 

I know the show intimately and highly customised cars is not what it's about; that isn't an opinion either for those of you that think I'm being an ass. Not sure where any off this butt-hurt is coming from either? Upset who and in what way!? :confused:

 

It's the same reason as that why certain cars on here, those possibly at the NEC last year that would look totally out of place on the front stage at Modified Nationals as an example or any of those big high-profile modified car events.

 

I actually think Danny's car would look good on the stand as it is subtle and extremely well done despite being a little wild - however, the vast majority of the cars there, I'd say about 99% of them still look like they did when they came out of the factory.

 

Believe it or not, I actually felt slightly out-of-place there which is why I am going back to a factory interior and steering wheel! :rofl: But I've done my time the NEC and it was an honour. I would love to see the stand get bigger and develop with some really good prime examples.

Edited January 22, 20169 yr by Funkysi

I think Mondos post is well thought out and extremely well written and very nearly right. - Well I can't agree completely.

As a long time annual visitor to the NEC I have seen it evolve and grow massively.

It is true that a large percentage of the cars there are classics and either as the manufacturer intended or with a few modifications.

However over the last 5 or 6 years I have seen more and more modified and custom cars appear.

Guess what? they have all been welcomed with open arms!

The show is huge and in my experience you cannot get round it in one day.

If you want to spend a day drooling over cars built by a man in a flat cap using Whitworth sockets you can.

Equally if you want to spend the day looking sports cars or custom rides you can.

It's a car show people for cars! All shapes and sizes!

The world would be a sad place if we all like the same thing ( clearly Scarlett Johansson is the exception here)

We will always be limited by the size of pitch we have and the members who can commit the time and effort, but we shouldn't be limited by anything else.

The cars looked stunning last year and I really enjoyed meeting the guys and had a long chat with Simon.

However in my opinion the stand would have looked no less stunning had it had a variation of cars ranging from OEM through custom through Track car.

The beauty of our cars is they can be anything so why not show case that.

I think we are over thinking this and restraining ourselves by imagined rules.

Just enjoy the car

Rant over

Happy Friday everyone

:thumbup1:

I think Mondos post is well thought out and extremely well written and very nearly right. - Well I can't agree completely.

As a long time annual visitor to the NEC I have seen it evolve and grow massively.

It is true that a large percentage of the cars there are classics and either as the manufacturer intended or with a few modifications.

However over the last 5 or 6 years I have seen more and more modified and custom cars appear.

Guess what? they have all been welcomed with open arms!

The show is huge and in my experience you cannot get round it in one day.

If you want to spend a day drooling over cars built by a man in a flat cap using Whitworth sockets you can.

Equally if you want to spend the day looking sports cars or custom rides you can.

It's a car show people for cars! All shapes and sizes!

The world would be a sad place if we all like the same thing ( clearly Scarlett Johansson is the exception here)

We will always be limited by the size of pitch we have and the members who can commit the time and effort, but we shouldn't be limited by anything else.

The cars looked stunning last year and I really enjoyed meeting the guys and had a long chat with Simon.

However in my opinion the stand would have looked no less stunning had it had a variation of cars ranging from OEM through custom through Track car.

The beauty of our cars is they can be anything so why not show case that.

I think we are over thinking this and restraining ourselves by imagined rules.

Just enjoy the car

Rant over

Happy Friday everyone

:thumbup1:

Valid points dude! :)

Funkysi lol your a pissa, its either standard or its not,

Once you put aftermarket parts on its no longer standard full stop, now as a show go there will be im sure standard classics and none standard ie race replica's alike, you will have Burton power products, c & n customs, piper sports and racing car club, Rally design, retro power,

SA Fabrications & Motorsport Ltd,Santa Pod Raceway, so as you can see, wind in the giraffe poll, and blar blar blar oem droll and accept that a compilation of standard OEM. to the highly modified will be an advantage to the forum raising its profile and interesting more people to the 300zx, like what Danny's car has done,,,,, so many people have come over to me and said that they don't normally like the 300zx but Danny's has caught their eye and they loved it.... now i don't normally rant but this post has upset someone very close to me and his car is Carlsberg.

 

Which post has upset who here...?

 

My post, where I praised Danny's car and, indeed, your workmanship on it? If so, then I spectacularly fail to see how either the owner or the builder of the car in question could find anything to get upset about...

 

And with all due respect here, your comment about how so many people have told you that they don't normally like the Z32 but they love Danny's car doesn't really do all that much for raising the profile of the marque or this club - what it undoubtedly does do, however, is raise your profile as a metalworker because, based on what you've said, all these people wouldn't look twice at his car had you not dramatically altered the body ;)

 

I get that you think that your creation is "Carlsberg" as you put it and, as I've said ad nauseum it is a stunning looking car, and you and he should both be very proud of it. If someone says that they don't think it's especially suitable for a certain type of motoring event though, that's no reason to be "upset" as you put it.

 

If there was a very prestigious Show & Shine event on somewhere and I considered putting my car in for it, I would NOT get bent out of shape if someone told me it wasn't the relevant standard for that specific event. And this is no different.

 

Bottom line is this (as I see it): deep down, every one of us believes (on some level, at least) that ours is the best Zed there is. That's perfectly natural. For example, I personally believe that my own interior is the nicest one in this club :) - that doesn't mean that it is and it certainly doesn't mean I'm going to start breaking my heart if someone tells me that they disagree!

 

When I first did my interior, there were a number of people who were undecided on whether they liked it or whether it was suitable for a Z32. I didn't reach for the Kleenex though because, guess what? Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if it happens to be different to my own :thumbup1:

 

If we modified our cars, however subtly or wildly, solely for the purpose of gaining universal approval, I suspect we'd all spend plenty of time being very upset and disappointed at the lack thereof. Everything is subjective in this scene and everyone likes different things. Still, I can't recall anyone who's said that they dislike Danny's car, so how's that for a big thumbs-up?

 

All anyone is saying is that, in some people's opinions, it may not be suitable for a car show where highly modified cars don't fit the criteria as a rule. That's all. Nothing more than that.

^^^ best post of the thread so far!

If there was a very prestigious Show & Shine event on somewhere and I considered putting my car in for it, I would NOT get bent out of shape if someone told me it wasn't the relevant standard for that specific event. And this is no different.

 

As an extreme example, all of the VAG drivers going to Japfest are just plain annoying.

I didn't reach for the Kleenex though because, guess what? Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if it happens to be different to my own :thumbup1:

 

I do reach for a Kleenex when I see your interior but its not for drying tears