After drooling over the new Nissan GTR :bow: (yes it shall be mine)

 

I have to say that I think it is more realistically a sucessor to the Z32 than any skyline:-

 

Consider this:-

 

V6 twin turbo not an inline 6

2+2 coupe not a saloon

 

Also the original z32 concept was proposed at one point to be 4 wheel drive

 

so I say it is a Z not a GTR

 

Anyway whatever at £32,950 (current price in japan) I am getting in line NOW

The Skyline 2+2 is a coupe as well as the new GTR which is also a booted coupe rather than a hatch like the Z32, it also does not have t-tops AND it's not elegant and sleek. Yes, a 4x4 was considered with the Z32, but never made it to production, it did with the Skyline. I can't see the GTr ever being available in SWB or cabriolet versions either. I'd say other than the engine, it bares more similarities with the Skyline.

I have to respectfully disagreen as it is clearly designed as a sports coupe first and foremost with supercar performance for a decent price (£32,950 japanese launch price).

 

With that as the design intent is like history repeating all over again.

 

On your points the SWB was primarily for the US market as they don't 'get' 2+2's and the soft top version was never actually made by nissan. These only got going after it was clear that the US market was dominating sales.

 

I think that GTR has become such a powerful brand that it was decided early on to call it a GTR not the 400ZX

Also if you think the new GTR is not sleek check out its Cd figure. You got to concede it is a very modern design as was the Z32 in the late 80's

I have to respectfully disagreen as it is clearly designed as a sports coupe first and foremost with supercar performance for a decent price (£32,950 japanese launch price).

 

With that as the design intent is like history repeating all over again.

 

On your points the SWB was primarily for the US market as they don't 'get' 2+2's and the soft top version was never actually made by nissan. These only got going after it was clear that the US market was dominating sales.

 

I think that GTR has become such a powerful brand that it was decided early on to call it a GTR not the 400ZX

 

When I first saw it, my impressions were that it looked more Z'ish than skyline.

Well. If you can accept the 350Z is a Z33 and that is the natural successor to the Z32 then look at the Skyline GT30 which is and has been on the market for the last 6 years or so and is basically the same shape with different touches as the 350Z. That being the case then the Z32 / Skyline relationship has already started. So as for the new GTR being in some way similar to the Z32 its no surprise? Look at it from a marketing view. If Nissan can get all the Skyline owners and the Z32 / Z33 owners into one car, the overal costs of production will halve. A good plot by the Frenchpanese. :D

yeah you are right. Years ago the nissan corp had enough sports car buyers to support the pulsar GTR, 100nx, 200, 300 and skyline all at once. Now they will have the GTR and the 350Z. It just goes to show how much those stupid 4X4 Off road tonka toys have taken market share from the traditional sports car buyers.

 

I was a die-hard hanging on to my 300zx precisely because there was no replacement that I could relate to. In the meantime I bought an RX8 for the missus and waited for nissan to get their act together.

 

That was until now that is. They have done it and it is a stunner. 7.35 lap of the ring too.

I have always been a bit of a dreamer. But then so is everyone if they care to admit it. I like this new car and if the opportunity arose I would get one. I did used to aspire to getting a 350Z but as time went on the fondness dwindled. I have a skyline and a 300ZX now but the need for 2 cars as also dwindled. One nice replacement for the two would be the answer. But I aint got the odd £40K hanging around yet. :D

its 33k in japan so that is a bargain.

 

If you own a GTR AND a Z32 then by default you must have poured enough dosh into them both to afford the new GTR.

 

I know my own car collection costs me way more a year than i would spend depreciating the new GTR

Sorry, but I just can't see where you're getting the whole 'it looks like a Z32' from. When I first saw it, it was 'Skyline', especially from the back. I don't think, what ever anyone says that I'll associate the two except for the badge.

its 33k in japan so that is a bargain.

 

If you own a GTR AND a Z32 then by default you must have poured enough dosh into them both to afford the new GTR.

 

I know my own car collection costs me way more a year than i would spend depreciating the new GTR

 

I dont own a GTR. I have a GTS and a Z32. and a motorbike too. And yes I could afford to get one on the drip but thats more debt and my venture would be one of a financial slim down so what I meant is not the running costs but the initial outlay for the car. I have thought over the last couple of years about different cars, like I said I'm a dreamer but after my experiance with a brand new MGZT I will wait until any car has been proven before I buy and also avoid all those stupid taxes that you pay when buying new. :D

 

EDIT: But yes at that price it is a bargain. :D

LOL sorry mate but your MG experience would not bear any resemblence to any car made by nissan as in manufactured quality the japanese are light years ahead of everyone. I once 'had' to have brand new rovers (our company car scheme was based on them) every single one of them (over 12 cars in total) was a shed except for one 623 that was great. The rest all had serious and minor faults.

 

For earlier posters I was not in any way suggesting the new GTR looks like a 300 it does not. what I was suggesting was that mechanically and platform-wise it has far more in common with a 300 than the skyline. As for the thing that currently goes under the name skyline that is really a facelifted american G35 thing.

LOL sorry mate but your MG experience would not bear any resemblence to any car made by nissan as in manufactured quality the japanese are light years ahead of everyone. I once 'had' to have brand new rovers (our company car scheme was based on them) every single one of them (over 12 cars in total) was a shed except for one 623 that was great. The rest all had serious and minor faults.

 

For earlier posters I was not in any way suggesting the new GTR looks like a 300 it does not. what I was suggesting was that mechanically and platform-wise it has far more in common with a 300 than the skyline. As for the thing that currently goes under the name skyline that is really a facelifted american G35 thing.

 

You sound like an expert so I wont argue. :x:

There is now a sad twist though I read today that they are to inflate the 35k jap price to between 40k to 60k for the european market. :rant:

It was a spurious story about different HiFi and suspension set-up etc. (yeah right for a car that was developed in europe :confused: )

 

Me smells another rip-off britain story coming up :mad:

After drooling over the new Nissan GTR :bow: (yes it shall be mine)

 

I have to say that I think it is more realistically a sucessor to the Z32 than any skyline...

 

 

have to say i do agree.. i have always thought that the new gtr is z32-like; both were purpose built coupe platforms with v6 twin turbos combining class leading performance and high quality interior designs.

 

wish i could afford one! i think newera have put an ad on their site listing them as starting at circa 50k OTR.

its a skyline ffs. now stop arguing over a pointless debate. or ill have trouble sorting out which one of you is the fool ;)

its a skyline ffs. now stop arguing over a pointless debate. or ill have trouble sorting out which one of you is the fool ;)

 

Except its not a skyline ;) GTR is no longer a Skyline, Its a whole new seperate car.

 

IMO its the car the 350z should of been

Except its not a skyline ;) GTR is no longer a Skyline, Its a whole new seperate car.

 

IMO its the car the 350z should of been

 

....Or is going to be? :D

*Sigh* for teh love of god

IMO its the car the 350z should of been

 

I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more.

 

The 350 was never meant to be an evolution (or a direct replacement for) the Z32 - let's face it, there was a long gap in production between the 2, it was supposed to hark back to the original 240, and in my opinion it succeeded in putting Nissan sports car back on the credibility map.

 

The 350 is a fine car - maybe not *quite* as fast as the 300, and definitely not as comfortable, but where it did continue the Z tradition admirably was that in terms of bang for your buck (and build quality light years ahead of the Z32) was that it well and truly trumped all the competition in terms of performance, looks and driving experience. I'm pretty sure of that, because I tried them all out before I bought one.

 

I don't have it now, because I could no longer justify (or afford at the time) a sports car for my daily drive, and the reason I have a Z32 now is because it's used rarely (sadly) and hardly standard spec - I did miss the turbo rush after all!

 

As for the new GTR being a spiritual successor to the Z32 - maybe - but it's not a Z-car... And as far as I've been told, it's going to be sold at a massive premium in the UK (quelle surprise).

 

Mind you - the Z32 was never sold at the price point of the 350 when it was new, so who knows.

 

Just my 2p - but in my view the 350 did a whole lot to raise the profile of Z's generally and the Nissan brand. :smw:

Z32 isn't a true Z car anyway! The ZX range were GT cars whereas the Zs are sports cars.....

 

Just thought I'd point that out :D

I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more.

 

The 350 was never meant to be an evolution (or a direct replacement for) the Z32 - let's face it, there was a long gap in production between the 2, it was supposed to hark back to the original 240, and in my opinion it succeeded in putting Nissan sports car back on the credibility map.

 

The 350 is a fine car - maybe not *quite* as fast as the 300, and definitely not as comfortable, but where it did continue the Z tradition admirably was that in terms of bang for your buck (and build quality light years ahead of the Z32) was that it well and truly trumped all the competition in terms of performance, looks and driving experience. I'm pretty sure of that, because I tried them all out before I bought one.

 

I don't have it now, because I could no longer justify (or afford at the time) a sports car for my daily drive, and the reason I have a Z32 now is because it's used rarely (sadly) and hardly standard spec - I did miss the turbo rush after all!

 

As for the new GTR being a spiritual successor to the Z32 - maybe - but it's not a Z-car... And as far as I've been told, it's going to be sold at a massive premium in the UK (quelle surprise).

 

Mind you - the Z32 was never sold at the price point of the 350 when it was new, so who knows.

 

Just my 2p - but in my view the 350 did a whole lot to raise the profile of Z's generally and the Nissan brand. :smw:

 

That was my point....the Z33 was not an evolution of the Z32, but if it had been then this new GTR is it.

 

Although im Extremely surprised/shocked what you said about build quality, as that was always one area that was a real disappointment for me with the Z33 in comparison to the Z32.

As always these are only opinions but I was massively underwhelmed by the 350 and having had 100, 200, and 300 nissans on my drive at some time or another I was supposedly exactly the target market. At the time of launch my missus was in the market for a new sports car and she came home with the RX-8. She described the 350Z as all muscle and no finesse and be-moaning the lack of occasional rear seats plumped for the Mazda which has been an awesome purchase.

 

The new GTR is no way a 'skyline' and it if anything it seems to be trying to unify the nissan sports cars fans onto one platform. But for the price in the UK. It is a total joke when the JDM market is getting them for 35k. I mean ferchrissakes it was developed here in europe (cosworth did the engine, lotus the suspension and it was honed at the ring) if anything it should be cheaper here. We should start a campaign to keep nissan honest and avoid them alientating their core audience. If they think they are going to attract porsche 911 buyers out of their 'lifestyle' brand cars then they have got to be totally deluded. Just cause millions of playstation playing youths rate the GTR as a brand does not mean they will go buy them especially at over 35k. sub 40k I would have considered it but not at the price being quoted. If newera get rich importing these then something is drastically wrong at Nissan.