Just having a browse through some specs for some fast new metal and comparing them to the zed.

 

Right, the zed is getting on a bit in years although its performance is still considered good compared to current fast cars. But I wonder how long this will last?

 

IE, when the M3 originally came out in E30 guise, it came with a 2.2 16v 195bhp engine being replaced with a 235bhp 2.5

 

Then it was considered almost a semi super car....the Astra VXR has more power now which is a decent 'hot hatch', something that was given to the rather 'slow' MK1 Golf GTi. So is the old M3 still that good?

 

Looking on a bit further, the current M3 has around 350bhp. The new one I'll suspect having close to 400bhp (and darn right hideous)....but is the M3 considered a super car or is it considered a GT? The Zed originally was classed as Japan's first supercar, but now it's considered a GT?

 

The new Saab V6 turbo / Vectra VXR share a new 3.2 V6 turbo unit producing 250bhp. Although still short of the zed, as with a lot of things Vauxhall, tuning accessories will have it close to 300bhp fairly easily and relatively quicly.

 

Does the Zed just then become an old Japanise coupe? I'd like to think that cars also hold status and thus, newer more powerful 'lesser' cars will not have this status.

 

..........just thoughts for the day........

I think you're just upset because someone here has the guts to not place the 300zx above everything else :eek: .

 

I rate the car very highly, thanks. Although going against the idea of the ZX being a supercar isn't trolling nor is should be offensive to people who like/own/driven the ZX, nor do I make the comparisons through ignorance. I have highlighted what makes a supercar, and who better to reference than the manufacturers and the actual supercars they actually built...

 

... far better source of information than what some journalistic chump with a driving license or what a schoolboy "thinks".

 

lmao upset, why the hell would i be upset at YOUR opinion, your actually assuming i care what you think, so i won't make the mistake of putting question marks in this post and making it sound like i'm interested in a response, as i said you've never had a ZX and all that you spout is stuff published or posted on the web, so when you put yourself above people that have actually driven/owned the car your opinion is about as valid as an arsenal supporter going on a spurs forum and stating why you think they should listen :rolleyes:

 

as i said your past posts on the forum started off telling us all how superior toymotors were, you state "nor do I make the comparisons through ignorance"

now if NEVER HAVING DRIVEN something you claim to be an authority on is not ignorance then i'm off to do a degree on 20 subjects i know jack about,

 

whether the zx is a supercar or not, one thing is clear you aint no expert FACT!!!!!!!!!

lmao upset, why the hell would i be upset at YOUR opinion, your actually assuming i care what you think, so i won't make the mistake of putting question marks in this post and making it sound like i'm interested in a response

 

No, of course not! You're going to be "Mr Cool" and want everyone to think you can single-handedly conclude this thread with your outbursts based on old threads that have nothing to do with this one. :bow:

 

 

 

as i said you've never had a ZX and all that you spout is stuff published or posted on the web, so when you put yourself above people that have actually driven/owned the car your opinion is about as valid as an arsenal supporter going on a spurs forum and stating why you think they should listen :rolleyes:

 

 

 

Crap analogy. Just because I own a Toyota it doesn't make me anti-Nissan. And whether I own/polish/toss off over a ZX & tell everyone on the forums or not does not change what defines a supercar, I have referenced supercars all over this thread, and all of them share no common ground with the ZX, except that it has 4 wheels. It's a shame you have the attention span of a gnat, otherwise you would realise this.

 

 

Do I need to drive a 3 wheeled Ford Mondeo to say that a 3 wheeled Ford Mondeo won't handle too well??

 

 

 

 

as i said your past posts on the forum started off telling us all how superior toymotors were, you state "nor do I make the comparisons through ignorance"

now if NEVER HAVING DRIVEN something you claim to be an authority on is not ignorance then i'm off to do a degree on 20 subjects i know jack about,

 

Yes, you know jack about participating in a thread, let alone to discuss the subject what the thread is about.

When does a Supercar cease to become a Supercar?

 

FFS whats the punch line :duffer:

When does a Supercar cease to become a Supercar?

 

FFS whats the punch line :duffer:

 

They'll all rust away eventually.........

 

......just enjoy it while you can :headvswal

 

Richard :tongue:

 

 

Crap analogy. Just because I own a Toyota it doesn't make me anti-Nissan. And whether I own/polish/toss off over a ZX & tell everyone on the forums or not does not change what defines a supercar, I have referenced supercars all over this thread, and all of them share no common ground with the ZX, except that it has 4 wheels. It's a shame you have the attention span of a gnat, otherwise you would realise this.

 

 

yep your right, but my attention stood up long enough to find THIS

 

http://www.supercarworld.com/history2.html

 

it does actually mention HISTORY OF THE SUPERCAR and NISSAN 300ZX and i can find 20-30 more references where others define it as a supercar, doesn't mean to say it is, but by the same token YOUR definition of the ZX means

slightly less to me, and i would hold your posts to be more credible if ANY of them had done anything but slate the ZX

we know its christmas and you've probably allowed on the net longer, 3 times you have now come on this forum to inform us what we are or not driving, so i shall have to have a serious think before i sleep tonight

cos you said so, many thanks for putting me straight, i'll have a good think about my for sale advert :rolleyes:

yep your right, but my attention stood up long enough to find THIS

 

http://www.supercarworld.com/history2.html

 

it does actually mention HISTORY OF THE SUPERCAR and NISSAN 300ZX and i can find 20-30 more references where others define it as a supercar, doesn't mean to say it is, but by the same token YOUR definition of the ZX means

slightly less to me, and i would hold your posts to be more credible if ANY of them had done anything but slate the ZX

we know its christmas and you've probably allowed on the net longer, 3 times you have now come on this forum to inform us what we are or not driving, so i shall have to have a serious think before i sleep tonight

cos you said so, many thanks for putting me straight, i'll have a good think about my for sale advert :rolleyes:

 

 

I bet you can "prove" OJ Simpsons' innocence/guilt with internet links like that.

Now I remember Anh, thought I recognised the name. Its the same bloke who was making outlandish BHP claims about the US version of the Supra. If I remember correctly he put up dyno graphs that he got from the net and claimed they were genuine BHP readings for the US Supra when in fact they were nonsense. I don't think you opinion is worth much on this forum Anh.

Back on topic, I think the z32 was a supercar in its day, but now up against the current crop of 500bhp+ supercars that you can thrash day in and day out with no probs and handling to match, I think the z32 is no longer a supercar within this comparison. IMO.

What a load of crap, cars are built for a market, terms like supercar, hot hatch, sports tourer etc are nothing more than names given by journalists especially magazine editors who just fuel the self appointed experts who feel it necessary to trawl around internet forums quoting what they have sat up memorising from the back pages of banzai.

 

There is no magic formula for a supercar all this stuff about hand built, price, performance is crap

 

you can pay more for a new vectra than an older 911...Is a vectra a supercar then?

you can buy hand built cars using rover K series engines...are they supercars then?

Go to the pod and watch chaved up novas with calibra turbo engines thrash exotic stuff...does that make the nova a supercar?

 

there are expensive cars, fast cars, quality cars, and shit cars, but there is no such thing as a supercar.

Now I remember Anh, thought I recognised the name. Its the same bloke who was making outlandish BHP claims about the US version of the Supra. If I remember correctly he put up dyno graphs that he got from the net and claimed they were genuine BHP readings for the US Supra when in fact they were nonsense. I don't think you opinion is worth much on this forum Anh.

Back on topic, I think the z32 was a supercar in its day, but now up against the current crop of 500bhp+ supercars that you can thrash day in and day out with no probs and handling to match, I think the z32 is no longer a supercar within this comparison. IMO.

 

You remind me of a kid who still believes in Santa - no matter the proof, you stick to your stubborn beliefs. :wack:

You remind me of a kid who still believes in Santa - no matter the proof, you stick to your stubborn beliefs. :wack:

 

I think your "proof" in question came from the realms of santa and pixies.

I think your "proof" in question came from the realms of santa and pixies.

 

LOL

 

http://www.jetchip.com/dyno.asp

 

http://www.mkiv.com/publications/motor_trend/8_93/mt893_11.jpg