anyone believe that these people can tell you things from beyond the grave, i believe, even more so now, went to see one last nite (well me and 7 other peeps)

 

got told some things that rang true, also got told something that no one else knows about, how could he have known?????

want no stoopid remarks either

Its one of those things, my sister went to one, very non believer, but when she got told stuff about her that only she knew, freaky.....

I got mentioned in it to. when my sister arranged it, the woman only ever knew my sisters name.

True believer mate..........

Its a tough one.....

 

Bit like ghosts really for me to believe in them I'll have to see them first....

 

The only way I'll believe a medium person thingy is if I walk into a room on my own and I've never seen the person before and I dont say one word at all not even a friggin hello... because I think alot of them talk to you and from answers you give or stuff you say in the convo they put 2 and 2 together and come up with their stuff... (if that makes sense)

 

Thats just me though... I do want to go but scared to hear what I don't want to.

its simple really and i often wonder why people are willing to believe in the mystical and not the mental capabilities, these people who believe they are mystic are in fact I believe are mind readers to a degree, they pick up what you know and return it to you, i dont even think they realise what they are doing and class it as mysticism....just my opinion

I only believe with what I see, hear and feel. So far nothing has convinced me that God, ghosts, spirits, true mind readers and other paranormal anomalies etc exist.

 

On a flip side, I don't write of the fact that these could exist. I just don't know and haven't experienced any of it.

 

I'm very much an agnostic.

i went into the room where he was, he asked my name and that is more or less all i said to him, no way was he leading me on

 

also my sister went in after and she got told some things that the guy told me (about my family), my sister looks nothing like me so now way could e have put 2 and 2 together and told us a pack of lies

ive seen a ghost, but no one ever believes me when tell them

There are ways of wording manipulating things Allan to convince you that they are reading your mind, it's the same reason people read the stars, or get people to look into crystal balls.

ive seen a ghost, but no one ever believes me when tell them

 

Not trying to sound patronising, but are you 101% convinced it was a ghost and wasn't a sub-conscious thought or figment of your imagination. This is something I'd always ask myself if I saw something that wasn't quite right.

yeah, i understand, but he knew something only me and another person could have ever have known, also told me about a friend who died in an accident in the navy

i went into the room where he was, he asked my name and that is more or less all i said to him, no way was he leading me on

 

also my sister went in after and she got told some things that the guy told me (about my family), my sister looks nothing like me so now way could e have put 2 and 2 together and told us a pack of lies

 

it sounds convincing..... but personally I think its mind reading... still a bloody good talent though :)

i seen the ghost more than once as a kid, was a woman in my bedroom, she used to sing me to sleep, when i told my mother about it she done some digging, turns out the old lady died in the room where i used to sleep, she used to adopt children, was a very nice person apperently

ive seen a ghost, but no one ever believes me when tell them

 

 

Because your always pi55ed :tongue:

 

i think im a none be-leaver. Have to see it 1st i surrpose

The onlt contact I have had is listening to Derek Ochora (how ever you spell it) on the radio. People will phone up and he will say something like "I am getting a message from brian is it" they will say "no don't know a brian, could it be birt" and thus it starts. The power of suggestion.

 

You went in a group so chances are that some of you will be relaited etc etc.

 

Just an old sceptic me.

 

Darrell

there was no leading at all, he just told me things straight, none of this achoa crap

I believe to...been a few times always got about 80% correct. I think its mad how they do it but lots of personal things that they just cant know. Also seens ghosts...people think I'm mad but I know exactly what your saying Allan;)

Derren Brown done a show a while back to expose it as a con, he could pick things up from reading peoples body language and how they were sub conciously telling him things they didn't realise. He also gave 4 people the same psychic reading telling everyone the same thing and every one was convinced it was personal and that he knew things about them no-one else knew. This said it still hasn't stopped my wife spending a fortune on psychics and going to the spiritualist church, she's even going to see John Edward in September................crazy cow lol.

I deffo think its down to mind reading ....

 

there is a reason people go and see these mediums.... 9 times out of 10 its to get answers for something thats happened in your life...

 

so you're sat there thinking 'is he going to mention my dead dad, i wonder'

 

and matey will pop up and say, you lost your dad.... '

 

thats when you go ' oh my *gasp* how did he know..' bah!

It is my belief that SOME of these people are genuine. Now when I say genuine I mean they may think they are getting messages from the dear departed but its more likely that they are getting messages from the person being contacted. There is deffinately more going on than meets the eyes. If you go to one of these gatherings you are most likely to be there because you want to contact the dead? Therefore you are already susceptible and your mind is heavy with thoughts of the person who has died. I believe (loosly) that the spiritualist is able to conect to these thoughts and the information they give you is acctually being recieved from you and not the dead. It has been scientifically prooven that concrete and walls can record or store lost energy and if you are receptive to higher frequencies of energy you can in fact detect this lost energy? Hence hauntings and stuff. But thats only some shite I have heard and believe as a possibility. Anyway there is some fact but IMO its not the dead but the living that is being contacted.

Yes I do. Very much so in fact.

 

Our family (by that I mean my grandma, then my mom and her, then me and my mom) have visited the same medium (bordering on a large....ahhhh....spiritualist humour...) for the past 40 years. She's a lovely lady called Olga who lives over Derby way with her partner John (she was previously married but he sadly died. Many years later, when both in their late 50's she met John and they became close, neither of them feeling inclined to muck about with the whole marriage malarkey again as they were just enjoying each others company...I mention this purely as a cursory example of how down to earth they are!).

 

Although John believes in Spiritualism and occasionally participates in healing, it's Olga that is the stronger of the two. Mediumship runs in her family and can be traced down the female line. Her mother in particular apparently had a very strong gift.

 

She doesn't advertise, doesn't accept money and only sees people who are introduced to her through existing friends/people (her phone line is ex-directory)

 

There are no crystal balls. There's no incense. There are no ouija boards. There is no rolling of the eyes, wailing and general gnashing of teeth. There isa sofa so comfortable you could disappear into it. There is a very small, very well tended and well loved garden outside the back window where the sun shines in. There are pictures of family and loved ones in silver frames above the fireplace. There are no mystical brews bubbling away...although you might be offered a cup of tea or a glass of water if you're lucky ;).

 

All in all, a distinctly non-mystical environment.

 

In fact, all Olga does is grab a chair (these days John or I get it for her as her knee plays up like Merry Hell), puts it in front of you, closes her eyes and talks.

 

Thats it.

 

What does she say? Anything and everything. It's almost stream of conciousness at times as she slips from one subject to another, mainly relating to the person she's giving the reading for but sometimes but sometimes changing into talking about something that will affect everyone (ie the UK or the world) if she picks up on a bigger event that's going to take place (she gets what she's given as she says)

 

"So what?" I hear you say. She sounds like a nice old lady that is slightly deluded and visited by folk who are even more so.

 

So here's an example:

 

When my Gran died it was a good many months before Mom could bring herself to go back to Olga. During readings Olga can sometimes be visited by people, some she knows (ie people that have stopped by before) or people that she doesn't. I preface the following by saying Olga hadn't been to the funeral and knew nothing of the arrangements. My Nan always said not to waste money on flowers at her funeral, she said we should save the money and spend it on a holiday, in fact, the week before she passed she specifically said she wanted us to fly to Brazil and visit Rio de Janeiro, the place she loved the best out of all the many she visited (old school traveller/explorer gal was my Gran, bless her ;)). However, despite this, we wanted to make a small floral gesture. So, at her funeral, each of us went and layed a single red rose on her casket. 3 in total.

 

When we eventually did see Olga the first thing she said to my Mom just as she opened the door was "your mother's with us. She wants you to know that she loves you and wants to give the 3 roses back to you".

 

We were stunned.

 

Later, during the reading proper, the classic "you will be going on a long trip" came out, directed to us all. Except there was none of the airy fairy vagueness you get watching stage Mediums. Olga said, "you'll be going to South America. Your Mom wants you to go. It'll be very unexpected and it'll be very soon" (Olga makes a point of saying before a reading not to tell her anything as she doesn't want to be influenced). We were a bit strapped for cash at the time so we thought she might've got the timing wrong (particularly as Olga always says that getting time right is one of the most difficult things as it works differently on the other side).

 

The next month we won a competition through the Hair Colour Company "Goldwell" (Mom owns a hair salon) and the prize went to the owner and her partner, the stylist and her partner, and the customer (who entered the competition completely seperate from us and the salon and without our knowledge) and her partner (and the company extended it to me as well after we met the Managing Directors).

 

The prize: an all expenses paid holiday.

 

The destination?

 

Yep.

 

Brazil. 5 nights in the 5 star hotel Prince Charles and Di stayed in, in Rio then 5 nights in Manaus and the rainforest.

 

Do I believe?

 

Your damn straight i do. ;)

I dont believe, I think its people who want to believe who are convincing themselves.. BUT if there is some truth in it and some examples like Fridays are quite convincing then I would steer clear, its a twisted un-natural thing that certainly shouldnt be dabbled with...

I dont believe, I think its people who want to believe who are convincing themselves.. BUT if there is some truth in it and some examples like Fridays are quite convincing then I would steer clear, its a twisted un-natural thing that certainly shouldnt be dabbled with...

 

Here here. I agree with 100% on that Paul.

I'll kick myself for being drawn into this but I have to ask...

 

"twised and un-natural"...pretty strong, confrontational and emotive words. You can't say something like that without explaining why. For example, are you basing it on personal experience, from views held by certain (in my opinion, dogmatic, deluded, patriarchal, out-dated and in some cases down right dangerous) Judaeo-Christian religious elements, or from "information" gleaned from popular culture?

 

It may suprise you to find out that Olga and John, indeed the whole spiritualist church they attend, refer to themselves as "Christian" (though I'm sure most Evangelists would turn a funny colour and then explode if they heard that)...and by Christian I'm not referring to the Church and Dogma we see today. Which, funnily enough, can be pretty twisted and un-natural in itself. In my opinion. (It's certainly a far cry from the teachings in the early scriptures. I'd talk with you more about that but it's a bit pointless if you're not aware of the Nag Hammadi library)

Well i was more a non believer than a believer before i seen one,and i didnt intend seeing one, was offered the chance, but it swings the other way a bit now, as alan said there are things that are said that no one else knows. I also basically only said my name and he did all the talking. he kind of takes you through your whole life in a way. Quite interesting, emotional feeling for a good time afterwards to.

I say try it before you dismay it ;)

Edited August 4, 200817 yr by wow300

I could write a massive post on this subject but to add my 2p I did not believe in any of this stuff at all. To cut a long story short, the wife went back to her home country the other side of the world for a holiday saw one of these people with a gift she told him nothing, never met him before nor had any of her family or friends. He lives Iin the middle of nowhere a kind of monk. Basically he came out with loads of stuff about me and my family, all true, and the stuff he predicted all came true aswell. My wife did not want to tell me at first as it was not all good, I got it out of her in the end though. Anyway things happened as he said and when he said, this guy was quite accurate with dates too. I quickly changed my views.

My opinion now, there is something in all of this, yes there are con artists etc but people with gifts can tap into somethig that is of the spirit world, I tend to go with ancestors etc sending messages and that talented people can pick up on these forces and messages. Its not a skill I would want. I imagine it could be a burden too. I have tried to justify what he had told my wife but it is beyond me how some guy the other side of the world who does not speak a word of english can describe accurately some of my family members and their existing medical conditions and say what will happen to them. Scary stuff.

Dont play with this kind of thing is my aedvice, you dont know what you are getting involved with. I respect these kind of people for what they can do and am respectful enough not to mess with any of this, it may seem cool or fun but what people can tell you is not always fun. Yes some people in the UK may not tell you the bad stuff but there are different cultures in the world and others may do as its acceptable to them believing in re-incarnation etc, its not fun and I would now be presonally wary of getting involved in anything like this! This throws up so many questions abotu life, destiny, etc.