You may have seen a discussion on the Silverstone thread about the PARADE speed. A number of members, including myself, have expressed concerns that the maximum planned speed of 100mph is unsafe for such a large number of cars (maybe 170+), many of which will have non-experienced drivers.

 

I appreciate that many of you could cope with this speed comfortably and safely, but being surrounded by inexperienced drivers could, in my opinion, be a danger to us all.

 

I am therefore posting this POLL to ask those of you who plan to attend the Silverstone Show to vote on what you consider the MAXIMUM parade speed should be. You may vote only once and your vote will NOT be made public.

 

Bear in mind that there is a seperate 'track' event specifically for Zeds when the speeds will be unlimited. I believe these laps should be used by those wanting to have a burn-up but the PARADE laps should be just that, a parade to show off our beautiful Zeds to the general public (and beat that 108 skylines record).

 

Cheers - Dave

I think 80mph on the straights and 60mph round the bigger corners is reasonable

please bear in mind Dave and everyone voting on the poll that this speed is once down one straight. the speed around the rest of the track is around 60mph and less where necessary, as explained in the 'main thread'.

Sounds bloody lethal to me. Last think you need is 100+ nutters on a circuit simultaneously, 50mph max I reckon. As it's a parade lap it'll be behind a pace car anyway, like any classic parade (I hope).

Sounds bloody lethal to me. Last think you need is 100+ nutters on a circuit simultaneously, 50mph max I reckon. As it's a parade lap it'll be behind a pace car anyway, like any classic parade (I hope).

 

Yes, there will be a pace car, but it will 'pace' at 100mph down the main straight (as pointed out by SkylineDave).

Sorry Dave, but I won't vote, as, like I've said on the other thread, I'm out for good, no longer bothered even if the speed is reduced. The damage to, what should of been a promotional event for the entire Z community, is done as far as I'm concerned. A mis-managed, selfish approach and lack of concern for those less proficient at circuit driving is not what this event wanted.

 

I really do hope that everything runs smoothly for all concerned, as I'm sure it probably will (well it had better)!

 

 

And for anyone who doesn't agree with me, well that's your opinion, but I'm not saying another word on the subject (unless it's in private via PM only).

Have i missed something? :confused:

Have i missed something? :confused:

 

blimey! :( im sorry you feel that way Dave. the event is still 4+ months away and im sure there are still details to be set in stone. if the majority vote for a slower speed then hopefully it will be acted upon. i know youre not going to reply but this fantastic event is being made out to be some kind of demolition derby. :(

I personally believe this has been exploded out of all proportion, the speed is a maximum not a expected speed, it is up to you on the day what speed you will travel down that straight and no overtaking is allowed on a parade lap. Your concern about doing 100mph( if that is your want)with a unknown driver beside you is founded but I have to question about motorway driving and the speeds we overtake hundreds of unknown drivers every day.

 

Only my opinion

I personally believe this has been exploded out of all proportion, the speed is a maximum not a expected speed, it is up to you on the day what speed you will travel down that straight and no overtaking is allowed on a parade lap. Your concern about doing 100mph( if that is your want)with a unknown driver beside you is founded but I have to question about motorway driving and the speeds we overtake hundreds of unknown drivers every day.

 

Only my opinion

 

Hi Retro620ti - Like myself, you are perfectly entitled to your point of view and I would expect you to reflect this with your vote. But I must point out that 100mph IS the EXPECTED speed which the pace car will do down the main straight. There will certainly be 'peer' pressure on drivers wanting to travel at, say, 60mph down the main straight, with other cars breathing down their neck wanting to do the maximum 100mph. No overtaking may be the rule but I can't see that being adhered too under those circumstances, tailgating adding greatly to the potential danger.

Motorway driving is in marked lanes and I don't consider overtaking a slower car at 70mph is a dangerous activity - if a speed merchant comes steaming up behind in your lane it is relatively simple to pull over and let them by. This cannot happen on the Silverstone parade lap.

My ONLY concern is safety. I don't want there to be a thread after Silverstone discussing a tragedy that could have been avoided by common sense.

I personally believe this has been exploded out of all proportion, the speed is a maximum not a expected speed, it is up to you on the day what speed you will travel down that straight and no overtaking is allowed on a parade lap. Your concern about doing 100mph (if that is your want) with a unknown driver beside you is founded but I have to question about motorway driving and the speeds we overtake hundreds of unknown drivers every day.

 

Couldn't have put it better myself, thank you.

I think Dave has read "maximum" as a mandatory speed all the way round. It is not that and I have never even come close to stating that. Heck I see there were cars doing well over 100mph in the recent tunnel run!

 

On the Parade Lap no overtaking is allowed and it is a very wide track (anyone who has ever driven there will testify to that) and it is strictly in order controlled by acredited marshals.

 

Dave I have no idea why you persist in this ongoing pursuit. Unless I am mistaken you clearly have never driven in a parade lap nor driven at high speeds at Silverstone, let alone organised anything like this at this or any other venue. We have - on all counts!

 

My only concern now is that you may decide to take matters into your own hands on the day and intentionally drive slowly thus forcing one lane to move at a higher speed whilst the rest back up behind you. Those behind you will be forced to overtake (against the rules) or will stay in line and may well (after three laps) be caught by the approacing front cars. Neither of which are desirable.

 

I have ansered your questions on several occasions and on every occasion you have disagreed with my answer. That is your right. It is not compulsory to join in. Silverstone is a 13m wide track (minimum requirements for all modern F1 tracks). The standard motorway lane width in the UK is 3.65m which means Silverstone is almost like a four lane motorway in terms of width and will have only two lanes of traffic.

 

I have read (again) your concerns and believe that you will not be satisfied with anything other than it being run completely on your terms, regardlessof the opinions of the majority of other members, professionals and qualified members of the organising team.

It is posts like this one from Fuggles that really worries me, personal attacks are totally out of order in this situation, we should be concentrating on having a safe and successful event at Silverstone. Why don't the organisers agree with this? It is me who is polling the members for their opinion.

 

This type of 'off topic' post by Fuggles should be discussed by pm not on open forum, but unfortunately he is not a subscribed member.

 

Please cut through all the shite and vote for what you think, if the majority want high speed then so be it, we all have minds of our own and can decide what to do if we feel unsafe about the majority decision.

There is nothing off topic and nothing I have said is a personal attack, if you believe that then I apologise. I have merely stated what I believe is your limited experience in such matters. By all means correct me if I am wrong and again I apologise if I am.

There is nothing off topic and nothing I have said is a personal attack, if you believe that then I apologise. I have merely stated what I believe is your limited experience in such matters. By all means correct me if I am wrong and again I apologise if I am.

 

Thank you for your apology, now lets get on with ensuring the Silverstone Show is safe and successful.

Hi Dave

After my initial thoughts re why you could not have PMed me regarding the posting of the poll on reflection I would now like to thank you for posting it up

 

With regards to concerns to safety I have just asked Fuggles If the parade laps and track time had been approved by the relevent parties and he informed me

 

It had beeen signed of by Silverstone, The Motorsports Association UK and the relevant Health and Safty Department

 

Part of the H/S is that the driver of the pace car is ARDS qualified and there will be an observer on board who will be in radio contact at all times with the track marshalls and the rear car in the parade

 

 

Would ould also like to say that I have not voted in the poll (just edited this in)

im considering attending this and in all honesty reading this is off putting, i for one would not be able to handle speeds of up to 100mph as im sure many wouldnt (even if they say they can) how many attendees are trained racing drivers??

 

I would also not feel safe surrounded on a track by 170 cars travelling at speed knowing the majority of drivers possibly werent profficient drivers, the idea is to celebrate the Zed not put them at jeapordy of damage, that would certainly not be how the clubs wished the event to be remembered, by damage or even worse a fatality

 

 

just my opinion

It should be noted that the ultimate organisation of this event is governed by the safety of all participants.

 

It is emphasised that you will be participating in a parade not a race and, as such, the pace car control will be aiming to maintain speeds that participants will feel comfortable with.

 

Bear in mind that there will be all facets of Z preparation represented - from bog standard 35 year old 240Zs through to race machinery that will be thoroughly at home on a track.

 

The aim will not be to make anyone feel pressurised to maintain unrealistic speeds which are unrepresentative of their car's ability or their personal ability.

Hi Steve - Thanks for comments but it is important for you to vote as everyone's opinions ar valid and carry weight in the poll. Remember the individual votes are NOT public.

 

Hi fairladyzgirl - Please don't be put off from attending this historic event, it's going to be a great day. Hold your decision until this matter has been resolved as I am sure common sense will prevail. Please vote for the same reasons I've stated to Steve

 

Dave

i hate to be the materialistic weasel of the group but i must ask about insurance on tthe track? do we have to notify our ins company or is there extra ins to take on the day,

 

as regards to speed if i understand it correctly the track is stated to be 13m wide with only 2 lanes of traffic, i hope this means side by side, so if the pace car is 60 all way round the track but 100 on the long straight & there is a great amount of space between everyone then yes im happy with that, problem is when the cars bunch together that is what bother me the most, i understand no overtaking but is there a minimum distance in front or behind the cars??

We are working with Competition Car Insurance for a special deal for the day.

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You may have seen a discussion on the Silverstone thread about the PARADE speed. A number of members, including myself, have expressed concerns that the maximum planned speed of 100mph is unsafe for such a large number of cars (maybe 170+), many of which will have non-experienced drivers.

 

I appreciate that many of you could cope with this speed comfortably and safely, but being surrounded by inexperienced drivers could, in my opinion, be a danger to us all.

 

I am therefore posting this POLL to ask those of you who plan to attend the Silverstone Show to vote on what you consider the MAXIMUM parade speed should be. You may vote only once and your vote will NOT be made public.

 

Bear in mind that there is a seperate 'track' event specifically for Zeds when the speeds will be unlimited. I believe these laps should be used by those wanting to have a burn-up but the PARADE laps should be just that, a parade to show off our beautiful Zeds to the general public (and beat that 108 skylines record).

 

Cheers - Dave

A realistic parade speed should be around 40-60 mph. 100mph is 50% the speed they do at Daytona.

Blimey, there are so many experts on here who actually KNOW what speed it should be. Guess they've arranged and run more than me?

 

Now, sarcasm dropped...............

 

Luffield 1 and 2 - the top D1 cars turn in at about 105mph. There is no way any street car would make it round that bend at anything approaching that speed. The whole parade will be behind a pace car and a camera car and will be at speeds to keep it safe and also make it a great spectacle. The pace car driver is one I have worked with before and is an MSA approaved marshal. He knows what he is doing. The MAX speed is the headromm, it IS NOT a desired speed and it most certainly will not be the whole parade speeed. IF we reach that speed it will be in one section of one of the long straights, nothing more.

 

This is not mandatory, you do not have to take part, you can come to JTS and wtach if that is your preference.

 

I hope that puts into perspective this discussion

 

Thank you

Sounds like a storm in a teacup to me, if you don't like going fast then don't,hope this hasn't put you off john and keep up the good work :)

I hav'nt voted on this im sitting on the fence on this one. But i can see the argument on both sides, we have to expect most zed owners are proud of their machines and a little common sense by the owners should prevail and no one will deliberately jeopardise their cars, if they are seen to be driving like a twat or its felt they are putting someone in danger then they should pay a hefty fine? Just a thought

It appears to me that a lot of unnecessary fuss is being made over this. We have been invited to hold a PARADE lap to celebrate 30 years of the Z marque. that means hopefully 100 + cars driving in a PARADE arouind the circuit. You will drive behind a pace car and unless you are the front two cars you will drive behind everyone else in front of you. you only go as fast as you want, you can't overtake just maintain your position in the PARADE and enjoy it. IT'S NOT A RACE.

 

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