Hi all, this is the biggest news event of the century, but I couldn't see any coverage here? Basically, top government funded climate scientists have been twisting their data to falsify global warming. Their private data was hacked a couple of days ago, and is now all over the internet, such as the quotes below...

 

“I tried hard to balance the needs of the science and the IPCC , which were not always the same.” (http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=794).

 

“I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is !” (http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=419).

 

“I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.” (http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=154).

 

“The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong.” (http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=1048).

 

“If anything, I would like to see the climate change happen, so the science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences.” (http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=544)

 

For further info, just google 'climategate' it's getting 100,000's of hits globally!

 

Main stream media and the biased BBC aren't saying anything yet, but this isn't going away. As things stand, "Act On CO2" is based on fraudulent data, and sinking fast!

Act on co2 is also a brilliant money spinner for governments around the world and an excuse for soaring fuel bills, I should think a lot of people will be doing there best to prove it actually exists.

Edited November 24, 200916 yr by SuffolkZX

Actually, I heard this on Radio 4 this morning and listened incessantly!

fantastic, i'll go and buy another v8! :D

One of the biggest jokes is how they manage to charge you more for car tax because you have a big engine and therefore assume you are pumping out higher Co2 levels

Ignoring my failed MOT thread cos of emissions, every car in Britain has to pass an emissions test with a guideline set, so all cars should be under the limit of allowed emissions to pass the MOT, so why try and charge us for higher levels, when infact they wouldnt pass if they were too high.

 

Does this make sense or am i missing something?

You are missing something. ;) Just because large engine cars fall below the threshold for legal emissions requirement does not mean they are automatically running low levels of co2. Whilst a threshold is set, there are plenty of tiny engined cars producing very low rates of co2 emissions, well below the 'legal' MOT limit.

Edited November 24, 200916 yr by FunkySi

I get what you are saying, Its just annoying that, for instance if our 3 litre cars are within the legal recommended requirement then we shouldnt be charged more. They should just continue with the plan of allowing a more Co2 friendly car have cheaper car tax.

I understand, but the legal MOT limit is completely separated from physical low emission cars. The two aren't related as such...if you get my meaning. The co2 limit for MOT tests is literally to stop unhealthy amounts of co2 that are above a governed limit. It does not care about a lower limit, merely stopping cars with very high co2 levels from being on the streets.

other side of the coin for you to look at:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU

 

Some pretty impressive cinematography either way.

I get you, thanks for clearing that up for me

 

Cheers

Graham

climate tax coming our way IMO thats what all this global warming is about how much does our cars and homes pump out compared to the factories and crap they pump out

doesnt surprise me that those with long term projects to fund will say what ever the funder expects, gets them a job for life basically. never swallowed the hype of global warming anyway, my fave was the shrinking glaciers which is trotted out from time to time its even funnier when you can see that other glaciers are growing bigger even on the same continent as those that are shrinking, i think i posted something about this years ago on this very site...hey ho

yeah i knew all this already......... just wish everyone knew this so we can stop being bullshitted too.

id love to see the government's response to this - you can almost see them now, gathered in an emergency conference somewhere, plotting how theyre going to keep up the fear - they'll think up some bull$hit story like swine flu is due to global warming or something.

I also happen to think that all this talk of climate change; carbon footprint etc etc is nothing more than an elaborate con perpetrated by all governments in the developed world.

 

It's an excuse to tax something else and brain-wash society into bending over and taking it IMO:x:

 

And as for cars and CO2 emissions - more rubbish I reckon. The latest road tax system has nothing to do with tackling a (non-existent) issue but a tax on wealth. Governments believe that newer (performance) cars with large engines are driven by more affluent folk........ People who, incidentally, already pay more in tax as larger engined cars use more fuel; hence pay more fuel tax:o

 

You know, the V5 of my daily driver states something like 242g of CO2; giving me a raod tax bill of over £400 next year. However the car had its first MOT earlier this year and, according to the "Gas Ananlyser" test from Hughes Mercedes-Benz, the emission test results were.....

 

Fast idle: 0.00 PASS

Natural idle: 0.00 PASS

 

Not bad for a 3500cc engine eh?

 

Hmmmmmm.....;)

 

Richard:(

Main stream media coverage will be a slow burn as this is a deeply tangled web, but here's something from the USA...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA_Szcmtxvs

I also happen to think that all this talk of climate change; carbon footprint etc etc is nothing more than an elaborate con perpetrated by all governments in the developed world.

 

It's an excuse to tax something else and brain-wash society into bending over and taking it IMO:x:

 

And as for cars and CO2 emissions - more rubbish I reckon. The latest road tax system has nothing to do with tackling a (non-existent) issue but a tax on wealth. Governments believe that newer (performance) cars with large engines are driven by more affluent folk........ People who, incidentally, already pay more in tax as larger engined cars use more fuel; hence pay more fuel tax:o

 

You know, the V5 of my daily driver states something like 242g of CO2; giving me a raod tax bill of over £400 next year. However the car had its first MOT earlier this year and, according to the "Gas Ananlyser" test from Hughes Mercedes-Benz, the emission test results were.....

 

Fast idle: 0.00 PASS

Natural idle: 0.00 PASS

 

Not bad for a 3500cc engine eh?

 

Hmmmmmm.....;)

 

Richard:(

 

Dad had something similar years ago with his old 740i, which a the time had done 130k or so, took it to the local garage for an MOT which was also a ford dealer, tested the emissions and nothing came up on the machine, they thought the machine was broken so took a nearly new mondingo 1.8i of the forecourt to check the emissions and it read those okay! So they just don't expect anything from his cars anymore... lol

MMMmmmmmm

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8376009.stm

Have followed this story since the moment it broke out ... It's amazing as I've witnessed the blogosphere unfold the story, the amount of 'chinese whispers' getting compounded across multiples of postings, but in large the coverage across the internet has been fairly consistent ... but where the flipping hell are the main stream media? Trying to work out how to retract 5 years worth of propaganda I suspect!

 

The most important part however, now that the excitement over the leaked emails has subsided, is definitely the computer code that was leaked. As a software engineer, I'm absolutely appalled at the process that these so called "scientists" have been following. They've made a total balls over their datasets, to the point whereby the metadata required to accurately describe the data they were working with has been lost or destroyed. Fail.

 

A good point though, is whether the information was leaked and/or hacked. Apparently, it was more likely leaked, the story of a "hack" might very well be spin to cast doubts over the legal legitimacy of the published material. Either way- they have been reported to the Information Commissioner, as they appeared to have destroyed data relating to a freedom of information request after the request had been submitted to them, which basically means they're screwed.

 

Interesting link on that topic: http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/campaign/2009/11/cru-emails-reveal-inconvenient-truths-about-foi.html

 

On May 29th 2008, Prof Jones instructs colleagues to delete emails in a message helpfully titled "IPCC & FOI":

 

"Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise. He's not in at the moment - minor family crisis. Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don't have his new email address. We will be getting Caspar to do likewise."

 

AR4 is an IPCC report that Keith Briffa and others at the CRU worked on together, and at least one FoI request on exactly this correspondence had apparently been submitted by a David Holland on May 5th 2008.

 

The Freedom of Information Act 2000 expressly forbids - on pain of criminal conviction - destroying information that has been requested under FoI. As the Information Commissioner puts it:

 

If information is held when a FOIA request is received, destroying it outside of your normal records management policies will result in a breach of the Act. You must confirm that you hold the information and consider disclosure, subject to any exemption. It will also be a criminal offence to conceal or destroy information if this is done with the intention of preventing disclosure under either FOIA or EIR.

gotta love the climate change argument.

 

We are still in a ICE AGE, its been proven, all you have to do is look at the polar caps, they still have ice. even top scientists agree that the earth has lost all its ice at the caps about 15 times since the dinosaurs roamed the earth, in fact its also been proven that the earth is around 15degrees colder than it was around the time of the dinos.

 

only thing is, they tend not to disclose this information due to it having the opposite effect

 

The other thing i loved about all this climate change shenanigans, was people trying to put up a wind generator in there back garden, you do know you need planning permission for one yeah? that made me laugh my fkin ass off when me and the misses wanted one, they asked us to take it down due to not having planning permission....for a 2 inch pole with a damn wind mill on the top?

 

Then you get the price of a LPG conversion £1000+? hardly accessible for the masses (yes i know they pay for them selves in the long run, but sill)

 

also the one i love the most. "This is the warmest winter on record" if you move the months back by about 2, winter will have snow, spring will have flowers getting ready to bloom, summer will be hot... you get the idea.

Lol, going 'green' is definitely a booming industry riddled with excessive costs: whilst I was on holiday at the Woolacombe Bay Hotel a couple of weeks back I had the rare displeasure to endure day time telly for the first time in years. I was watching the BBC's working lunch, they had the Shell UK Chairman James Smith on the program, going on about Climate Change. He was palpably excited, you could see it in his eyes, practically beaming with zealous joy, especially when he proudly proclaimed that its the government's job to subsidise his business so that they can invest in technology to mitigate the damaging affects of climate change. Cringe!!!!!!

 

I was having a bad week last week (having put 55 hrs in at the office), when the HadleyCRU scandal broke ... after which I was jumping for joy!! :hyper:

on news watch now people have been writing in asking why they didnt do any coverage on the news with this story, and they came up with some bull5hit story

i dont believe its a purely man made problem.

 

dan.:)

The whole thing stinks.

I tried to restrict my c02 emission by cycling and walking, however i kept having to breath deeper, thus increasing my own c02 emissions.

Henceforth i am going to sit still in future + try not to fart, as apparently methane is an enviromental disaster too.Tongue firmly in cheek, but not too far..

Where does it all end?

I do believe we are approaching the death of the fast cars, and will all soon be reminiscing about the good old days of this era.

Enjoy them whilst you can.

The car tax thing pisses me off, i drive a performance car thus paying more road tax as it pumps out more crap than a 1 litre micra, but my house has a very low carbon footprint. All my bulbs are philps energy saving ones, any appliance not being used is unpluged, we have good double glazing throughout we don't use lots of gas or electric and we recycle as much as we can the list goes on. So i think the government need to sort out a way of reducing tax if you make an effort to make your home as energy efficient as you can. A guy could own a prius, pay £35 tax a year, but at home have a really crap efficiency rating. And proberly wastes and hurts the enviroment more than i do!

 

Rant over!

I read the other day that now the hole in the ozone layer now helps keep the artic cooler after them saying for years it was causing the earth to heat up by letting some sort of rays through they havent a clue :confused:

 

Jim