Ok, not sure how I do this, but I'm sure someone here must have done it before.

 

I've transplanted my Zed engine etc, into a new shell, as the original body was rotten.

 

The shell didn't come with a V5, as it had came from a breakers, so technically, DVLA wise, not a car, just scrap.

 

My old (donor) Zed, is still registered (SORNed), but is now merely a rotten shell.

 

I was going to ring round, see if any breakers wanted to come for it today, when I realised that technically, to the DVLA, it's still a car, I have a V5.

 

So what do I do?

 

Can I stick my 92 plates from my donor Zed onto my newly build Zed (1990 shell), and change the details (VIN, colour etc) with the DVLA?

 

Is there a way to re-register the new Zed (once it's finished and ready of course)?

 

Just now sure what the correct way of doing this is.

 

Any advice appreciated. :)

Edited September 1, 201411 yr by MasterCookieman

Don't think you can change your good shell to the bad shells identity. Do you know if the good shell was 'scrapped' by the yard you got it from with the dvla? If they told dvla it was scrapped I don't know where you stand? maybe you'll have to have it tested before you can get it on the road like kit cars and maybe end up on a Q plate?

I think it probably was scrapped, V5 wise, by the breaker. If I hadn't found it, it would have been, literally. I see what you mean though, to the DVLA, the car doesn't exist anymore. Hmm, that is a problem.

 

I've emailed the DVLA, I think I probably will have to re-register it, but not sure I can use the current VIN (as it's technically scrapped) which is annoying when the only difference is the shell and the colour. It's the same car really, just in a new body.

 

I'll let you know what they come back with.

 

Hopefully I won't need to go down the test route, as it's looks complicated and annoying. I did find this, so I may be exempt anyway -

 

"You don’t need vehicle approval for:

- cars and minibuses with 8 passenger seats or less (not including the driver) over 10 years old"

 

I'll cross that bridge when / if I come to it.

 

Cheers!

After further digging I found this, it's actually sort of interesting -

 

"Keep a vehicle’s original registration number

 

A rebuilt vehicle can keep its original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:

 

the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)

a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)

the original unmodified frame (motorbike)

a new frame of the same specification as the original (motorbike)

 

You must also have 2 other major components from the original vehicle from the following lists.

 

For cars or light vans:

 

suspension (front and back)

steering assembly

axles (both)

transmission

engine"

 

So things are looking up, I think I will be able to use my 92 reg from my original Z.

This is really interesting I am kinda in same boat ish or will be the car i crashed is on my drive but written off but doing reshell with pretty much everything plus new bits so basically what your sayin is I can use my plates of my written off tt on my new to be tt I would be interested to know if and what you find out for sure on this topic and if you need to pay any fee's for plate tranfer etc or how to do it.

You cant use the scrapyard shell with your plates/vin/V5 etc. What you are doing in that instance is effectively "ringing" the shell. You will be passing off a car bodyshell built in 1990 as a 1992 car. Thats a no no. You either need to use the vehicles original shell plus 2 components or a brand new shell. You'll have a car that carries the stamped VIN of the scrapped car on the bulkhead.

You could cut out the stamped VIN plates and weld yours into the scrapyard shell but if someone flags up that your car has had an identity change you'll be up sh#t creek. If an MOT tester /traffic cop/potential buyer/insurance company engineer etc notice this you could have all sorts of trouble to deal with.

 

Good luck with it,

BTW the minute you tell DVLA that you have swapped the bodyshell there's a high chance that they will suspend or withdraw the V5 until you can prove to them that you're not doing what you have done.

...so dont tell DVLA!

lol I think i'l go the legit route my shell has a v5 so I will just pay the transfer fee to swap my plates from my written off tt to what will be my new one once its near built :)

I don't think you can put a 92 plate on a 90 car, because that makes it appear newer. You can put older plates on a newer car, but not the other way round IIRC.

After further digging I found this, it's actually sort of interesting -

 

"Keep a vehicle’s original registration number

 

A rebuilt vehicle can keep its original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:

 

the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)

a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)

the original unmodified frame (motorbike)

a new frame of the same specification as the original (motorbike)

 

You must also have 2 other major components from the original vehicle from the following lists.

 

For cars or light vans:

 

suspension (front and back)

steering assembly

axles (both)

transmission

engine"

 

So things are looking up, I think I will be able to use my 92 reg from my original Z.

 

 

Er.....no.

 

If I understand you correct, you have transplanted engine and interior into a 90 chassis/body.

That being the case you have transplanted things INTO the 90 chassis/body. As such, you can only use the details of the 90.

 

BUT, if it is recorded as being scrapped (on DVLA database), then you will have to go through the process of getting an IVA so that you can be issued with a new V5 as from the DVLA point of view, you have created a new car.

You will first need to apply to the DVLA for a new VIN.

Basically your car will be treated as a kit car. And you will be in a world of pain to get it registered and on the road.

Er.....no.

 

If I understand you correct, you have transplanted engine and interior into a 90 chassis/body.

That being the case you have transplanted things INTO the 90 chassis/body. As such, you can only use the details of the 90.

 

BUT, if it is recorded as being scrapped (on DVLA database), then you will have to go through the process of getting an IVA so that you can be issued with a new V5 as from the DVLA point of view, you have created a new car.

You will first need to apply to the DVLA for a new VIN.

Basically your car will be treated as a kit car. And you will be in a world of pain to get it registered and on the road.

 

Damn, I think you're right. It was the line "a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)" that made me think everything was fine...but it's not new. Even if I got rid of the old VIN somehow, and declared that it was a new bodyshell (whether right or wrong legally) I'd still have to register it and possible have it tested, and so on...and probably end up on a Q plate.

 

This is really stupid, all over a number which no one ever looks at!

 

I'll post the unhelpful email from the DVLA in a minute. they may as well not have responded...

The unhelpful copy paste job response from the DVLA -

 

"Thank you for your email received on 2/9/14. Your email reference number is xxxxxxx.

 

You will need to apply to register and tax your vehicle with DVLA Swansea. Applications should be sent to DVLA Swansea SA99 1BE.

 

Keepers who first tax and register their vehicle(s) using application forms V55/4 or V55/5 will have to produce proof of name and address. An information leaflet INF148 'Licensing and Registering Your Vehicle Using a V55/4 or a V55/5' has been produced giving details of the identity documents required. If you fail to read this information before submitting your application it may cause a delay in your application being processed.

 

You should apply by using form V55/5, accompanied by;

 

• appropriate Identity Documentation confirming your name and address (copies not originals)

 

• a current MOT Certificate

 

•valid Insurance Certificate or Cover note for vehicles being registered with a Northern Ireland address (downloaded or faxed copies are acceptable, however photocopies are not)

 

• the required fee (rates of vehicle tax available on our website http://www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax-rate-tables )

 

• any documents you have relating to the vehicle (including any receipts for any new or second-hand parts)

 

An inspection of the vehicle may be required prior to registration. If no evidence can be provided to show the year of manufacture, a "Q" prefix number may be allocated.

 

A tax disc will be received within 2 weeks of your completed application arriving at DVLA. A V5C should arrive within 4 weeks.

 

All forms mentioned can be ordered from http://www.gov.uk/dvlaforms

 

Do not reply to this email. If you wish to contact us again about this response then please use our Reply Form or copy and paste the following URL in to your browser:

 

https://emaildvla.direct.gov.uk/emaildvla/cegemail/dvla/en/reply_form_vehicles.html

 

When filling in the form the email reference number xxxxxxx will be required.

 

Regards

 

J Donovan

DVLA Contact Centre"

Based on the above you might not be in the sh#t. You need to make sure that the original VIN of the "new" 1990 car is on the shell and hopefully also the ID tag on the bonnet landing panel.

Decode the VIN and tag to get details of original build date and plant and present this along with reference details as to where you got the info from (website/nissan/here etc)

Take the car for an MOT . This will be tested against the shell's VIN no. And take it from there with DVLA. With a bit of luck you wont need an IVA.

good luck

Based on the above you might not be in the sh#t. You need to make sure that the original VIN of the "new" 1990 car is on the shell and hopefully also the ID tag on the bonnet landing panel.

Decode the VIN and tag to get details of original build date and plant and present this along with reference details as to where you got the info from (website/nissan/here etc)

Take the car for an MOT . This will be tested against the shell's VIN no. And take it from there with DVLA. With a bit of luck you wont need an IVA.

good luck

 

Yes, the VIN is present on the bonnet landing panel, and was visible on the bulk head, but is now coated in two coats of think paint, so would probably have to sand down...

 

However, technically the car with that VIN was scrapped, so wont it show up as such?

 

I totally understand why it would be illegal to mix and match chassis and parts, in the case of cut and shut etc, stolen cars and accident damaged cars etc...but there really should be an exception in cases like this, without having to go down the kit car Q plate route.

 

I'm not desperate to sort this out (but will need to) as the car isn't finished and wont be until next year, it only came about as I was about to call a breaker to ask them if they wanted my rotten shell. I noticed their website explained they would need the V5...and here I am in this nightmare.

I have a car that was technically scrapped. The V5 was returned to DVLA with box "Vehicle Scrapped" ticked. This was in 2005 when the V5 still had the option to self register a vehicle as scrapped.

When I applied for an updated V5 the dvla wrote to ask me to check the ID of the car. I supplied the info and they sent a V5 (with a different reg no.)

I have a car that was technically scrapped. The V5 was returned to DVLA with box "Vehicle Scrapped" ticked. This was in 2005 when the V5 still had the option to self register a vehicle as scrapped.

When I applied for an updated V5 the dvla wrote to ask me to check the ID of the car. I supplied the info and they sent a V5 (with a different reg no.)

 

The car would have been de-registered if a scrapping application was processed against that vehicle, therefore they'd issue a new number.....but I didn't think you could re-register a vehicle that had been declared as dismantled? :confused:

I have a car that was technically scrapped. The V5 was returned to DVLA with box "Vehicle Scrapped" ticked. This was in 2005 when the V5 still had the option to self register a vehicle as scrapped.

When I applied for an updated V5 the dvla wrote to ask me to check the ID of the car. I supplied the info and they sent a V5 (with a different reg no.)

 

This is interesting, and a possibly the way to go. So you mean amend my 92 Zed V5 with the VIN from the new shell and send it to the DVLA, is that what you did?

 

If that works then great, however if it doesn't I imagine it could cause problems...

 

I imagine they checked yours on the system and it came up scrapped, which is why they wrote to you to confirm, I'm just surprised they didn't ask why, or investigate further.

Edited September 4, 201411 yr by MasterCookieman

You have misread.

They supplied a V5 for the details of the "scrapped" Zed.

 

There is no way the DVLA is going to let you keep a 92 reg car in any shape way or form when you are using a 90 chassis/vin.

If they let you off without an IVA you will have a 90 reg car. But I'll be honest and say I don't think you have a hope in hell of getting away without doing an IVA.

I've been wrong before though.

I bought a car in 1996 for the reg number. The car was taxed and MOTd. I got a valuation for the reg no. from Motor Marks reg number dealer in Leicester. I didnt send off the V5 to put it in my name. The car was put in the back of my garage and largely forgotten about. Fast forward to 2005 and the issue of the new V5 docs. I applied for the doc, sending the old v5 to DVLA. They then sent back a letter requesting the VIN etc.

The registration dealer had, a few months earlier, applied for a v5 (I wasnt informed as the car wasnt in my name). They had some garage write out an MOT, taxed the car and then applied to put number on retention. When this was done, they sent the v5 back declaring the car was scrapped.

I then applied for a V5 .

The reg number co. Motor Marks, fraudulently transferred the number. The DVLA then issued an alternative number.

Thanks all, I'll work something out, I don't have to worry about it right now, either way I will be getting my car on the road, haven't come this far for nothing!

 

Cheers! :)