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just as i suspected - younger people prefer black - older people prefer red - so far that is...

thanks for the advice - but I'm really not mechanically able. everytime i've tried something it went wrong and i would just get a garage to do it again to it. plus i don't really have the time plus i want the car to be in perfect condition and when i was looking to buy my zed i saw so many cars that had amateurish work done on them that ended up looking poor... i want my zed to look like it's brand new by the time i'm finished with it - after all this has been done the next things will be; 1. interior leather - sure i could fit it myself - but look at steve300zx's car - it's a world of difference - especially those stick on panels - that's what i want - not the bubbled up version... 2. respray - stuck between a black (maybe the new beemer black) or the old 1992-1994 dark blue mettalic blue they can on the 3series of the time... 3. hids/leds possibly - don't really know if i want them 4. maybe some flashier exhausts... please bear in mind - i'm only a half owner of my car and my co-owner friend wouldn't allow me to do a half-arsed job... my car was bought in order to make it into one of the best looking and mechanically sound 300zxs around. it's courses for horses and we want this car looking pristine. and as we are splitting the bills 50/50 it's worth it to get it all done by a professional. Honestly now - do you know anyone who could fit leather for it to look as good steve300zx's? i don't - and i know that when ever i touch a car it turns out looking like a disaster... i'm a driver not a modder/mechanic/professional bodyworker...

we sure do - no offtops this time please and pics of your favourite zed in either colour more than welcome, thank you.

Previous BEST colour poll showed red and black zeds neck and neck! Let's try and get to the bottom of this once and for all, ladies and gents...

Rum, by any chance? :smw: thanks for the info

http://www.300zx.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=105441 :nono: Don't let the old folk shut you up, boy! :x: And don't forget to vote there, young man. :mad: Your 300zx community and forum needs YOU! :mad:

go on man - do it - do it to it! and don't forget to vote, young man - it's your civic duty! http://www.300zx.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=105441

there we go... my first poll! yay! http://www.300zx.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=105441

:D fingers crossed dont feel like paying £75 for a book! :D

It's black as there is already so much black on the car (the backend, the targas if you got them, the rubber) that it makes the car look far more of a polished product... red is a wanna-be ferrari - which the zed is not. also i bet if you did another poll red vs black only, red cars would be voted for by the... *ahem*... older... generation... *biting lip* (here it comes). sorry sorry sorry right now sorry - but that's my opinion... P.S. is there anyway to find out if i'm correct? maybe a poll like whats you favourite colour zed? 1. red (i'm less than 35yo) 2. red (>35) 3. black (35) i wonder if i can start a thread like that myself... hmmm

i'm afraid that might just be a starting bid :(

Dear fellow 300ZX lovers, I need work done on the zed! I need advice as to where and when to have it all carried out. I need estimates of know how long it will take and how much it will cost. All advice is much appreciated. I would like to hand the car over for X days and get it back with everything on here done. in one go. No timewasting I need to find suppliers who have the following asap so they can be fitted with the rest;1. Rear side reflectors in white or smoke (Mmmmm…) 2. Same momo handbrake handle as steve-300zx 3. New windscreen wipers all round! 4. Right-side pod but only in perfect condition! 5. Rearview mirror but only in perfect condition! 6. there’s a black round plastic screw cover missing from driver side interior handle hole 7. the passenger seat interior handle plastic looks faded. Need new in black I have these items, but they need fitting;8. I have the black rear Perspex no-light bit from zcentre 9. I have bought clear side indicators from ebay 10. Navan auto gear stick 11. Speedo MPH backplate from ebay 12. Speedo aluminium stick on backplate a la jay 13. Aluminium look centre panel that houses radio and vents a la jay 14. The boot cover I have is split at the bar on the end – needs sowing up on the back I have nearly acquired the following and they might need to be fitted; 15. black 2+2 leather electric seats – shame how missed cream leather from andy. Pics up please autoexpress! Lucky b’stad… 16. UK spec rear alloys for the 245 tyres Other bits that need sorting; 17. Re-affix front drivers trim near windscreen so it stops rattling (after botched alarm install – twat!) 18. Re-affix passenger side rattle coming plastic vertical line window trim to stop rattle 19. Installation of a Toad alarm and immobiliser with full window closure (have a number for a fellow who does it from a forum member – think he can come over to the garage where all the other work will be carried out BEFORE the trim is re-affixed to make sure there will be no rattle! Is this reasonable?) 20. Had an oil change 1000 miles ago, brake pads done on front, new tyres all round and general service, but not from a zed specialist. Just my local garage. Car drives fantastic, bit of squeaking from the brakes more recently. Should I get a full zed specialist service done yet? 21. General service – had a jap sticker on the engine saying cambelt and pump was done – now clock shows 59000miles – don’t know if it’s real, but if it isn’t the car is in very very good condition – should I get another cambelt change just in case? How much? Is it worth it? Can anything go wrong – my approach has been if ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Does this hold for the zed in your opinion? 22. Need to have auto gearbox oil checked and replaced if found to be necessary – feels fine to me – my friend says it might need it – my local garage says it certainly doesn’t 23. Check for any petrol/oil leaks as I have gotten the bad petrol smell several times this winter on a cold start – want this car in A1 condition – she deserves it! Optional things I am still considering if I want done during stage 1; 24. MOT would be nice after all the work is carried out as tax disc runs out end of march 25. Tinted windows – dark, but not pitch black in the rear and slight tint on the fronts – does this make sense to do now if you if I will get the car repainted in some months time? Should I do it then? 26. Get the new uk alloys (point 17) powdered in dolphin grey metallic. Yummie I have been very careful with this car – saw quite a few before I bought it, rac reports, the works – and it was worth it – now that I’ve had it for a few months, the V5 has arrived and I’ve done 1000 miles in it I know it’s a cracker… so I’m ready to invest in its health. I know it’s all good now and want this service to bring it up to scratch – slight makeover and a few gym sessions sort of thing… help me make this car into something that will do the forum proud. P.S. FunkSi – this is the time I need you most – you logical dissection services are in great demand. Help me, Help ZED! P.P.S. Don’t get an nsx get a Griffith! Or a Chim! P.P.P.S. I’ve been recommended ztech as good, but read some strange stories on here. Chris – can you do it all? Also please note I am ready to travel far and wide to get the best work carried out. Needless to say cost and time are factors… P.P.P.P.S. thanks to all who have supplied me with bits so far – you know who you are – and especially for all the great advice I’ve gotten from forum/300zx veterans. This experience would not have been so great without you all sharing your vast experience. Cheers ALL!

tried again and found it! cheers for that...

link please - didnt find that!

oh no, that book £75-£250 on amazon! wtf!? where can i get a copy - please don't make me buy this... :cry:

well put - my kinda guy... ;) or as Mr Blonde so aptly put it "If they hadn't done what I told 'em not to do, they'd still be alive"

agreed - awful heavy drive, too... 2 friends of mine one each - both said it was crap... drives like a tank - especially on motorways

COME ON! DON'T DO IT! THAT IS ONE GOOD LOOKING CAR YOU GOT THERE! do not do a thing. really, now. REALLY! :nono:

i would say it's a sports car, race car and grand tourer - or how about a sports tourer! whatever you want to call it - it's a great car. been really enjoying driving one again for the last 3 months - what a beautaye! OUW! the ease, the effortlessness, the sturdiness, the surge, the grace, the class - what a machine... to be quite honest i don't think that even nissan knew how great it would turn out - something about the car just clicks maybe its the wheelbase proportions, maybe the engine power delivery, maybe the handling - the combination is just ovewhelming... every road becomes a pleasure, the road imperfections are dismissed in nonchalance while driver feedback is precise - a sort of removal of all of the noise from the information... and that engine - the power delivery is just sooooo effortlessly clear and solid... i think that nissan somehow stumbled into some perfection point. It's like they engineered it as good as they could and then on top of that accidentally tripped into some sort of synergy area where the combined factor quality overflows above the initial design specifications in every direction. Only felt like this is in hardcore racers, never in such a subdued cruiser... 300zx i love you :bow: p.s. i wish we had a blushing smiley (/blushes)

you wanna join us when we do? :x: gimp style ;) p.s. nice exhausts!

dude, i'm so chilled... anymore i'd be catatonic... :cool:

this doesnt prove anything. engine location, seats etc have nothing to with classing a car in the supercar league. supercars are super cars big deal, again this does not make it a supercar - all the vvt engine (including bmws) had this. who cares if its na or turbo? nearly half of todays supercars have turbos - so what? I wonder when and where the term hypercar was invented - sounds a clarkson invention of the noughties... journalists must be one the two most awful professions in the world. in my book an enzo is supercar as is a veyron as is a 911 turbo. but i don't believe in labels or labeling things. sure a 911 turbo is the bottom end of the list between these three, but on the list - unlike an nsx... told you already 348 was fluke - worst ferrari ever i have been told by many. you are using an exception to prove a point. don't think an nsx in the original form could do a 5.5 - really do not - i have driven the car and i do not believe it for a second... maybe on slicks and dropping the throttle at 7k it could do it 5.6 ;) in my opinion at the time the benchmark was more like 360-400bhp - like the testarossa, 911 turbo, late countach early diablo labels again - other peoples labels, manufacturers labels, marketing peoples labels, blurgh - 4 seats and front engine do not make a car a gt... 300zx is a sports car and race car and a gt car as is a 456gt 2-3 years newer - I only brought up the 456gt as you brought up front engined layouts. check your posts. i bet you a late 328, generations and years older than an nsx, will be faster on a track. whats a monaro? is that the ozzie version of us "muscle car" - why are you even talking about it? even as a gt it is faster the superdoopercar - the nsx Anal - yes, very very anal, but i just replied to your attack. I put my case in straight and open. *YOU* took it upon yourself to try and shove your own misconceptions down my throat - according to you i was talking cobblers, rubbish, you questioned the credibilty of my words blah blah blah - all i did was try and explain my thinking on the subject. Personally i like the nsx... i think most people would buy one - at the right price. all i am saying is that you have to be obsessed with, which you seem to be, to pay the kind of money they want for it in the uk market, . and good luck to you. it's handling capabilities are good, it's styling nice but not great - it looks aged the in eyes of many. i just feel as though you would think twice about it if you you'd been in a good tvr or lotus or supra for that matter - the list goes on - for that money you can get an faster evo - smooth zed - better handling tiv or lotus or whatever. i think you might just be trying to validate a desire to cheaply run a supercar - and reliability is what honda are famous for. also interior of the nsx was and is very ugly and just plain poor in my opinion. so it is a sportscar after all then? ok, glad i could be of assitance. noone who has ever driven three supercars would class the nsx as a supercar. there is no discussion among adults. seat configuration a car does not define. went a bit yoda there. what about the previous zeds? they were just as fast in their time? first thing that you've said that makes any sense on this thread. all that remains is to understand that probably the only reason you want an nsx is because it's more expensive and exclusive than the zed and having had a zed you want a cheaper, more reliable car - enjoy it... and probably the reason you want something more expensive and exclusive is because you want to be "different" and "better" than the jones's. and i have no problem with that. it's just a shame because i think you won't enjoy it as much as a zed and many other cars that are within that price bracket... I think we owe each other a pint! you coming to the may meet?

now we're talking dude! I also like the c3 for some strange reason, but really toyed with the idea of a c6 last spring... took it for a test drive and realised i have nowhere to drive such a powerful car :cry: somehow it didnt feel right, but most of all left hand drive, dude, it like, sucks... basically i like all of em except c4+c5 howzzat? plus you can't get one in the uk without thinking about a tvr... more my kinda muscle :smw:

and why is that? because someone put the letters gt behind the 456 number on the badge. let's try and be smart here. they did that because they needed to sell it they had to re-introduce the third line of cars. I have driven a 456 and i will tell you that it matches the handling of the nsx and it's way more powerful... what about the 550? and i assure you in a professionals hands that manual 456GT which has over 430bhp (that's over 160 bhp more than an nsx 270, i'll put it in other terms the nsx needs 60% more power - yes it needs another 1.6 times more power to have the same output!) What about the power to weight ratio i hear you cry! yes cry! what about it? - i'll tell you what about it. the facts are like this: 456gt 435bhp about 400 ftlb of torque - nsx 275bhp about 210 ftlb of torque plus all the power on the nsx is so far up the rev range it takes much longer to get there and when you get there it's still slower resulting in bhp/ton 255 vs nsx measely 195 5.1 0-60 vs nsx let's say 5.9 for arguments sake! 0-100mph 11.6 on the 456gt vs nsx 1/4 mile 13.3 - 14sec top speed 185mph vs 165mph yanks have put twin turbos and twin superchargers on that thing because stock it's just not in the supercar league period (note period as opposed to full stop) it's not even one of the fastest sportscars... only 0.4!!! haha only .4 seconds - can't believe you said that - even though it's actually more - that is a lot and it gets compounded every single lap! or mile! or whatever. being pedantic now - they are both about 6 seconds which is not any acceleration you or i will ever get out of them as we dont want to break them or risk breaking them. "some figures" can claim what they want but no stock nsx will go sub 5... i will believe it when i see it. as for the 348 - it was an absolute piece of crap to drive - often named the rockstars ferrari - not a super car, not even a race car... a hairdressers car - the testarossa was the supercar and you know this to be true... and a testarossa eats an nsx for breakfast before it goes out to work with the other real supercars and was a much older car anyway. thing is - in those days supercars had 400bhp+ ... 300 bhp and less were really just sportscars or racers... like 911's and the slower nsx... what is a hyper car? where did you hear this or did you come up with it yourself? sounds like something someone invented these days, but in the late 80s and early 90s there was no such thing - just supercars like the countach, diablo they were factory produced for anyone who wanted one - just supercars unlike the nsx which was never a supercar. never mentioned an f40, did mention the 959, but it doesn't matter as i mentioned the 911rs and the turbo which easily wiped the floor with an nsx - and i'm talking the previous generation turbo, too... fact. so 4x the price? and a nissan GTR is half the price of a 997 turbo which it beats at the germans track. the nsx didn't even try that - because there was no chance. lambo were expensive but not 4x as much. xj220 was a one off - interesting that you would remember the xj220, but haven't mentioned a tvr of the time which was so much faster than the nsx, it made it feel like a honda. what about the esprit s4 at 280 bhp or s300 which owned an nsx before the term "total ownage" was born. talking about an f40 in the same sentence as an nsx is just plain sad. like comparing an enzo to an acura soon *not* be unveiled nsx replacement the ascc the "advanced *SPORTS* car concept", which reminds me - hah, yes just found it! "New SPORTSCAR eXperimental" haha - the hint is in the name - that is class!.. sorry... i mean, man... it's not "Nippon SUPERCAR eXcelsior" in your mind, is it? Don't agree. Firstly and MR2 has mid engined layout (a 280 bhp turbo will eat an nsx easy by the way) but is not as expensive even though there are few out there. I remember when the nsx just arrived - honda wanted to produce loads of this baby for the US and Europe... but nobody bought it because it was too slow for the money. and they had some serious financial problems in the late 80s that stopped them from funding further production - they were planning to produce many, to compete with porsche (japans most respected car manufacrurer - which should tell you something considering that the japanese make excellent world class cars), but there was no demand as it was too slow and too expensive. as always there was a trade off - it was reliable, but it turned out people who buy sportscars dont mind reliabilty issues as much as the usual honda buyers - old people and those looking for a cheap daily driver. so i think that honda would have loved to produce more nsxs - just nobody wanted them... so the chassis was refined by a great driver - nearly every sportscars chassis was - it doesn't stop the nsx not being a supercar. z32 was the success that the nsx never was and never will be. there was and still is a greater demand for them - it's just that the supply for the honda is (proportionately like) 100x lower while the demand is 10x lower = high price for fanboys... in my opinion the produciton numbers show that this car was not demanded as much as a 300zx and furthermore and again in my opinion any car including a testarossa which has those old dodgy lights looks very very dated indeed. the 928 does, too even though i like the retro chic of the way the headlamps lift up and out and their shape... so i don't think it has stood the test of time as well as a z32... i get it. but what i'm saying is where do we draw the line? the 300zx and nsx came out at the same time - both made by competing jap producers and at the time the four cars that they pitted against each other and the competition such as the 911, esprit, 348/355, griffith, etc were the supra, 300zx, 3000gt and nsx. in terms of price and performance and engine output they were in one group. if we start getting too precise we can say that it should only be compared to an esprit s4 and not an s4s and the nsx-r can only be compared to esprit s300 and a 911rs (which both thrash it by the way) and i respect your opinion, but before you tell me what i am saying is incorrect, a load of old cobblers and that my arguments hold no credibilty i suggest you look deep into your mind and find your motivation for liking and wanting the slow nsx and truly believing it's a supercar - which it is not whatever you say or do... fact of the matter is it's a sports car, fact of the matter is - a 6k 96 300zx with 3k of mods, which is still half of what the asking (starting) price of an nsx is, won't even see that lawnmower engined honda in it's rearview mirror a minute past the moment they set off together... and you can bank on that. if you want to own a supercar get a ferrrari 328 or 308 (very pretty and fast cars - some versions faster than an nsx even though many years and a coupla generations older italian engineering) but more expensive to run... also - why do you need a supercar? what's the big deal. if you like the nsx - by all means get one - do not - i repeat do not delude yourself into thinking that if you get one you will be a supercar owner or whatever label it is that you think society puts on these things - which to be quite frank you shouldn't care about in the first place - unless you do things for the respect, admiration, whatever of others. I also have a suspicion that if you get that nsx - you will be longing to drive your zed more and more... and the targa in blue is nice, never seen in it blue, seen a few purple though, also hate the hole in the bonnet - better without the popup headlights though, but again not for more than 8k... i hate having to get so precise about things, i really do, but i had to reply after the way you segmented my initial post, which was just my opinion, and tried to break down my points of view so they fit with your incomprehensible desire to call an nsx a supercar with words like cobblers, incorrect and credibility... others can play spock, too... welcome to the next generation two final points: 1. the honda nsx is not and has never been a supercar - do a poll if you need to 2. ZED's not dead, baby! P.S. clark magpie said it best - "give me TVR any day!" Amen to that, mate... Amen!

First of all. I like your 300zx. If we are going to get systematically serious let's go for it, dude! Secondly, don't get pissed off at me please - i am just giving my opinion and backing it up just as you have done, and i'm grateful for the time and energy you spent doing so to put your point across... :) calling an nsx a supercar is plain wrong even in the late 80s to early 90s. a supercar with what 282 or 286 bhp = HAHA! granted it handled like a supercar, but what sort accelaration was it getting? 6 secs or so? no way near supercar of the time. supercars of the time were doing sub 4.5 and even less than 4.0, 993 turbo, f355, diablo, countach, 959, xj220, griffiths, chims - come on, the nsx was not a supercar even with some of the best handling round... sounds like you own one... also just because it has two seats doesnt make it a super car, neither does it having a mid engine layout, e.g. front engined ferraris! comparing the nsx to any of these cars is like comparing an mx5 to a 911. track times were improved by the handling, but that high reving blender of a civic engine had no torque and no low down pull... still didnt compete with them on the track. ok that's a lie - they competed but they just couldn't BEAT a 993 turbo or f355 or even an rs etc... sorry but that is a fact. Sure honda tried to market it as a mid engined supercar and that marketing may have worked on some... but not on me - because i don't believe in things i feel are wrong and i have driven several of them and most of the other (true) supercars i have mentioned. Again, I like the nsx - it drives good, just not supercar good - simply not fast enough. I think honda's marketing worked on you though... sorry if it upsets you, but that's how i feel... NSXs are mid engined sports cars. they are only supercars in your mind and maybe a comparatively few others'. never heard sucha load of old cobblers? switch on the news for 5 minutes ;) More to the point who cares if its NA or not? it is too slow and it is too weak to be a supercar. handling is good, but should be for the price, of course does not come close to most of todays sports cars... try a 997 S if you haven't already and tell me it's on par face to face and i'll tell you if you believe it ;) ;) or even a cayman S for that matter... Agreed with the first part. are you saying that zed people didn't buy a car at 50%-80% more than a zed because of the two extra seats? In my opinion you are mistaken - imo price was the main factor. fact was you could get a 911 for slightly more and most people did exactly that. dont forget in those days 400+ bhp was available on a dozen cars or so. paying and extra £20k-£25k in todays money on an nsx over a zed was and still is irrational. and yes there are and always will be people that make irrational decisions. just not too many as the production figures for the nsx clearly show (compared with zed and 911 as all of the consumer base overlaps anyway). As for fiesta's I don't get it - weren't all cosworths four seat cars? or are you saying that a zed - A ZED! is to an nsx what fiesta is to an escort RS COSWORTH!?!?!??! I do not agree... sorry and furthermore i am positive it is not the case... apologies again for having a different point of view... I agree some of the arguments i stated in the first on the nsx vs zed thing hold no credibility IN YOUR MIND. I respect your preference - please respect mine which is zed+£15k > nsx. I think most people will agree with me, but that is only my opinion which i am sure is right until it is proven incorrect. in which case i will admit my mistaken view immediately because i am like that. I admit my mistakes or at least try to as well as i can. nsx was said to have been a good handling car, but by who? a racing driver who doesnt bear the cost? secretly owns a porsche or clarkson (for PRIME MINISTER!!! GOGOGO!) i agree again that it handles better than a stock zed. still doesn't make it a supercar though. if i could only have one car as a present i'd have a zed and i think you would, too... to use everyday and that's not including the huge £15k price difference - tell me if i'm wrong, please... simple answer: don't know. i think more zeds were sold mainly due to price not the extra seats and not just in the uk but also all over the world. that car was and is too expensive, but yes it handled very well back in the day and still handles quite well, better than many many of todays cars just not as good as todays real sports cars. don't know what being in production and selling 10 or so cars a year did for honda - they probably had a reason, maybe a bad one, maybe a good one - but we will never know. still i don't see what this proves... sorry dude 300ZX is a class act nsx is class act, but is way too expensive and its styling is nowhere near as nice as the zeds in my opinion and these two factors particularly the price difference are not outweighed by the handling differences. sorry. 300ZX has stood the test of time - VIVA ZED! P.S. the very first nsx i saw at the london motorshow and i loved the black top bit in a kind of perspex shiny roof on the red car... didnt like the others, even though the pop up lights were very well replaced... i would consider a targa with 40k on the clock for 7-8k today not a penny more... but that's just me