Elmo Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 What a set of TW@TS with Feck all else to do..w@nkers you had to watch it to understand ....... shithouses :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRRAE Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Hold on, the stopped bikes doing over 100mph in a 50 zone! Too right too. They also had illegal number plates. Yeah you all think its only a minor thing. How would you feel if your son or daughter was knocked over by a speeding car with loads of witnesses and not 1 could tell the police the number plate because it was in a fancy font, or italic writing or really small, like the ones on the bikes where. They stopped cars which had no tax and where wanted for other things and they where not only just out of date. They where 4, 5 months out of date. 1 person obviously had been steeling tax discs and had 3 different discs and none where for his car. Only thing I thought was a little dubious was the person going through the orange/red light. But giving the bike the once over was a good idea as it found a part where the front mud flap was rubbing away the brake cable. I didnt see anything wrong with the program Stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Posted June 4, 2003 Author Share Posted June 4, 2003 Yeah point taken about WHAT IF but hardly the crime of the century having a fancy number plate.Surely that makes the vehicle more recognisable ??? The mudflap was rubbing away the outer coating of the cable . I think the amoured sleeving would have worn the mudflap away before causing a cable failure ...IMO What about when they refused to let the lad with the scooter ride it away because it had a partially insecure seat...where do they think the seat is going when he has his arse on it ?? Have you never speeded ??? within reason.... I was done for speeding doing 58mph at 9:30 at night on a road that was normally a 70 but because they were cutting the grass during the day had a 50mph limit on it. And were to lazy to put the cones away at night the restriction stayed in force..is that fair ?? i didn't think so..... Speed limits are in need of updating..70mph was enforced when most cars struggled to do that speed...unlike todays cars.. Speed ramps and speed cameras for safety ? more like a way of funding money...... Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisC Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Didn't know they had made that plate recognition system mobile :eek: Not good knowing they can now follow you and it will automatically point out to them if the car in front has no tax, insurance, registered keeper or if the driver is wanted for anything at all! :confused: With this information they can pull you for almost anything, the implications are huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRRAE Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 How can I personal numberplate make a car stand out more? Some one gets knocked over and witnesses say it was a Silver Corsa with a fancy number plate. Do you really think that will stand up in court IF they find the Corsa in the first place, as they have no idea of who owns it or where they live. Some people wont even to tell what make the car is. But if they say small car and give the colour Reg year and the 3 numbers, they have a better chance catching them You goto a Cruise and look at how many Corsas have fancy plates. LOADS! As for the automatic detection on cars. Keep your tax upto date and the car is registered and you have no problems. Its not hard to make sure you have tax. Considering you can actually buy the Tax disc 2 weeks before it runs out. There are no excuses. As for the Scooter with the lose seat. If some one was on the back of it and it stopped really quicky. Thier arse would be in the air because of the force. The rider would be OK because they are holding onto the handle bars but the passenger who is holding on to the strap on the seat would come off the bike becuase the seat is not attached. Stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRRAE Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Originally posted by Elmo Speed limits are in need of updating..70mph was enforced when most cars struggled to do that speed Dave Wrong!!! National speed limit used to be unlimited. No speed limit, then cars came out which could so 100+bhp, so they changed it to 70mph. A Corsa GSI top speed is 130mph, but you telling me that the car is totally stable at that speed? Is it stable at 100mph? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC 1 Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Was at work so I missed it. IMHO 70mph is bollocks on todays motorways! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eric Manktelow Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Trouble is most people do 80 in a 70 limit, raise it to 80 and do you think people will stick to 80? No most people will be doing 90+ and so on. Also cars are very good at stopping from 70mph, but it still takes 100's of feet...(Can't remember the exact stopping distance ;) ) Put the speed limit up and the braking distances go up lots. You can't tell me everyone that sits behind you on the motorway is leaving enough braking distance at 70mph. (I know people behind you generally aren't an issue in a Zed but I'm talking about legal speeds here ;) ) The one thing I always do on the motorway is leave braking distance between me and the car in front because, my brakes would struggle to stop a jelly at 5mph let alone a 1.5 ton car at 70mph+ and secondly because you don't need to tailgate in a zed to overtake, it's got instant acceleration at any speed so there's no reason not to keep your distance wait for the car in front to move out the way then go past them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john-boy Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Originally posted by Eric Manktelow Also cars are very good at stopping from 70mph, but it still takes 100's of feet...(Can't remember the exact stopping distance ;) ) I'm pretty sure in the Highway Code it was 315 feet (well, it was when I took my test) .. mind you, if memory serves me correctly this was done in something like a Ford Anglia with brakes that are bettered by the average pushbike, these days!!! :D:D I take your point about raising the speed limit, it's a tough one, but I do agree that there ought to be some common sense applied to whether or not it's necessary to stop/fine a driver ... I very rarely see cars pulled over at the side of the motorway these days (allowing for a simple warning), but in contrast, if there's a mobile laser camera installed on your local bridge, I'm pretty sure they zap everyone they can, rather than taking account of road conditions etc. It's a racket :mad: As for ANPR (number plate recognition) - I agree totally with SRRAE on this one - nothing to hide nothing to worry about, and I'd like to know that, if, heaven forbid some b'stard decided to take my Z without my permission, there'd be a network of cameras capable of immediately flagging up its whereabouts. I suppose the question of whether anyone would bother to do anything about it is a whole different issue! :D CheerZ, John-Boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillieO Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Think the Italians have just gone for a 90mph limit but then they were already doing about 30mph above that. Anyway is the big 4X4s you got to worry about - they can do 120 but cant stop then you face a 2.5 tonne missile coming at you. Talk about WMD's! Even Richard branson turned his range rover over at speed - but he thought "great car i didnt get hurt"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest witchdoctor Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Dont mind police doing their job as these insurance and road tax evaders cost us, as said, if all is above board whats the worry. I do however hate the cams, even a few miles over can get a flash and you could easily do 4 in one week. The other complaint is the hidden mobile lasers, thought they had to make themselves visable from 100 yards, very popular on the M6 at the moment and you cant see them till your underneath the bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRRAE Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Originally posted by WillieO Even Richard branson turned his range rover over at speed - but he thought "great car i didnt get hurt"! No but the family in the Mica which it could have crushed would have been killed though. Any one see that car program when they got a few 4x4 driving down a runway at 50mph and the driver swerved as hard as he could. All but 1 fell over. Anyway is the big 4X4s you got to worry about - they can do 120 but cant stop then you face a 2.5 tonne missile coming at you Thats very true. These 4X4s can go very fast because they have big engines. They are not really desgined to go that fast and they are deffinatly not designed to stop from that speed. Stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyP Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 So did John Virgo and he got away with it too (although I was in the queue on the M4 behind his mess for about 2 hours) Didn't do Cozy Powell much good though did it ! Originally posted by WillieO Anyway is the big 4X4s you got to worry about - they can do 120 but cant stop then you face a 2.5 tonne missile coming at you. Talk about WMD's! Even Richard branson turned his range rover over at speed - but he thought "great car i didnt get hurt"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andyduff Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 The arguement about people increasing their speed if the limit is increased makes me laugh tbh. Do you REALLY and HONESTLY think that they are sitting looking at their speedo calculating what 30mph on top of the speed limit is? :D They are driving at a speed which is comfortable for them. The limits in use on todays roads are rediculous. Built up area, 30mph no more. Anything else, why bother? Country lanes - do you really need to be told the speed you are allowed to drive? WTF are we doing with 40/50 limits? Who decided that one? Up the speed limit on the motorways and people will still drive at 90mph - not 120mph! Braking distances don't really come into effect on motorways either - when was the last time a child ran out on you on the motorway or when was the last time the lights suddenly changed to red? :D The distance you follow the car in front though IS important! If you run into the back of someone on a motorway, then keep your fingers crossed no one else slams into you - 70mph/100mph/300mph it won't make ANY difference.... ;) CheerZ, Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest x-biker Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Originally posted by andyduff The arguement about people increasing their speed if the limit is increased makes me laugh tbh. Do you REALLY and HONESTLY think that they are sitting looking at their speedo calculating what 30mph on top of the speed limit is? :D They are driving at a speed which is comfortable for them. The limits in use on todays roads are rediculous. Built up area, 30mph no more. Anything else, why bother? Country lanes - do you really need to be told the speed you are allowed to drive? WTF are we doing with 40/50 limits? Who decided that one? Up the speed limit on the motorways and people will still drive at 90mph - not 120mph! Braking distances don't really come into effect on motorways either - when was the last time a child ran out on you on the motorway or when was the last time the lights suddenly changed to red? :D The distance you follow the car in front though IS important! If you run into the back of someone on a motorway, then keep your fingers crossed no one else slams into you - 70mph/100mph/300mph it won't make ANY difference.... ;) CheerZ, Andy Yup, you've hit the nail on the head there pal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRRAE Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 I was in an accident when some one hit our Escort (A new one at the time) at 70mph in a motor way accident. We where stationary as we hit a bus. I crawled into the foot pace of the rear of the car and it was a good job I did. The car hit us so hard that the rear seats where buckled because the boot had actaully been squashed so much it was pushed through the back seats. If I was sitting in the seat I would have been badly hurt maybe killed. If they hit the car at an extra 10mph the boot would have come even more in, another 20 even 30 and the force would have been enough to push the boot upto behind the front seats where I would have been killed. Isn't the force of a car doubled every 5mph or something? It's something like that. Stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillieO Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 cos the last thing to go through your mind will be your ar5se! Seriously tho drive defensively out there and safely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillieO Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 I was trying to respond the previous post - real time here posts thick and fast!! I was in an accident when some one hit our Escort (A new one at the time) at 70mph in a motor way accident. We where stationary as we hit a bus. Stuart - "we were stationary as we hit a bus" - try that in your claim form! You did well surviving a 70mph shunt from behind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRRAE Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Hehehe. Sorry. We hit a stationary bus. ;) The bus actually hit a coach which stopped in the middle lane. We hit that then we got hit. Yeap it was a serious one. I think 5 people died. And as I said, if I didnt actually crawl into the foot space at the rear, I personally think I would be in a wheel chair as the seat where all mangled. Plus they where had lap belts which I hated and never used them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevz Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Originally posted by Elmo What a set of TW@TS with Feck all else to do..w@nkers you had to watch it to understand ....... shithouses :mad: People used to join the police because they were interested in the job, it seems now that they join because its so easy/cushy driving around all day harrassing motorists and getting paid fat wads for doing it. Yes we need law enforcement on the roads but they just take the piss these days. Did anyone read the daily mail today? Front page headlines - photo of a police van parked half on pavement half in cycle lane on double yellows, with his speed gun out catching 'dangerous' speeding motorists. He was causing more of a danger than anyone he could have nicked. I bet off duty cops all stick to speed limits aswell:rolleyes: Fookin hypocrites . As for 70 on a motorway, fine if its busy or raining. But i dont think speeding is black and white, whats wrong with doing 100 if theres fook all else around ?? what a criminal i am ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matz Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Originally posted by Trevz daily mail Daily mail? Daily Mail? There's a publication not fit to wipe my a*se on! I hate it's middle of the road, zenophobic, little England, antiques roadshow on a Sunday afternoon and a crumpet, small minded, dogs on a decorative plate stance. Pants. Sorry for the rant, that's gin fior you. GIN GIN GIN GIN! Where's that sweaty fox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 I have always used small and number plates on bikes and always will. If I am going to be snooped on by underhand methods then I have the right to protect myself in any way possible. If it wasnt for the cameras then there would be no need for this. You can not stop doing the things you enjoy because of "what ifs" what if I have an accident what if someone runs me over what if I break my leg playing football what if I have fish n chips and choke to death on a bone lifes to short to worry about this stuff, Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRRAE Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Originally posted by paulg You can not stop doing the things you enjoy because of "what ifs" what if I have an accident what if someone runs me over what if I break my leg playing football what if I have fish n chips and choke to death on a bone lifes to short to worry about this stuff, Paul So if some one runs you over and cripples you, you are fine about it then? Personally I would want the to be caught. If you dont speed there no need to have a small plate. Obviously you do speed because you try to avoid getting caught. Stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andyduff Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Originally posted by SRRAE So if some one runs you over and cripples you, you are fine about it then? Personally I would want the to be caught. If you dont speed there no need to have a small plate. Obviously you do speed because you try to avoid getting caught. Stuart How do you define speeding? Speeding, in my mind, is driving too fast for the conditions, NOT driving faster than some jumped up little sh1t in a suit has decided will be slow enough to earn as much revenue as possible! Unfortunately for the police, it is now turning into a 'them and us' situation - it will take a long time if they want to earn their respect back... CheerZ, Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRRAE Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Originally posted by andyduff How do you define speeding? Speeding, in my mind, is driving too fast for the conditions, NOT driving faster than some jumped up little sh1t in a suit has decided will be slow enough to earn as much revenue as possible! Unfortunately for the police, it is now turning into a 'them and us' situation - it will take a long time if they want to earn their respect back... CheerZ, Andy Acutally I agree with that. After all this about the amublance driver with the speeding fine. If a police car pulled him they they would have probably given him a escort to the hospital, but I dont think any one would have been stupid enough to pull him over. One Christmas day my friend was on an empty motor way doing 90 in the middle lane when a police car pulled infront of him and the sign flashed up pull over. Thinking he was gonna get done for speeding he started to pull over into the layby. As soon as he entered the inside lane the message changed to "Thank You" and the police car sped off. That is how it should be done. But personally if he was doing 100mph I think he should have been pulled over, but 90 on an empty motorway for me is safe. One of the best speed camera I have found and have been caught by it was in Southport. I just came off a national speedlimit road onto a very very wide road. Not knowing the limit I drove about 36mph. About 100yards down the road there was a one of the signs that light up and warn you of fog and other things. The sign said. "Limit 30, Your speed 36. Please Slow Down" Now that worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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