OK I have decided the knock on my old engine is getting a bit worse now so I've decided to get the good spare one I have fitted instead. I was gonna leave it till end of hte summer but I just don't trust the old one enough

 

I've booked the car in to have the engines swapped early/mid May as I will be away sunning myself for about 3 weeks and want it back for the Summer shows, so it seems he ideal opportunity.

 

I've had a real good think about what I want to achieve (as well as stopping the car knocking lol) and come to the decision I would like to get the best performance I can out of the replacement engine, whilst stilll keeping stock internals. If I want to do more in the future I'll still have my old engine to play with

 

My intentions are:

 

1* Get the engine stripped down, replace bearings and 'freshen it up'. Keep stock internal spec.

 

2* Either get the turbos refurbished, upgrade them while keeping the old housings, or fit larger ones

 

3* Maybe do something to upgrade the intake pipework and intercoolers

 

4* Not sure about injectors, probably keep the stock ones but get them cleaned up

 

5* Ask Noz to work his remap magic :thumbup1:

 

I already have HKS boost controller, some sort of upgraded 'chip', aftermarket dump valves and aftermarket decat exhaust

 

If i could get 400bhp out of the car I would be over the moon with the results, this is an occasional use road car / show car but I may be tempted to take it on a track day

 

So that's what I would like to achive - advice (and approx costs on steps 2 3 and 4) gratefuily accepted

 

Noz - I'll PM you about 5.

 

cheers

Rich

Mate if you or anybody else strips a 20 year old plus Zed engine down, for gawds sake replace the pistons with Wiseco's or similar for around 300 quid, bearings a great idea too :-)

smithy

@Smithy

This is just the sort of advice I am looking for, so I make the best choices.... keep it coming guys

 

Bearings were already on the 'to do' list

 

When I say 'keep the engine stock' I mean I don't have the money to spend like on Mark Derby's rebuild, nor am I trying to achieve that sort of power, but I am very much open to consideration of options right now

 

Guess I've said enough about what I want to achieve so you guys can see what my expectations are :wink:

 

cheers

Edited April 22, 201312 yr by dicky96

Please Rich have a look at my spec list in my profile at the work done last summer by Lee Dent, adding to what I already had, my stock internals are left alone but I practically have everything else upgraded and it didn't cost an arm and a leg....well perhaps an arm !!

 

400 bhp is easily achievable with just a few choice mods, I have done all I can and if I want more but for the time being I don't, then the only way for me to go would be internal work and hence more expense :thumbup1:.

Hi Smithy,

 

were can you buy the internals for £300? i was looking on conceptz last night. Thinking about this myself...

 

Any thoughts on what stock internals can handle before they start to melt? curiosity question.. lol...

Hi Andy

I'm assuming you mean these mods m8?

 

Full Alunox exhaust system inc turbo elbows

GReddy Profec BII Electronic Boost Controller

DTA55 chipped ECU - Boy does it work well!!

Blitz BOV's on Hard Pipes

K&N Induction Kit

 

TBH getting the engine stripped and bearings changed was more to do with reliability and let's face it this is the best time to do it while the engine is out, rather than a performance upgrade sorta thing. Got a price for that work and it is a bit of a no-brainer to me. I note what smithy says too about pistons, I was intending to run stock (or rather leave them alone if they are OK), but at an extra £300ish if Smithy is right then hmmmmm sounds a it tempting to me

 

The mods on your car are kinda what I was wondering about

 

I already have HKS Boost Controller, no Idea how that compares to your Greddy though

 

Already have chipped ECU but honestly don't know what chip as it was done before I got the car - Jeff at ZWorld said it 'pulls very well' when he test drove her, whatever it is

 

I got some rather loud BOVs they are mounted either side of the intake under the nose panel - no idea what they are though - will see if I can get some pics

 

Not sure the intake/air filter is stock TBH. Turbos and SMICs are stock AFAIK

 

Thanks for the advice though, seems what I would like to achieve for what I want to pay is realistiic

 

Also I echo Harbys question about stock engine parts melting.

 

cheers Rich

Edited April 22, 201312 yr by dicky96
speeling mistaks

OK I have decided the knock on my old engine is getting a bit worse now so I've decided to get the good spare one I have fitted instead. I was gonna leave it till end of hte summer but I just don't trust the old one enough

 

I've booked the car in to have the engines swapped early/mid May as I will be away sunning myself for about 3 weeks and want it back for the Summer shows, so it seems he ideal opportunity.

 

I've had a real good think about what I want to achieve (as well as stopping the car knocking lol) and come to the decision I would like to get the best performance I can out of the replacement engine, whilst stilll keeping stock internals. If I want to do more in the future I'll still have my old engine to play with

 

My intentions are:

 

1* Get the engine stripped down, replace bearings and 'freshen it up'. Keep stock internal spec.

 

2* Either get the turbos refurbished, upgrade them while keeping the old housings, or fit larger ones

 

3* Maybe do something to upgrade the intake pipework and intercoolers

 

4* Not sure about injectors, probably keep the stock ones but get them cleaned up

 

5* Ask Noz to work his remap magic :thumbup1:

 

I already have HKS boost controller, some sort of upgraded 'chip', aftermarket dump valves and aftermarket decat exhaust

 

If i could get 400bhp out of the car I would be over the moon with the results, this is an occasional use road car / show car but I may be tempted to take it on a track day

 

So that's what I would like to achive - advice (and approx costs on steps 2 3 and 4) gratefuily accepted

 

Noz - I'll PM you about 5.

 

cheers

Rich

 

Hi mate, got your PM, I've only just popped in for some food before heading out again for some mapping work. I'll go through everything and give you as much info as possible regarding the entire build as soon as I get chance.

 

Cheers :)

There's some Carrillo connecting rods and competition valves on eBay at the minute

Any more input on this please?

 

It looks like I have a timescale now ... prob travelling to Spain Madrid airport 13th May, doing a 'bit of a tour' via Madrid, Seville, Ronda, Gibraltar, Torremolinos, Almeria and Benidorm, then back from Alicante airport 5th June

 

So I really need to sort what I am gonna be doing before then and get things in motion

 

Car booked in with Jeff@Zedworld around 9th/10th May for engine refurb and swap so it will be ready for the Trentham show mid June

 

Rich

Edited April 23, 201312 yr by dicky96

On a budget to get the "best" out of a stock engine, you basically want to make it breath as efficiently as possible and reduce as much unsprung mass as possible. Something along these lines should be a guide

 

Wiesco Pistons and Rings

Stock rods (If i remember correctly, stock rods are pretty strong, pistons not so much. I cracked a ring land on a stock piston on stock boost and timing. Never found out what caused it)

ACL Big end and Crank bearings

Check valves are seated properly - if not, regrind (you want compression to be as good as possible)

If you can stretch, a mild port and polish on the heads

2.5 inch intercooler piping

Uprated intercoolers

AMS Exhaust manifolds

Divorced Down Pipes

Decat pipes

Light weight pulley kit

Light weight flywheel

Youll need an uprated clutch to run circa 400hp (I run RPS Street max, but ive heard good things about the High 5 paddle clutch recently)

555 injectors or Adjustable fuel pressure reg (Speak to Noz about this about which he thinks is best route to be safe on fuelling)

Boost controller

On a budget to get the "best" out of a stock engine, you basically want to make it breath as efficiently as possible and reduce as much unsprung mass as possible. Something along these lines should be a guide

 

Wiesco Pistons and Rings

Stock rods (If i remember correctly, stock rods are pretty strong, pistons not so much. I cracked a ring land on a stock piston on stock boost and timing. Never found out what caused it)

ACL Big end and Crank bearings

Check valves are seated properly - if not, regrind (you want compression to be as good as possible)

If you can stretch, a mild port and polish on the heads

2.5 inch intercooler piping

Uprated intercoolers

AMS Exhaust manifolds

Divorced Down Pipes

Decat pipes

Light weight pulley kit

Light weight flywheel

Youll need an uprated clutch to run circa 400hp (I run RPS Street max, but ive heard good things about the High 5 paddle clutch recently)

555 injectors or Adjustable fuel pressure reg (Speak to Noz about this about which he thinks is best route to be safe on fuelling)

Boost controller

 

That's an impressive budget list, at that rate throwing in some sport 500's for gt525's would be a negligent price.

Is that stock..? :biggrin:

 

On a budget to get the "best" out of a stock engine, you basically want to make it breath as efficiently as possible and reduce as much unsprung mass as possible. Something along these lines should be a guide

 

Wiesco Pistons and Rings

Stock rods (If i remember correctly, stock rods are pretty strong, pistons not so much. I cracked a ring land on a stock piston on stock boost and timing. Never found out what caused it)

ACL Big end and Crank bearings

Check valves are seated properly - if not, regrind (you want compression to be as good as possible)

If you can stretch, a mild port and polish on the heads

2.5 inch intercooler piping

Uprated intercoolers

AMS Exhaust manifolds

Divorced Down Pipes

Decat pipes

Light weight pulley kit

Light weight flywheel

Youll need an uprated clutch to run circa 400hp (I run RPS Street max, but ive heard good things about the High 5 paddle clutch recently)

555 injectors or Adjustable fuel pressure reg (Speak to Noz about this about which he thinks is best route to be safe on fuelling)

Boost controller

OK I left this a bit open ended but hmmm...... I was thinking of keeping things a bit more stock than that to be honest

 

Not to say I won't do more later but right now I don't have a vast amount of money to throw at this

 

I got the price to refurb the engine and swap them over from Jeff, and I am OK with that

 

I already got the decat exhaust and HKS boost control and some sort of chipped ECU. So OK - maybe better SMICs or FMIC and upgrade the turbos is possibly on the cards plus some pipework etc

 

Now let's say I have another £1000 on top of the engine refresh/swap.... so to do something with the turbos, intakes, intercoolers etc may be in order

 

If it really comes down to priorities then I would prefer to do now what is best done while the engine is out, then do the other stuff afterwards when I have more money to spare

 

Given that sort of budget and that proviso does it narrow the options down a bit?

 

 

Rich

Edited April 24, 201312 yr by dicky96

Imho if you opening up the engine,youll need to re ring it at least,if the pistons are good that is,if the budget wont stretch to forged pistons then get the bores measured if they are in tolerance then get some new Rock pistons from Z1,the bores will need honing for this to de glaze them so the new rings bed in,its a no brainer to restore compression with new rings or pistons and not do the heads as the youll get problems,if they are flat after removal have the valve faces and seats re cut so they seal correctly,the exhaust valve seats will be badly pitted with age so its a must.stock gaskets will be fine if your not chasing crazy power.Get the crank checked for size and ovality have some new shells put in.have any seals changed and get a new timing belt,water pump,thermostat and bridge hoses.At least then youll have some faith in it.The biggest power increase you can make aside tubs injectors etc is using larger diameter intercooler pipes.The stock ones are restrictive and dyno tests in the states have shown amazing gains by fitting them.Youll pick up quite a bit of torque and quicker spool with them.

Thanks Jimmer

 

Re the internals I am a bit in the hands of Jeff at Zedworld as I have entrusted him to do the that part of the job, having been very happy with all the work he has previously done for me. I do have a quoted price, though it does not include all the work you suggest

 

TBH I am a bit in the hands of the experts here

 

I did discuss with Jeff about upgrading the turbo internals which was not included in the price and TBH would take care of a great deal of the extra cash I have. if I choose to do so.

 

It makes some sense to me what you say though, spending the budget on engine internals while it is stripped down

 

Jeff, Noz, others... advice??

 

I would really like to spend this money wisely.

 

Rich

Edited April 24, 201312 yr by dicky96

Full exhaust system (2.5" minimum) inc suitable elbows

Dual intakes

FMIC or upgrade SMICs

2.5" intercooler pipework

All the deletes (PRVR, carbon canister, AIVs etc), including rerouting the oil breather system

555s or adjustable FPR depending on turbo choice & overall power goal

S13 T25s or S14 T28s are a good option if you do decide to upgrade the turbos, they are easily available and can be rebuilt relatively cheaply if required as they are journal bearing items. Not a direct bolt-on, however.

Based on budget, concentrate on the engine. As others have said, new bearings and forged pistons a must. I would consider MSP manifolds, and check your turbo's over - if they're ok then stay with stock.

 

Pretty much all the rest can be done at a later date when funds become available.

if you have a grand left over ...big brakes !!!

everybody forgets brakes and handeling mods :)

Brakes are for softies Dave....:ninja:

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