Good evening,

 

I'm looking at getting a 300zx. Now the question I have is this.

 

For the NA owners, are you happy with your Z? Do you have regrets for not getting the TT?

Views either way appreciated.

Generally the na will have the same low grunt, but when you get to high RPMS it doesn't give you that extra whoosh the turbos will when accelerating.

 

But then with nas there is less to go wrong, and easier to work on.

If you love acceleration nothing else will do, if not an N\A is still a great car.

Hi and welcome to the club. I am the importer for the club and have had some really nice Z's introduced into the club (including Kingsleys). As Gaz mentioned I have a midnight purple NA for sale. Next week I will have a TT here as well (although I am certain I have a buyer for it).

I just thought that you may like to come and take a drive in both of them which will help you in your quest. I am not trying to sell you anything here, just helping out if I can

I would like more power, but then I probably wouldn't get to enjoy it as often. NA is still a lot of fun and a great car.

Generally the na will have the same low grunt, but when you get to high RPMS it doesn't give you that extra whoosh the turbos will when accelerating.

 

But then with nas there is less to go wrong, and easier to work on.

 

A: No, they don't have the same 'low end grunt'.

B: NAs enjoy throwing their rods.

 

A well maintained stock TT, or even one with quality boost upgrades will often outlive an NA who's inherent flaw is its stock map which detonates. NAs do like to throw their rods, even on well maintained cars.

 

I've driven both extensively and whilst the NA is a pleasant enough drive, there's absolutely no comparison. On long motorway runs, you're likely to see slightly better fuel economy from the TT.

 

I would say it's 'horses for courses', but I couldn't. I would personally steer you toward the TT model. People seem to have this misconception that the TT is less reliable. This is because there are a lot of bodge cars around or ones that have been poorly maintained. A good TT will outlive an NA. Just gotta find one! :rofl:

A: No, they don't have the same 'low end grunt'.

B: NAs enjoy throwing their rods.

 

A well maintained stock TT, or even one with quality boost upgrades will often outlive an NA who's inherent flaw is its stock map which detonates. NAs do like to throw their rods, even on well maintained cars.

 

I've driven both extensively and whilst the NA is a pleasant enough drive, there's absolutely no comparison. On long motorway runs, you're likely to see slightly better fuel economy from the TT.

 

I would say it's 'horses for courses', but I couldn't. I would personally steer you toward the TT model. People seem to have this misconception that the TT is less reliable. This is because there are a lot of bodge cars around or ones that have been poorly maintained. A good TT will outlive an NA. Just gotta find one! :rofl:

I didn't mean grunt as in power figures but anyway.

 

Interesting I haven't heard or seen these faulty maps.

I didn't mean grunt as in power figures but anyway.

 

Neither did I! :rofl:

B: NAs enjoy throwing their rods.

 

That is a new one on me Si ??? never ever seen that in my all my years around them? are you basing that on issue in the US zed scene?

 

Why would you consider the N/A engine less able to last, less stress and better oil lubrication in the sump / pistons etc? just asking

 

 

 

Interesting I haven't heard or seen these faulty maps.

 

Na nor me, a manual n/a with free flow headers and exhaust will fly down country lanes like a scolded cat with a smart generic chip and a couple degrees of advance on the timing, fit twin turbo spark plugs and do regular oil changes and all will be fine, often considered more usable than a TT in everyday traffic, of course a TT will have more power through the whole rev range but an N/A can have its own fun bits.

 

Jeff

Hi and welcome to the club. I am the importer for the club and have had some really nice Z's introduced into the club (including Kingsleys). As Gaz mentioned I have a midnight purple NA for sale. Next week I will have a TT here as well (although I am certain I have a buyer for it).

I just thought that you may like to come and take a drive in both of them which will help you in your quest. I am not trying to sell you anything here, just helping out if I can

 

Thank you that's a very kind offer. It my be very helpful if I tried both. I have seen the purple one. It's a nice looking car but not really what I'm looking for. Kingsleys car was pretty much spot on for the type of thing I like. It's just the turbo aspect I'm not sure on.

Umm I can't see the rod throwing making any sense, the turbo and non turbo rods are the same. The piston and gudgoen pin are different, NAs have thinner pins and the pistons are convex because of the compression difference. The NA pistons also do not feature the oil injection that TTs have. Through trial and error the rods do bend at about 700hp but as I say they are the same forged rod in both.

I would class the VG30DE as a reliable engine, somewhat more so than the Turbo. NAs generally are cheaper to maintain and seem to be more reliable.

As for the low end grunt, comparing a NA to a FI engine will almost always will show a more responsive NA. That coupled with the shorter diff ratio on NAs will leave it feeling more punchy, stock for stock. Soon as those turbos kick it, quite quickly with the VG30DETT it's all over. Both have there merit. Against modern cars a sorted TT with mild upgrades is a quick car, an NA well isn't. It's quite average. Always best to choose what's suits you and your needs personally.

had the pleasure of owning both a TT and an N/a, all boils down to what you want from the car, either will turn heads and make a talking point.

 

I bought the NA purely because my tt has been a long term project, and i wanted something fun in the twisties with out breaking the bank, i get all the enjoyment out of this car as i did my Twin turbo, which to me is what mattered, apart from the surge of power obviously.

Umm I can't see the rod throwing making any sense, the turbo and non turbo rods are the same. The piston and gudgoen pin are different, NAs have thinner pins and the pistons are convex because of the compression difference. The NA pistons also do not feature the oil injection that TTs have. Through trial and error the rods do bend at about 700hp but as I say they are the same forged rod in both.

I would class the VG30DE as a reliable engine, somewhat more so than the Turbo. NAs generally are cheaper to maintain and seem to be more reliable.

As for the low end grunt, comparing a NA to a FI engine will almost always will show a more responsive NA. That coupled with the shorter diff ratio on NAs will leave it feeling more punchy, stock for stock. Soon as those turbos kick it, quite quickly with the VG30DETT it's all over. Both have there merit. Against modern cars a sorted TT with mild upgrades is a quick car, an NA well isn't. It's quite average. Always best to choose what's suits you and your needs personally.

 

I thought it was the NAs that had the oil squirters under the pistons...?

I thought it was the NAs that had the oil squirters under the pistons...?

They both do but slightly different. The TT lines up with a hole in the piston so squirts oil inside the piston, therefore are longer and a different angle.

The na ones just spray the underside of the piston with oil to cool it down. They are useful with forged pistons as the TT ones will hit the piston.

I thought it was the NAs that had the oil squirters under the pistons...?

 

Ali is correct. This is why when switching to forged pistons (that don't have the hole) you switch to NA oil squirters.

Like I have said today and a few times in the past, the N/A drives better than the TT. Having owned and lived with both. When I bought the N/a originally I missed the extra power a TT has but it was still quicker than my daily driver so was fairly happy.

 

Also TTs sound crap in comparison. My N/A was decat and sounded awesome.

 

However if it was me buying a Z32 again I would probably choose a TT just to confuse you further. My advice would be to try both yourself.

 

If you want to take on Corsa VXRs and win don't buy an NA.

 

You would not be upset having choose an NA or TT, they are both great.

For the NA owners, are you happy with your Z? Do you have regrets for not getting the TT?

I have always bought NAs cos thats wot I wanted.

So clearly Im happy.

I could buy a TT tomorro if I wanted or even get Gagwoz to bring me a 99 spec one in from Japan.

 

As long as I have been on this forum (a long time) we have had debates on TT vs NA...................

and all the other variables too........

Auto vs Manwell.

SWB vs LWB

Targa vs Skicktop.

There are always lively but inclonclusive debates bout all these matters.

Long may they continue.:biggrin:

Best decision I ever made getting mine. Not driven a TT though so kinda biased view. Get a Manual one though

 

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OK so general thoughts seem to be with the Manuel gear box. The na vs tt debate seems as lively and undecided as it can be with the mr2 forum. I have two na MR2'S and always wanted the turbo. But then never really thought of a time I'd really get to utilise it's power.

As long as I have been on this forum (a long time) we have had debates on TT vs NA...................

and all the other variables too........

Auto vs Manwell.

SWB vs LWB

Targa vs Skicktop.

There are always lively but inclonclusive debates bout all these matters.

Long may they continue.:biggrin:

 

What he said....:wink:

 

Seriously, just drive both, decide what best suits your needs and make up your own mind!

 

My personal preference; well I couldn't care less about the manual vs auto debate - but would most likely chose a TT in either format. Although a nicely modified, manual, NA SWB slicktop - that would be fun for Sunday B-road blasting.

 

Decisions decisions....:lol:

I've got both tt and na, previously had lwb variants of both, I really enjoy the na, it's a manual slicktop so it's light, great for back roads, ok lacking in motorway power to a degree, but how often can you actually use the power on our roads,

 

Had a lwb na manual before, the lighter slicktop or swb is the way to go they handle and feel nicer imo. Personally wouldn't have an na auto but that's me.

I would definitely say, go and drive a couple, fall in love, have a huge smile on your face every time you drive, attend shows, life will never be the same.

I have both, I like both, there are things I don't like on both.

I must say I love my TT but I would also love an NA Convertible :yes:

I would love a convertible too Gary. Might consider swapping or selling the slicktop for one in a few years.

I must say I love my TT but I would also love an NA Convertible :yes:

 

Debut pictures from the '91 Toyko Motor show.