Hi guys,

 

Got the new car on Wednesday eve knowing that I had to replace the PCV's to stop the exhaust smoke on the drivers side, passenger is ok. These were supplied with the car and I fitted these this afternoon.

 

I also have topped up the oil as it was a bit low and have added a bottle of hydraulic lifter treatment as I had a ticking at the top of the engine.

 

Anyway......... After all that I still get a lot of oil smoke when its been idling for about 3-5 minutes. It idles at about 900rpm and there is a distinct 'chugging' sound. It also doesn't seem as powerful as before.

 

History on the car from the ad was engine rebuilt a few years ago and recently had both turbos replaced.

 

Any help please guys as I have no idea what could be the drama apart from a fooked turbo.

 

Cheers, Rob

Take a plug out see if its covered in oil...

Take a plug out see if its covered in oil...

 

That was the next thing to try, waiting for the old fella to get back with the long socket extender.

 

Just did an ECU diagnostic and came up no fault found.

I had this, sorry to say but might be turbos

Or the rings?

What colour is the smoke?

what colour is the smoke? this could help a fair way. and does it get worse at certain conditions ie on boost on the over run etc.

Right guys,

 

Took the plugs out and nothing abnormal. A bit of light brown at the tip.

 

The smoke is white and smells awful. Its worst when its been idling for about 3-4 mins. I put my boot down and got a puff but nothing as bad as when idling.

white is normally water. if youve got a compression tester its worth doing. and maybe a radator sniffer. has the car been stood about for a while? might just need a good run to clear the pipes out.

Trying to get a comp tester but no luck at the mo. Dunno if its been stood for a while, whats your idea of a good run? I'm supposed to be driving to Wales from Basingstoke tomorrow.

yeh that will do it, take a look under the filler cap but if it was showing signs there it would prob sound shite. aswel. if its been stood about it might just been that its saturated with condensation through the engine and needs a good blow out. watch that temp needle! its not very accurate tho so if it starts to rise time to pull over. your already overheating :*( if you were burning oil id expect blue smoke. and carbonated plugs. lets hope its simple :D

yeh that will do it, take a look under the filler cap but if it was showing signs there it would prob sound shite. aswel. if its been stood about it might just been that its saturated with condensation through the engine and needs a good blow out. watch that temp needle! its not very accurate tho so if it starts to rise time to pull over. your already overheating :*( if you were burning oil id expect blue smoke. and carbonated plugs. lets hope its simple :D

 

Filler cap is ok mate no mayonnaise. The engine sounds ok apart from the chugging from the exhaust. Temp needle is remains half way and the oil needle reads about 2 on the guage. However I know the guages are sh1te LOL.

yeh take it gentle. get that engine and everything fully up to tempreture. i know if mines been sat a fair while, especially outside. it will blow condensation for a fair while. once up to temp though its fine and the next day it willl be fine.

Does yours blow from both exhausts or just one ?

both but i have a cross pipe so its irrelivant in that sense tbh. i think its probally worse due my exhust being shot. its like swiss cheese atm. got a new one on the way tho.. pretty sure the rust holds the moisture

Right guys,

 

Took the plugs out and nothing abnormal. A bit of light brown at the tip.

 

The smoke is white and smells awful. Its worst when its been idling for about 3-4 mins. I put my boot down and got a puff but nothing as bad as when idling.

 

Im afraid you prolly have a goosed turbo,with what youve explained its 99% certain.

Im afraid you prolly have a goosed turbo,with what youve explained its 99% certain.

 

Thats the feeling I get too mate. I have a UK car with a set of turbos, would these fit ok? New car is JDM. Also whats the score with driving it?

Uk tubs will fit chap but its quite a bit of work if the replacements turn out to be no good,make sure the oil feeds are good if you do use them.Some cars with worn tubs can limp on for a while but it could let go and break up which can empty the engine of oil causing further damage,your call mate really.

Copied from a old post i made when i was thinking about fixing my breaker

 

- Steam - White - Dissipates quite quickly when exiting the exhausts - cold mornings while the condensation builds up and then gets heated up on the inside of the exhaust

- PCV - White with a tinge of blue - Hangs around a bit longer and isnt noticeable on boost - Tends to smoke from start and also while driving not large amounts of smoke but has a hint of oil smell about it

- Over filling with oil on oil change - White with a tinge of blue - same as PCV

- Beginning of turbo seal failure - White with a tinge of blue - Smells of exhaust gas mixed with oil - happens after 4 to 5 minutes of idling after a drive and can be noticeable on boost

- Turbo seal failure - Heavy white / blue smoke - Smells very thick of oil - happens from engine start and fogs the place out smoke lingers and makes your car look like its onfire lol

- Over fueling - Strong smell of unburnt fuel - Smoke is light gray to heavy soot happens from engine start but not as noticeable unless driving

- Head gasket failure - Thick white clouds of smoke - very lumpy engine - noticeable at all rev ranges

 

Ok this isn't a comprehensive list of symptoms and causes, but this is what my vast amount of research most commonly pointed to. PLEASE NOTE some symptoms mirror other causes, so its best to start with the simple and easy to reach things and eliminate them first as possible causes [/Quote]

Uk tubs will fit chap but its quite a bit of work if the replacements turn out to be no good,make sure the oil feeds are good if you do use them.Some cars with worn tubs can limp on for a while but it could let go and break up which can empty the engine of oil causing further damage,your call mate really.

 

Cheers bud,

 

Only looking at driving it to a garage for repairs. Will have to do some serious thinking.

 

Will have to see how much Jeff charges, do you do this kind of work too?

Thats the feeling I get too mate. I have a UK car with a set of turbos, would these fit ok? New car is JDM. Also whats the score with driving it?

 

You could drive it, but you will knacker the turbo quicker. also you might get pulled over by the plod if the seal knackers completely while driving and you fog out everyone behind you.

Copied from a old post i made when i was thinking about fixing my breaker

 

thats a nice little paragraph that vods

Cheers for that vodkashots, from the list would seem the beginning of turbo seal failure is the problem.

You could also gain some more info from the seller.

Exactly when were the turbo's replaced as from your post, it seems sometime after the engine rebuild, so when is important.

 

Was it only the drivers side that was knackered prior to these turbos being fitted, again this will point to a knackered turbo now, being the same side and obviously for the same reason, i would expect Oil feed problem.

 

Is it decattted, if so when and finally if it turns out to be a knackered turbo, did the seller sell the car stating it was worn PCV's as cause of smoke, if so would he now help out no matter how small, knowing it is something else.

 

Worth a call mate!

Smithy

thats a nice little paragraph that vods

 

 

 

Cheers for that vodkashots, from the list would seem the beginning of turbo seal failure is the problem.

 

NP guys, ill get around to making smoking guide for people and stick it in the FAQ section for easy reference.

 

When the engine came out of my breaker. the turbo elbow was being held on by 1 bolt. the turbo its self had suffered catastrophic failure due to the oil seal failing. the smoke was unbelievable but only came from the drivers side. you could tell it was the turbo as the oil was dripping from the join at the elbow.

 

Now you could drive your car with oil seal failure, but it will only be a matter of time before you completely wreck it, as the turbo will still spool up.

 

If it does it while driving like mine did (mine did it on the way to the MOT) You will create a hazard for other drivers, and instead of being able to get them reconditioned, you will be looking at a replacement.

 

Your current choices are, get them reconditioned with 360 degree bearings and new oil seals. or just replace them. Either way, the turbos will have to come off the car. Hope that helps in your decision.