Without wanting to start an argument here, Im just curious as to what people want to vote or if they haven't made up their minds.

Seeing as political feelings are running understandably high today, and seeing as Facebook (at least) is absolutely chock-full of Remain voters calling all Leave voters racists ;) , why is there no anger being directed from them towards the 27.8% of the eligible voters who didn't utilise their vote...?

 

That could potentially have made a huge difference to the result either way.

 

That could potentially have made a huge difference to the result either way.

 

This infuriates me. A right to vote is something very important, especially on something so key whichever way the vote was cast. We are so fortunate to live in a democratic society and should use our utmost to exercise that freedom.

This infuriates me. A right to vote is something very important, especially on something so key whichever way the vote was cast. We are so fortunate to live in a democratic society and should use our utmost to exercise that freedom.

 

And the people that didn't vote are probably the biggest complainers about the outcome.

Depatrugal, Italeave, Outstria, Finish, Byegium....

 

Brexit is among the most annoying terms ever! Made up by some gel head on twitter no doubt

Seeing as political feelings are running understandably high today, and seeing as Facebook (at least) is absolutely chock-full of Remain voters calling all Leave voters racists ;) , why is there no anger being directed from them towards the 27.8% of the eligible voters who didn't utilise their vote...?

 

That could potentially have made a huge difference to the result either way.

 

The rest of the 27.8% are leave voters that didn't want to appear on the electoral roll because they are hiding from their debts with bright house, provident loans and very

The rest of the 27.8% are leave voters that didn't want to appear on the electoral roll because they are hiding from their debts with bright house, provident loans and very

 

I hope your tongue's at least partially in your cheek there, Dean....

And the people that didn't vote are probably the biggest complainers about the outcome.

 

You stopped short of saying it Gaz........................yeah the Scottish, 1 in every 3 up there couldn't be bothered - if my quick maths and facts are correct that's 1.3 million people wasted majority remain votes not cast.

Anyway it's done now, some of us got what we wanted others are disappointed most somewhere in the middle. Where we all stand together is the what next. We haven't actually done anything yet, article 50 hasn't been activated. Despite the actions of the capitalists. Looks like Corbyn is for the chop though.

Here's my take on this and I am a little scared for the short to medium term future.

When watching the build up to the vote it was concerning to note that 2 big hitters in the conservative party, Cameron and Johnson, were going head to head and contradicting each other.

This clearly means that even the people best situated (the ruling party) to understand the ramifications didn't have a clue as to what would really happen.

This on its own should have been enough to make people realise that change of this magnitude is nothing short of a massive gamble.

Now you look at the results from Northern Ireland and Scotland and you see two countries being forced to leave the EU against their democratic will.

Independence referendums will follow very quickly and we will see the United Kingdom divided.

What we are seeing with Sterling now is a Northern Rock situation on a massive scale.

Northern Rock would not have gone under if people hadn't withdrawn their money, but people withdrew their money because they had heard a rumour that the bank might go under.

Sterling and the FTSE plummet for that very reason, investors banks and companies are pulling their investments out of Sterling just in case, which then makes the "just in case" happen.

We don't really make anything in this country now we are an importing consumer nation. So if our currency is weak we pay more of it to buy things and prices go up.

Crude oil is priced in Dollars, the pound loses ground against the dollar and fuel prices go up.

Short to medium term there will be nothing cheap in this country anymore.

It takes 2 years for article 50 to come into effect and David Cameron has said he will leave it to his successor to invoke it.

If we are lucky we might start the 2 year process to sort out trade agreements in 6 months time.

Anyone going abroad for a holiday this year will find it significantly more expensive over there.

Anyone with any investments in anything other than Sterling will lose ground. This means everyone's pension pots, endowments ISAs etc will be worth less.

Meanwhile back at the ranch the ruling party is divided and it's leader has resigned, the opposition is calling for a motion of no confidence in its leader.

And Nigel Farrage wants to have a bank holiday, secure in the knowledge he can say whatever he wants because politically it doesn't matter as he will never be in power.

Individually people are smart, collectively we are stupid.

As a nation today we have voted to gamble everything, to divide our country and to oust our leadership.

Don't get me wrong there were and are many things wrong with the EU, but no one now knows what is going to happen and because of that uncertainty the rest of the world will financially draw back from us to wait and see what happens.

I rejoice in democracy but I fail to understand why such a decision was placed in the hands of people who cannot possibly understand the consequences.

The next 10 years are going to very hard and the 10 after that will either be incredible or a disaster. Take your pick and place your bets because no one knows.

And that is the truly scary part about this.

Edited June 24, 20169 yr by Pebkau

Here's my take on this and I am a little scared for the short to medium term future.

When watching the build up to the vote it was concerning to note that 2 big hitters in the conservative party, Cameron and Johnson, were going head to head and contradicting each other.

This clearly means that even the people best situated (the ruling party) to understand the ramifications didn't have a clue as to what would really happen.

This on its own should have been enough to make people realise that change of this magnitude is nothing short of a massive gamble.

Now you look at the results from Northern Ireland and Scotland and you see two countries being forced to leave the EU against their democratic will.

Independence referendums will follow very quickly and we will see the United Kingdom divided.

What we are seeing with Sterling now is a Northern Rock situation on a massive scale.

Northern Rock would not have gone under if people hadn't withdrawn their money, but people withdrew their money because they had heard a rumour that the bank might go under.

Sterling and the FTSE plummet for that very reason, investors banks and companies are pulling their investments out of Sterling just in case, which then makes the "just in case" happen.

We don't really make anything in this country now we are an importing consumer nation. So if our currency is weak we pay more of it to buy things and prices go up.

Crude oil is priced in Dollars, the pound loses ground against the dollar and fuel prices go up.

Short to medium term there will be nothing cheap in this country anymore.

It takes 2 years for article 50 to come into effect and David Cameron has said he will leave it to his successor to invoke it.

If we are lucky we might start the 2 year process to sort out trade agreements in 6 months time.

Anyone going abroad for a holiday this year will find it significantly more expensive over there.

Anyone with any investments in anything other than Sterling will lose ground. This means everyone's pension pots, endowments ISAs etc will be worth less.

Meanwhile back at the ranch the ruling party is divided and it's leader has resigned, the opposition is calling for a motion of no confidence in its leader.

And Nigel Farrage wants to have a bank holiday, secure in the knowledge he can say whatever he wants because politically it doesn't matter as he will never be in power.

Individually people are smart, collectively we are stupid.

As a nation today we have voted to gamble everything, to divide our country and to oust our leadership.

Don't get me wrong there were and are many things wrong with the EU, but no one now knows what is going to happen and because of that uncertainty the rest of the world will financially draw back from us to wait and see what happens.

I rejoice in democracy but I fail to understand why such a decision was placed in the hands of people who cannot possibly understand the consequences.

The next 10 years are going to very hard and the 10 after that will either be incredible or a disaster. Take your pick and place your bets because no one knows.

And that is the truly scary part about this.

 

:bow:

 

Fantastic post and my thoughts exactly!

The problem with Martin's post is that it states that Scotland and Northern Ireland as whole countries voted to Remain. That isn't true.

 

What is true is that the majority of voters in those countries voted to Remain, but were ultimately out-voted as it were by England and Wales. This is democracy, I'm afraid. Overall, the Leave voters outnumbered the remain voters across the four countries.

 

Scotland may well go for another independence referendum, as is their right. That doesn't automatically mean that the result would be different to 2 years ago though.

 

There's far too many people stating that things will be this way or that way now that we, as a United Kingdom, have voted to leave the EU, but ultimately they have as little idea about how things are going to turn out as the people who they're berating that voted to Leave!

 

The scare-mongering continues, even though the vote has finished.

 

And saying that something of this magnitude shouldn't have been left to the general public ("those who can't possibly understand the consequences") is very much like saying "Tell us what you're going to do, Government, and we'll just accept it." and I for one don't really want to live in a dictatorship....

With that said I don't believe the majority of voters were educated enough to have a thought through vote whether they vote remain or leave. There are too many variables imo

Lets face it, if Facebook and twitter didn't exist most of the sheep voters probably wouldn't have even bothered attending the polling station.

 

I've accepted the decision despite how ridiculous it is....we are all just going to have to live with it now.

I can't help but think that actually most (as in over 50%) of the country don't really want to leave when it comes down to it, they were just protest voting against the establishment, and there was enough of them to just tip it over the edge.

 

But hey they did vote that way so that's that, not saying we should ignore them because of it. Just saying how many people voted against Cameron just cus they hate him? Lot of talk about labour voters being more strongly leave than thought, maybe that's partly why. If people that "don't know enough" voted with their hearts...

I can't help but think that actually most (as in over 50%) of the country don't really want to leave when it comes down to it, they were just protest voting against the establishment, and there was enough of them to just tip it over the edge.

 

But hey they did vote that way so that's that, not saying we should ignore them because of it. Just saying how many people voted against Cameron just cus they hate him? Lot of talk about labour voters being more strongly leave than thought, maybe that's partly why. If people that "don't know enough" voted with their hearts...

 

And the almost 30% who didn't vote? How complicit are they in your eyes...?

Lets face it, if Facebook and twitter didn't exist most of the sheep voters probably wouldn't have even bothered attending the polling station.

 

I've accepted the decision despite how ridiculous it is....we are all just going to have to live with it now.

Tbh I wouldn't be all that surprised if it never actually happened. Cameron seems to be deferring the responsibility of actually triggering article 50, who knows what will actually happen. So much could change before the article is invoked that the situation could change.

 

Seems unlikely right now, just saying though. Would be extremely shaky ground to ignore the vote

And the almost 30% who didn't vote? How complicit are they in your eyes...?

Not sure what you mean? I'm not saying anyone was wrong to vote for that reason, just wondering if that is the reason, or part of it at least. I'm not saying they'll think they've made a huge mistake and will regret it, if my conjecture was true then they clearly couldn't have been fussed about staying in the EU anyway, just wondering whether that was enough to tip them to leave

If you feel remain was the way and you lost your going to feel the majority are wrong, that is your opinion. Sadly for you more people disagree with you than agreed. That is democracy and that's how it should be. The raft of remain supporters that have come out the wood work today is astonishing, I can only assume that the vast majority who didn't bother to vote were remainers otherwise they should of won. Seems to be a lot of pissed off just out of uni types that I'm fairly sure didn't actually bother to vote anyway.

If you feel remain was the way and you lost your going to feel the majority are wrong, that is your opinion. Sadly for you more people disagree with you than agreed. That is democracy and that's how it should be. The raft of remain supporters that have come out the wood work today is astonishing, I can only assume that the vast majority who didn't bother to vote were remainers otherwise they should of won. Seems to be a lot of pissed off just out of uni types that I'm fairly sure didn't actually bother to vote anyway.

I'm just wondering what the reasons behind it were, don't think there's anything wrong with that. Just trying to make sense of it because I didn't expect it. I'm just regurgitating what I'm reading on the news anyway really.

 

Also I'm sitting by myself at work today so am forced to think out loud to this forum rather than anyone sitting near me :-P

I'm just wondering what the reasons behind it were, don't think there's anything wrong with that. Just trying to make sense of it because I didn't expect it. I'm just regurgitating what I'm reading on the news anyway really.

 

Also I'm sitting by myself at work today so am forced to think out loud to this forum rather than anyone sitting near me :-P

 

I voted to Leave and, if I'm honest, I didn't expect that to be the result. But it is the result and, despite all the panic this morning, the FTSE is already pretty much back to the point it was in February when the referendum was first announced. So there's some good news that everyone can get behind. :)

 

It's all the mud-slinging from some of the Remain voters that's starting to really wind me up... all the forums and social media are rammed with people firing insult after insult at anyone who voted to Leave. If the result were reversed, I wouldn't be firing crap at people who voted differently to me!

 

So far today (by generalisation), I've been called uneducated, a racist, a bigot, a moron, a sheep, a lunatic... all of which I find deeply insulting, wildly inaccurate and hilarious in equal measure!

Britain has been fed up and Euro skeptic for many many years, by that I don't mean everyone wanted out but finding someone who believes the EU is actually good as it is is hard. Think back about bloody banana fiascos etc. Then there's the fact that the British don't really consider themselves "Europoens" we are in Europe but Europe is that lot over there, one foot has always been out the door. So actually it's not so surprising. Actually the win was narrow, there's no 75% landslide it's a few %. So actually the result says in truth that Britain is undecided on wether it should be in the EU but the majority feel the answer is no.

All this throwing the toys out the pram and media hysteria, painting people as thick or racist is laughable. An opinion is just that. The difference between bravery and stupidity is often the outcome. So far we haven't even walked out the door, someone has to be brave if anyone is going to succeed.

No one said it was going to be easy but in the long run I truly believe Britian is best off getting out the EU project.

I voted to Leave and, if I'm honest, I didn't expect that to be the result. But it is the result and, despite all the panic this morning, the FTSE is already pretty much back to the point it was in February when the referendum was first announced. So there's some good news that everyone can get behind. :)

 

It's all the mud-slinging from some of the Remain voters that's starting to really wind me up... all the forums and social media are rammed with people firing insult after insult at anyone who voted to Leave. If the result were reversed, I wouldn't be firing crap at people who voted differently to me!

 

So far today (by generalisation), I've been called uneducated, a racist, a bigot, a moron, a sheep, a lunatic... all of which I find deeply insulting, wildly inaccurate and hilarious in equal measure!

Yea it has been a bit nuts, can't say I've exactly helped the situation myself...

 

Fwiw I always thought that in the long run economically this might be quite good for us. Europe was/is in decline and we need to align ourselves with the growing countries

Britain has been fed up and Euro skeptic for many many years, by that I don't mean everyone wanted out but finding someone who believes the EU is actually good as it is is hard. Think back about bloody banana fiascos etc. Then there's the fact that the British don't really consider themselves "Europoens" we are in Europe but Europe is that lot over there, one foot has always been out the door. So actually it's not so surprising. Actually the win was narrow, there's no 75% landslide it's a few %. So actually the result says in truth that Britain is undecided on wether it should be in the EU but the majority feel the answer is no.

All this throwing the toys out the pram and media hysteria, painting people as thick or racist is laughable. An opinion is just that. The difference between bravery and stupidity is often the outcome. So far we haven't even walked out the door, someone has to be brave if anyone is going to succeed.

No one said it was going to be easy but in the long run I truly believe Britian is best off getting out the EU project.

 

My hero! :thumbup:

Some very well worded and thought out posts on here from both sides.

I posted earlier with my take on the situation and I just wanted to add to my comment about it being the wrong thing to do to trust the public with this decision.

The fact of it is that the majority of people who voted will have cast their vote for just one or two reasons.

Those reasons will be different for different people and will vary from the immigration question through being dictated to by a another Parliament through to what subsidies are received and so on.

This is such a big decision and affects so many facets of everyone's lives that no individual can possibly have the big picture. Yet we were invited to vote as individuals.

I personally voted to stay in, not because I believe the EU is great, but because I believed that as no one really knows what will happen it was just far to big of a gamble to take.

Imagine having your mortgage or rent money for the next year in your hand and then placing it on a 100-1 outsider. It could be incredible or you could be in real trouble.

I just got the feeling that we were preparing to take that kind of bet with a country.

Personally I do believe it will get worse before it gets better.

HOWEVER!

We live in a democracy, one man one vote, and regardless of my personal thoughts I was outvoted and I respect that.

Whinging about it won't change it.

So we now need to focus on moving forward, because mistake or not we have made that decision and now we will make it work because we have to.

I just think we need to move forward with our eyes open and understand the massive potential implications of this vote.

And yes there is a real possibility that eventually we will be better for it, but it is going to take a long time.

There we go I'll now put my soap box back in the cupboard:thumbup:

Some very well worded and thought out posts on here from both sides.

I posted earlier with my take on the situation and I just wanted to add to my comment about it being the wrong thing to do to trust the public with this decision.

The fact of it is that the majority of people who voted will have cast their vote for just one or two reasons.

Those reasons will be different for different people and will vary from the immigration question through being dictated to by a another Parliament through to what subsidies are received and so on.

This is such a big decision and affects so many facets of everyone's lives that no individual can possibly have the big picture. Yet we were invited to vote as individuals.

I personally voted to stay in, not because I believe the EU is great, but because I believed that as no one really knows what will happen it was just far to big of a gamble to take.

Imagine having your mortgage or rent money for the next year in your hand and then placing it on a 100-1 outsider. It could be incredible or you could be in real trouble.

I just got the feeling that we were preparing to take that kind of bet with a country.

Personally I do believe it will get worse before it gets better.

HOWEVER!

We live in a democracy, one man one vote, and regardless of my personal thoughts I was outvoted and I respect that.

Whinging about it won't change it.

So we now need to focus on moving forward, because mistake or not we have made that decision and now we will make it work because we have to.

I just think we need to move forward with our eyes open and understand the massive potential implications of this vote.

And yes there is a real possibility that eventually we will be better for it, but it is going to take a long time.

There we go I'll now put my soap box back in the cupboard:thumbup:

 

Completely agree. Please do carry on with soap boxing, infact ill find you a permenant spot! :thumbup: