Stephen Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 i did and guess what it ate me alive, im sure had we both taken off at teh same time rather than him shooting offa nd me trying to catch up it may well of been slightly coler run, but damn they move! i do however think from that little experiment that a lightly modded 300 running around the 380 bhp range could keep up if not over take in a straight line, as although i never gained on him i also didnt disappear into the rear veiw mirror. quite surpruised how well an 21 year old auto kept up with a 50k supercar. he still had me though, obviously this was a lovely track session, and much more fun was had. :D Quote
Anthonyd Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 Had a go in project one before it was mapped running 360bhp, did ok on the straight which was the only run we got. Quote
big_jim Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 When i went to Oulton park in the M3, there was a new GTR. Made me look like i wasn't moving!! Was chatting to him in the pits and he was getting 4.4MPG! Quote
Stephen Posted May 23, 2011 Author Posted May 23, 2011 tahst the trouble i guesss you assume there standard, pretty sure that one was else i would have disappered with my measley 300bhp and grannie box combo. first time ive seen one punch it. im starting to like them more and more, i met one of the nissan chaps teh other day he said they are depreating really bad. Quote
jaffa Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 I'm looking forward to playing with them in the summer. Even if you just stay on track for 5+laps they'll have to come in to cool their gearbox down :) Quote
Stephen Posted May 23, 2011 Author Posted May 23, 2011 anyone recon they will drop to about 10k in about 10 years time? Quote
Baz Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 anyone recon they will drop to about 10k in about 10 years time? You'll be lucky, R34 GTRs are still holding very well and these will hold even better I should imagine. Quote
Stephen Posted May 23, 2011 Author Posted May 23, 2011 :( lets hope some sort of tax comes out making them cheap to have a second car but very exopensive as a first car. Quote
indian_zx Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 guys trust me no standard zed or or maybe even one around 360 will do one. im talking from expericence and i was in my mates supra modified and there difference was still massive, the GTR was chipped and i didnt get to ask him what bhp it was running but still was a massive difference from launch to the end.. Quote
big_jim Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 They are mass produced compared to the r34, so i bet they will go cheaper faster, but time will tell. Ive seen them for £37k already. When i went to get the spigot bush from Nissan, they had 4 for sale! Quote
Guest HollowPoint Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 They won't hold their value anywhere near as well as the R34 did, for a start they're uglier, secondly they're slower (Watch some YouTube videos of R34 vs R35) and thirdly they keep breaking down. My old MD has one, it's barely ever at work anymore, broken sat nav, engine management issues, gearbox problems, one time the oil even turned to jelly on a motorway run because the oil cooler wasn't efficient enough. I'd rather have an R34 any day, a proper skyline and a proper GTR. The R35 to me, and most purist GTR fans is a BIG let down. Quote
Ossian Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 One had a little toy with me 2 years ago, tbh I was surprised he didnt pull away from me as much as i'd expected. That is until he launched it at a double round about, fook me they can handle, i would have ended up in the field at the speed he went round them. Quote
indian_zx Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 One had a little toy with me 2 years ago, tbh I was surprised he didnt pull away from me as much as i'd expected. That is until he launched it at a double round about, fook me they can handle, i would have ended up in the field at the speed he went round them. yep same as this guy, he luanched it round a roundabout lol, handled extremely well Quote
PhilP Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 They won't hold their value anywhere near as well as the R34 did, for a start they're uglier, Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For me the r34 is ugly and boxy. Between an r33 and r34 - i choose a r33 everyday. The r35 isn't designed to be beautiful, its purposeful and aggressive looking. Pulls it off well i think. secondly they're slower (Watch some YouTube videos of R34 vs R35) Err no they're not. r34 was officially rated at 280bhp - perhaps pushing a bit over 300hp in reality. r35 rated at 480bhp - pushing 505bhp in reality. Based on owners dyno runs from the GTROC. Modified cars can't be compared - then it all comes down to individual modifications and how far you want to push it and budget. and thirdly they keep breaking down. My old MD has one, it's barely ever at work anymore, broken sat nav, engine management issues, gearbox problems, one time the oil even turned to jelly on a motorway run because the oil cooler wasn't efficient enough. He's in the minority then. As a regular on the GTROC there are very few reported problems even on the highly tuned models. As with any car the very early cars (typically the jap imports) had some issues, but a very reliable car it seems. Quote
Paul C Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 I think you are all on drugs - the R35 went round the ring like it was on rails & done the top gear track quicker than many supercars!! It would be nice to think that with an exhaust intake & boost increase we would keep up with the GTR but in reality I think we would be handed our asses on a plate LOL! Quote
beermonster Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 Indeed if he had being giving it some proper right foot you'd have been left for dead, its around 3 seconds faster on the quarter mile which is ages. Quote
Coolq Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 new skyline is a giant killer a 12 second monster. and nearly 500hp standard. not to mention a 3.8 twin turbo if im correct in what ive read. seriously, comparing a 300zx to it, is like comparing. an i phone to the 1st nokia out LMAO. Quote
big_jim Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 new skyline is a giant killer a 12 second monster. and nearly 500hp standard. not to mention a 3.8 twin turbo if im correct in what ive read. seriously, comparing a 300zx to it, is like comparing. an i phone to the 1st nokia out LMAO. Your alive! Did you get my pm? Quote
LeoE Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 They won't hold their value anywhere near as well as the R34 did, for a start they're uglier, secondly they're slower No they're not. The R34 wouldn't see which way an R35 went (stock for stock). That's based on the numbers though, I've not been in either. I agree about them not holding their value as well as an R34 though. There were about 12,000 R34 GTR's produced. I can't find production numbers for the R35 but I would guess it's a lot more, especially as it will be distributed worldwide, whereas the R34 was not. I think R34's are appreciating in value already... Quote
indian_zx Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 well ven though e30 m3 kept some value compared to e36 m3's so i still reckon the r35 will hold its value slightly higher than the r34 lowest will see around 20k and thatll be a high milear. seriously i think people have not really seen what this machine is capable of, ive ran it against my GTO when I was running 420 at the time and i was still having a hard time keeping up even though my car was lighter, of course now i have over 500bhp im expecting it to atleast be even as gearing on gtr etc will still be better... Quote
Guest HollowPoint Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 (edited) Numbers don't mean shit, I can tell you as someone who's owned a GTR, driven several and worked as a mechanic on more, you can pit an R32, R33, R34 all against each other, the differences on paper are quite large, the differences on the track (And no I'm not talking about American straight line racing, or the other stupid one where they only turn left) are negligible. I've been round Silverstone in a 450 - 500bhp R32 GTR (Mine when I still had it), with over 30 other Skylines on the track at the same time, GTS-Ts, GTR's of all ranges from R32 to R34 (The R35 wasn't released back then) and there is very little in it when it comes down to it, the 33s and 34s tend to have a little more straight line speed, but despite the improved 4wd and 4ws systems, they have more weight and don't do as well in the corners as the 32. You can quote BHP at me until you're blue in the face, I couldn't give a bleep, if you really want to dig through the facts, the torque, the power to weight, the "To the wheels" torque and bhp figures, plus things like gear change speed, cornering ability etc etc etc. not to even mention driver ability (Most people that actually own an R35 (I said most, not all) are people like my old MD, mid forties rich men, who can't actually drive) then fine, let's meet up with some top trumps cards and hash it out, otherwise, if you really don't know and have never driven one, or any of them, or better yet, any of them on a track, then shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol :D For gods sake please don't take this post as seriously as you took my last one, *looks for the tongue in cheek icon*, however, whoever said they don't like skylines, that's fine, the R35 isn't one :P One other thing, ALL of the models, R32 - R34 were "Officially rated" at 280 bhp because there was a "gentlemens agreement" in Japan that none of the manufacturers would make a road car higher than 280bhp, most of them however, were way over that. Do people really think the RB26DETT stayed at the same brake horsepower for more than 15 years? Come on. Lots of owners on dyno'ing their standard cars found they were much higher than 280bhp. I used to be a regular on GTROC, back in the days when I had a GTR, when I buy another (One day baby, one day) I'll go back on there. Edited May 23, 2011 by HollowPoint Quote
Yowser Posted May 24, 2011 Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) I thought you were all talking about the Z32 vs the R35......and then R35 vs Skylines.... ....so how did tuned versions of the R32 vs R33 vs R34 become a valid argument that the R34 is quicker than a R35 and that things like massive power-to-weight differences, 0-60/100, 1/4mile and track times dont matter. :confused1: Are we going to argue that the MG Metro is quicker than a Porsche 911, becuase this one time at band camp.... :nana2::nana2::nana2::nana2::nana2::nana2::nana2: :whistling: Edited May 24, 2011 by Yowser Quote
jaffa Posted May 24, 2011 Posted May 24, 2011 I think you are all on drugs - the R35 went round the ring like it was on rails & done the top gear track quicker than many supercars!! It would be nice to think that with an exhaust intake & boost increase we would keep up with the GTR but in reality I think we would be handed our asses on a plate LOL! agreed, reckon you need at least 500hp in a lightened 300 to keep up. That's against stock, what's really scary is just just how wide a power band the R35 has and how easily it hits 600hp with not much more than a chip & exhaust Anyhow, I'm looking for forward to trying the theory out :gunsmilie: Quote
leo-r32gts Posted May 24, 2011 Posted May 24, 2011 Too be fair - from what I've read about David Yu's GTR in evo magazine, its not quite that simple to liberate 600 hp. For a start, tuners will see you coming - try 2000 quid for an exhaust system and so on.. As for performance - I innihilated one when my car was working! He was going in the opposite direction, but when I put my foot down he disappeared from view!! Seriously though - the GTR has 7 gears and is capable of full bore upshifts. Nevermind the fact it has 150+bhp more and weighs nearly 400kg more - that gearbox is worth a few seconds to a hundred and gives much better in-gear acceleration too. Even if you had the same power to weight ratio, it would still destroy you with 2 extra cogs in the box. The GTR is one serious mo fo car, that's why it can take on ferrari's, porsches and lambo's costing vastly more money AND competely humble them on a damp bumpy backroad. If anyone is in any doubt, I suggest you get a few back copies of evo's Car Of The Year issue - these guys drive exotica everyday and still were blown away by the GTR.. If you want to take on of these bad boys down, I think you'll need at least 500 brake and have shed a few kilo's too. If its a drag race or even slightly damp - forget it. Quote
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