maybe a sensetive question, but ive heard a story today about a brother and sister being taken from their grandparents (against the childeren and grandparents will) for some reason about the social workers getting bonus for deploying kids to foster familys, now if that wasnt enough the children have been given to a gay couple (not sure on male or female)

 

this in my eyes is the biggest piss take, im not anti gay (ive learned my cousin is gay), but i dont approve-thats my view and im entitled to it, and i think handing two young children (around 5years of age i think) who will be disorientated enough to start with to a gay couple to be brought up in a normal family enviroment is just totally wrong

 

how are these young kids going to be better off within a family unit like this, its not really a normal family is it, imagine the stick they would get at school (kids will be kids), how mixed up are they going to be, there are so many life situations within this family unit that could really scupper a normal upbringing of these children

 

i think if you have gay feelings and want to live life that way then you should live a life as only gay people can, they cant have their own kids so why upset the lifes of a family unit the way it is supposed to (in my eyes) be

 

sorry if there are any gay people on here, but this story really upset me and got me thinking, would like to know the views of other people wether gay or not

was trying to clean up the thread without people questioning "why did viniboy say that" lol, you do a good job bud

isaac

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was trying to clean up the thread without people questioning "why did viniboy say that" lol, you do a good job bud

 

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was trying to clean up the thread without people questioning "why did viniboy say that" lol, you do a good job bud

 

Furry Muff mate. :D

My post was deleted :rofl:

 

Its still true what i said that the kid will grow up all confused and thinks its perfectly normal.

 

There is also more of it on tv than there is with a man and a women:rant:

isaac

 

You rang :D :rofl:

My post was deleted :rofl:

 

Its still true what i said that the kid will grow up all confused and thinks its perfectly normal.

 

There is also more of it on tv than there is with a man and a women:rant:

 

i agree, and a better way of saying it on the forum lol

cant under stand why post have been deleated its a debate in which people have different veiws which is why the topic was being discussed ..

Edited February 4, 200916 yr by stellaZ

i agree, and a better way of saying it on the forum lol

 

pop it into off topic then:)

i agree, and a better way of saying it on the forum lol

 

It was a bit hash i surpose :)

Well lets put it this way, gay or straight, single parent families or 2 parent families it doesn't make any difference these days.

 

It's the old nature/nurture debate, having gays parents doesn't send you gay as Johnyboy correctly stated, he made his own choice from having a "normal" family.

 

Most homes are broken these days, and have been for many years. People have affairs, people fight and argue, there's violence in the family home which children is witness to.

 

I'm a straight, none smoking male who hopes he can settle down and raise a family with his other half. If i was gay if i settled down with a guy i'm going to be no worse a parent than if i settle down with the missus. The child would make his or her own mind up.

 

Smoking only affects your kids if you do it with them there, drinking around your kids affects them only if you get them to drink with you in the long run.

 

On the other hand you could say it makes them want to do these things later but i can honestly say my dad smoked all through my childhood and I never felt the urge to follow in his footsteps. It's in your genes.

 

If you're gay, the way your brain is wired might or might not be passed on to your child same as if you're an alchoholic or smoker.

 

So what i'm ultimately saying is if you're gay, you won't "turn" a kid purely by nurture just broaden their view on life and give them the choice to do what they want.

100% no.

they should not be allowed.

 

and that case mentioned my stellaz is a total disgrace

............ gay isnt natural (thats a fact)

 

I would say that gay isn't natural to heterosexuals but is completely natural to the gay community.

 

I have seen young adults (on TV) who were raised from birth by their natural mother and her lesbian partner, and these guys seemed like level headed normal blokes, who themselves were heterosexuals.

 

I do believe that a gay couple could raise children, but each circumstance should be examined and determined on the facts. In the instance of case highlighted by StellaZ, I most certainly do not agree with kids being placed with a gay couple in preference to a male/female couple. That said kids are not put in foster care for the sake of it. The were obviously in a living hell whether that is a dysfunctional family or a completely impoverished scenario and to be taken care of by a gay couple might be relief for the poor wee things.

 

For that reason I can't vote as to me its not really a black or white issue.

Edited February 4, 200916 yr by chayden

... at the end of the day gay isnt natural (thats a fact)

 

You're probably going to hate me for trying to bring the subject of God back up, but...

 

If we weren't designed and created by and outside being, then if you think about it, being gay is as natural as anything else you can do, in fact it's not possible to be 'unnatural', because we define 'nature' (that's not what I believe BTW)

In answer to both of the above. I may sound like a bigot or anti gay? I am not really thats the truth. I have a friend who is gay I know a gay couple My sister in laws boy friend has a best mate who is gay and I am close to a few lesbians (although not close enough) :rofl: . BUT it isnt proper and natural. I obviously dont have to go into physics and sexuallity but our reproductive organs are there for that reason and that reason alone. We the human race have made them a thing of pleasure and not only purpose and these organs are designed to couple. Thats my reasoning behind my statment chaps :) A fanny is designed to take a cock unlike an arse that isn't. You cant argue with nature now can you? I say live and let live but please dont force it on children who are not able to make these kind of descisions themselves.

 

Anyway if it were natural then there would be no point in this thread? :)

 

I'm done :x:

on the case that stella mentioned it does not seem right that the kids are taken from grandparents irrgardless of if they went to straight or gay foster parents.

the sad facts are most children are neglected/abused within their natural hetrosexual family, so i for 1 would rather see a child being brought up in a loving secure gay household and take the chance of what their final sexual orientation will be, afterall most gay people have been raised in a hetrosexual environment.

in the strictest sense we are all probably sexually deviant(anything other than the missionary position used to pro-create) and speaking of which orrifice of the body is made for taking what!!!! from conversations over the years with female friends of all ages a lot of men like nothing better than to give it up the a.. to their female partner(sorry for being crude). to say nothing of enjoying woman on woman porn movies.

live and let live is my motto, and for those that dont know me im a mother of 5 and granny to 5 as well.

I A fanny is designed to take a cock unlike an arse that isn't. You cant argue with nature now can you?

 

Well a womans behind isn't but why is a man's "g" spot located deep in his ass.

 

And no, no, no I never experienced it. My God what sort of argument am I putting up here? And no I'm not gay. (I was harrassed continuously as a youth by an adult gay lunatic until I was 17 and it didn't end nicely...for him). Maybe I should stop being the devils advocate in these sorts of debate? Ah no, f**k it I love testing peoples beliefs :).

 

Colm

Edited February 5, 200916 yr by chayden

Coming from a background where my parents split up when I was 7-8 and going through a nasty divorce (still don't really speak after 25 years!) my perspective is a little different.

 

Knowing how I felt at that time and how I believe it affected the way my personality and behaviour developed as a result, I would say the following. As long as the child is raised in a loving and safe home then I really don't see the problem with who actually raises the child, irrespective of gender, sexuality, race etc.

 

The important fact is how the child feels about it, not how society does; and if that child is indifferent to it and is happy and loved, wheres the issue?

 

There's too much other sh!t in the world to worry about than something like this, in my opinion...

 

Gareth (straight, married, one wonderful daughter) :)

one question, do children have a say in what kind of adults are offered to look after them and if not why not?

As long as the children are happy then there is no problem.

 

I would rather see children in a happy home with parents that love and care for them (homosexual or hetrosexual) that with parents that don't give a shit about them.

 

The world is a cruel place. Children need good parents to learn what is right and what is wrong. Being homosexual is not wrong. It's just viewed as wrong by some people because they are either ignorant or do not understand why some people are homosexual.

 

Race, religion, sexual orientation and politics. There's no right or wrong. It's just the individual opinion that puts you in the agree/disagree bracket. If you are open minded about these things you learn to understand (you don't have to agree) how and why people are this way.

Well a womans behind isn't but why is a man's "g" spot located deep in his ass.

 

And no, no, no I never experienced it. My God what sort of argument am I putting up here? And no I'm not gay. (I was harrassed continuously as a youth by an adult gay lunatic until I was 17 and it didn't end nicely...for him). Maybe I should stop being the devils advocate in these sorts of debate? Ah no, f**k it I love testing peoples beliefs :).

 

Colm

 

OK but isnt anal sex between a man and woman illegal? G spots a wonderful discovery shame they are almost out of reach for us straights :D:D

 

AND I agree without any doubt a child would be better off with a gay couple than in an abusive enviroment. So I guess there are always exceptions to every rule? :cool:

That said kids are not put in foster care for the sake of it. The were obviously in a living hell whether that is a dysfunctional family or a completely impoverished scenario and to be taken care of by a gay couple might be relief for the poor wee things.

 

 

Well said that man......

 

I have worked on the fringes of social care, and have 2 good friends that run a council care home. When you meet some poor little sods, it is exactly like was said above. A relief for the kid, regardless of sexuality of the carer.

 

Does being a m/m or f/f couple make you any better or worse than a m/f couple? Probably not as individuals.........Bad parents, role models come in all shapes and sizes.

 

To extend what other folks have said, ALL potential foster parents etc etc will/should be vetted on an case by case basis, regardless of sexual leaning.

Unfortunately sometimes bad folks don't know they are being bad.

 

I would like to think suitable f/m couples would be preferred- not because I have an issue with m/m or f/f couples, I have met some very decent same sex foster parents, but more to keep it simpler for the kids.

OK but isnt anal sex between a man and woman illegal?

 

Is that true??? :confused:

 

What do they do to enforce this law :rofl: :rofl:

My opinion on Stella's question......

 

.....no I do not believe that homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt. In many cases children are offered (perhaps not the best choice of words) for adoption following the intervention of Social Services after they have suffered a dysfunctional life already. Said children must therefore have as normal a family upbringing as possible following their previous traumas; which can (IMO) only be provided by a loving mother and father.

 

I do appreciate that there may be many gay couples who could offer a stable home to a child. But most homosexuals probably would have resigned themselves to the fact they would never have children long ago.

 

As for the case that promted Stella's question; it's disgusting that the grandparents were not allowed to adopt or at the very least permanently foster the poor kids. Even worse that because they are opposed to gay adoption Social Services threaten them with never seeing their grandchildren again.

 

Richard