Funkysi Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6944526.stm?dynamic_vote=ON#vote_news_hys_airports_67845 These guys are muppets. I can understand their protest, but having national resource channeled towards it makes the country less secure. Police should be at the airports invigilating security, not watching a field of hippies making sure they don't do anything stupid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 Police should be at the airports invigilating security, not watching a field of hippies making sure they don't do anything stupid! Or even patrolling the streets so that innocent fathers don't get beaten to death - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/6945248.stm - :rant: :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Saz Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 irony is they all turned up in vans, very good for the environment im sure!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey099 Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 Tacticle bombing strike is in order here me thinks, The less propaganda spreading idiots in the world the better, Climate change is natural (imo) and F-all we can do about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkysi Posted August 14, 2007 Author Share Posted August 14, 2007 irony is they all turned up in vans, very good for the environment im sure!! Reminds me when I was driving my Z through Glastonbury last year on the way back from an MOT. I was sat waiting to join a road with pedestrians milling around. One of which saw me sat there with the car burbling away, thought it was in her best interest to moan at me because my car was a 'big gas guzzler'. She said, 'stop polluting the air with that car'. So I leaned out of the window and told her to "STF and stop polluting my ears with the crap coming out of your mouth". A few by-standers started laughing at this point, to which I made a silly commend about 'her types' and the knackered old vans they ride round in, which pump out 20 times more crap than my Z ever would. She walked off in a huff then. I just smiled sweetly and drove on my merry way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Saz Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 They ought to get the Benefit fraud officers there, make some good come out of it as im sure a good few will be on the screw!! Could get Job centre plus there to, to tell them the benfits of getting a job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joely P Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 They ought to get the Benefit fraud officers there, make some good come out of it as im sure a good few will be on the screw!! Could get Job centre plus there to, to tell them the benfits of getting a job :rofl: :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deve8uk Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 think of all teh poor wild flowers tehy are killing in that feild. on the other hand, i dont think any are terrorists and they are being treated as such, being photographed etc, for what, standing up and saying that air travel is a concern to teh environment. What I have concerns about is how is a company allowed to dictate laws, I find that a lot more disturbing. In fact I find that down right worying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkysi Posted August 14, 2007 Author Share Posted August 14, 2007 think of all teh poor wild flowers tehy are killing in that feild. on the other hand, i dont think any are terrorists and they are being treated as such, being photographed etc, for what, standing up and saying that air travel is a concern to teh environment. What I have concerns about is how is a company allowed to dictate laws, I find that a lot more disturbing. In fact I find that down right worying. I think you're missing the point. Having any numbers of unauthorised people that close to a security controlled environment is always a cause for concern. Anyone remember swampy...when things got out of hand? They could cause an issue if things turn nasty, we've all see how nasty animal rights activists get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Saz Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 they will all be too bloody stoned to cause any trouble all the flighst will be delayed due to the layer of green smoke forming over Heathrow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest letsgodrag Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 think of all teh poor wild flowers tehy are killing in that feild. on the other hand, i dont think any are terrorists and they are being treated as such, being photographed etc, for what, standing up and saying that air travel is a concern to teh environment. What I have concerns about is how is a company allowed to dictate laws, I find that a lot more disturbing. In fact I find that down right worying. I totally agree. Did they really need to use up some many resource's to watch a group of peacefull protesters who have the right to protest. At least they weren't beating people to death or runing wild down the street drinking and throwing bottles throw old folks front room window's and keying people's Zeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkysi Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 I totally agree. Did they really need to use up some many resource's to watch a group of peacefull protesters who have the right to protest. At least they weren't beating people to death or runing wild down the street drinking and throwing bottles throw old folks front room window's and keying people's Zeds. I think you're missing the point. Having any numbers of unauthorised people that close to a security controlled environment is always a cause for concern. Anyone remember swampy...when things got out of hand? They could cause an issue if things turn nasty, we've all see how nasty animal rights activists get. ^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0n1xX3r Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Ah come on guys, change the record eh? Not everyone who gives a damn about the environment is a "hippy", and I suspect a lot of those people aren't hippies either. And 1800 officers to deal with a protest of 2000 people? That's nearly a 1 to 1 ratio, which is just ridiculous. The police have a choice about how the react to and deal with situations like this. Yes, 1800 officers is a waste of police time, and undoubtedly they could be doing better things, but that's hardly the protesters fault: as I said, the decision about how to deal with such a situation lies with the police, and in this case I'd have to suggest they've decided unwisely, however I suspect this is less about security than about sending a "message" and trying to discourage legitimate protest, because of course that makes everybody's lives easier, right? Or actually, on reflection maybe they're just being stupid: "never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkysi Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 and I suspect a lot of those people aren't hippies either. No? They bloody look it! :rofl: ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Saz Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 i think they want to get a life personally, get a petition together ffs, any excuse to do naff all as usual. The majority are bloody hypocrites, they will all turn the gas up when it gets cold, drive their knackered old vans about, possibly those who work will al go on holiday and will have got on a plane at some point in their lives. So if they are not all hippies they are all hypocrites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpob Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 All this talk of green house gasses is a joke its the governments way of getting more money from us the world has a natural cycle of warm and cold,co2 is just a trace element in our atmosophere and you know what gives off the most co2? sea water,this climate change is crap lets get more money off the stupid public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyB Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 And Pardon me for asking but wtf aren't they work ? Or are those of us who do work paying their benefit so they can go and prottest ? Get the DWP inspectors down there ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markzx Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 I've got to agree with Chris (Deve8) on this. It just shows that big business is in control. I personally don't agree with their view point, but they have every right to hold it and i would always support that right. Once companies and individuals are able to quash and silence people from expressing opinions in a democratic way then Democracy is dead and Buried. The scale of the Police presence is soley to intimidate. If you ring the Police and tell them that 2 armed men have broken into your house they can't even send a copper round and if they do it will be 48 hours later. An airline company ring up and say " we have a load of people exercising their lawful democratic right to peacefully protest" and the old bill can come up with 2000 coppers just like that to try and stop them. What does that tell you of how much the state values us. These people arn't terrorist and have made no attempt to storm the place. They have even been through due legal procces and been told they have a lawful legal right to carry out the protest. How much do you value democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 I completely agree that its their right to protest,etc and so they should. On the other hand 'mass direct action' is more than a good reason to mobilise that many police officers. The place is one of the number one spots in the whole world for the next terrorist attack, which is still considered imminent. What happens if all these people over run police and make a 'peaceful protest' by entering the airport grounds. All it takes is a few of the wrong people to join in with all the peaceful protestors and use it as cover to enter the airport and set off bombs,etc. It may seem like over reaction to what the protesters have in mind but the threat of what could happen is hideous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrawni Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 This is just one of those times when people get fed up with being told what to think, what to do and when to do it. Hippies are the only people who are able to protest in such a way because they don't have jobs to go to and don't have the restraints of everyday life to deal with. I am in agreement with those who are commenting about the powers at be controling a peaceful protest, and I wouldn't even call it a protest but rather making their voice heard, after all how many pertitians have been ignored. As for making them work, well alot of them don't claim benifits, not as many as pikies and teenage pregnant chavettes, they drop out of society because they don't like the way it is run and all power to those that do. If anyone is concerned about security well, send in the army and put the copper back on the streets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markzx Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 I completely agree that its their right to protest,etc and so they should. On the other hand 'mass direct action' is more than a good reason to mobilise that many police officers. The place is one of the number one spots in the whole world for the next terrorist attack, which is still considered imminent. What happens if all these people over run police and make a 'peaceful protest' by entering the airport grounds. All it takes is a few of the wrong people to join in with all the peaceful protestors and use it as cover to enter the airport and set off bombs,etc. It may seem like over reaction to what the protesters have in mind but the threat of what could happen is hideous. If you had read any of the background to this protest or even seen the channel 4 new program dedicated to it last week you'd realise they ain't going in. + If that was the fear then 3 or 4 well placed water cannon inside the perimiter fence and half the number of coppers tucked out the way would be able to stop people getting in. Also they have be organised to that location so as to be easily managable precisely to minimise any threat of that happening. A 1 on 1 Police presence is about intimidation. Just look a what horrific damage that could be done at a football stadium. + At grounds Like Man utd that hold in excess of 70,000 people. A number of which who are known to exhibbit unruley and unlawful behavour and I'll wager that less than a 500 coppers Police that. Why? Is it because it would cause less deverstating loss of life? I think not. Or is it because the Airline companies would seek greater financial compensation for loss of profits? Just don't get me started. You being an ex Marine as well will know just what is going on out in Basra and Helman. We know we need security, but for who and what? don't you think the priorities and resorces are being control by the wrong people for the benifit of a few. Thats why we must support the right to protest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Don't take me the wrong way for being an ex Marine Mark, I have had the same conversation with my missus many times. She took part in the anti-Iraq marches in london before the war out there. Half a million people or something like that took part in the protest and hardly an inch of coverage in the papers, its not hard to figure out what is going on there. My position is one of complete agreement with the right to protest; its a democracy and thats part of the deal; however I also think that in the case of peace protesters (shouldn't it be war-protesters?!) the people who are passionate about these things are in the majority of cases very blind or ignorant to the reality of the situations they protest about, and the people who are involved in it. Most have no idea about the cultures and attitudes of people and government in these countries and have even less of a clue about the security and political situations that have resulted in the wars. I havn't seen the documentary about the protesters (we don't have a TV) so no I don't know the background or the stated intentions. I've not got much time either for the socialist life that they (seemingly unknowingly?) advocate. I completely agree that we need to change the way we live however. The Co2 thing seems to be a red herring, but at least it raises awarness about other real enviromental concerns such as pollution, species diversity, extinction, and climate change (in whatever form/cause) ,etc. Also stating the fact that the Co2 thing appears to be propaganda is not a viable excuse for being blind to everything else that is happening on the planet. Excuse me if I'm going on....:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkysi Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 Just heard on the radio that police had to forcibly remove a group of protesters who chained themselves to security gates and Biggin Hill airport. Tell ya what, if those fukkers stop me from going on holiday next week which I seriously need at the moment, I'll go to work on each and every one of them with a carving knife! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Saz Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 just wave a spliff in their faces Si they soon unchain themselves MAN!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 On a slight tangent, I used to swim in Plymouth Sound. I went for a swim one day whilst people were protesting about the nuclear subs. They had a big sign on a building out on Drakes Island. I swam out to the island, about 3/4 mile I guess, to say hello. It was a lovely evening and I rocked up at the island and a few of them met me and invited me into where they were camped out. They offered me a cuppa and had a chat. We didn't talk about where I'd come from (swam from the Royal Marine camp) but not many people swim a couple of miles in the sea on an evening so they probably suspected. They were a mixture of all sorts in there, from single mums to career protestors, old and young, but all very friendly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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