I've just noticed something. This is NO personal attack or whatever - just something I've just read and was NOT impressed. Here it is:

 

Once I have purchased the car tickets, you will be expected to pay me back, regardless of whether you turn up or not. This is initially coming off my PERSONAL credit card and any shortfall in ticket money will be coming directly from the club funds

 

Now, when I coughed up my money for the club funds (almost the day it was first mentioned) I did it to help the site out with bandwidth/server problems etc. I certainly DID NOT cough up so that it could be used to pay for people who want to abuse the system.

If they owe money to someone, then it is up to those 2 people to sort it out. The club funds are NOT for covering costs of bad debt management (or whatever you want to call it) - or are they? Who decided this would be the case? If what is said above goes ahead, forget any more money from me for deffo.

 

I'm not trying to cause trouble, I'm trying to stop it happening in the first place.

 

CheerZ for listening,

 

Andy

Originally posted by Turbo_Steve

Frankly I think it's disgusting that people didn't pay.

I don't think anyone's arguing with that, are they?

 

From what I have been reading on here, Ajay has given a lot to this Board (as have all the mods) and at every opportunity the "longer standing members" seem to feel the need to do some sh!t stirring.

Who's sh*t stirring? Andy simply pointed out that he didn't think that club funds should be used to pay debts owed by members. Several of us agreed with him.

 

The moderators (who decide club policy and ergo decide everything....if you don't like it: leave the club)

Do they? Since when? I quote from AndrewG's announcement post "The committee structure will be reviewed during the early stages of the club and feedback from club members is welcomed". Members are giving feedback, as requested.

 

I think it is terrible the way I have seen this board treat it's moderators., and I would like to add that it seems to be certain "more longstanding" members who cause these problems.

Can you not see how destructive it is, and how counterproductive?

It has nothing to do with the fact that a moderator is involved. Do we really want the situation where members are allowed to just fail to pay with no sanction against them whenever a group buy, large purchase from Courtesy, etc, etc happens?

 

In what way do you feel the mods are treated terribly? Yes, some members disagree with some of the policies, get frustrated that their views are requested and then ignored, etc. But surely it's much better that than just having everyone keep quiet about what they disagree with and fail to renew when the time comes...

 

And no offence Steve, but if you're going to come on here and slag off the members, maybe you could consider subscribing yourself... :rolleyes:

This is not really about the forum it is about ajay being out of pocket for helping out. Personally I have no problems with people being suspended for non payment and ajay receiving their sub money to cover her £17.

 

As always, its blown way out of proportion.

 

:dance: :hyper: :duffer::dance: :hyper: :duffer::dance: :hyper:

What a load of old crap! This stinks more than the local sewage works.

 

Firstly, Thanks to Anita people were able to attend Trax at a greatly reduced rate. We should be thankful to her for that, BUT and here's the rub... it was her decision to user her credit card, therefore her problem to recoup the money. As treasurer I this this was a bad decision.

 

I agree it would be a shame for people to miss an event because the club was unwilling to 'bank roll' a group booking.

 

So, it's too bloody simple for words...

 

SET UP A PAYPAL ACCOUNT FFS!!!

 

see: 5mins click here

 

Okay swallow the 2% that they charge (or better still charge it back, it's still a significant saving) and make a page for ticket payment (see example above), therefore you pay up before or don't attend, see simple.

 

I'm one of the 'long standing members' that have been mentioned. But I think the moderators should wake up, smell the roses and start running the club with some degree of thought. As a director of the TSSC we would not pre-book tickets on the hope that our members would pay up even if they agreed verbally to do so. We would ensure that the money was paid first, and we have £500K in the bank to fall back on not the 2/6" that the club has you cann't afford to subsidise this kind of event!

 

Tim

Originally posted by Turbo_Steve

From what I have been reading on here, Ajay has given a lot to this Board (as have all the mods) and at every opportunity the "longer standing members" seem to feel the need to do some sh!t stirring.

 

LMFAO what a load of *****X!!! Would this board be here if it was just the oh so mighty and saintly mods? Would it ****! Its the MEMBERS who make this site!

 

The moderators (who decide club policy and ergo decide everything....if you don't like it: leave the club)

 

LOL You don't know just how close I am!!!!

 

If this was a financial organisation, then a debt collection agency, or perhaps the police would become involved.

 

If they ran it under the scheme suggested here it would be taken out of staff pay right? And then any of the staff that complained they had been short paid, you'd explain how fair that was to them? Or how they shouldn't complain etc? Nah didn't think so....

 

I think it is terrible the way I have seen this board treat it's moderators., and I would like to add that it seems to be certain "more longstanding" members who cause these problems.

Can you not see how destructive it is, and how counterproductive?

 

So, lets see, would we like a dictatorship or a democracy? Look how far the countries with dictatorships got - erm yeah we'd all like that. In fact, since the iron fist has hung its sorry head over this site, the place has started disappearing up its own arse faster than a fast thing going very fast.

 

 

Anyway, thanks for the attack :D I said at the VERY BEGINNING that this was no personal attack! I want Ajay to be paid back in full - how else would it be fair? BUT I DO NOT want the money to come from the club funds - that is not on!

Originally posted by Ajay

As stated I will not pay for other people, therefore it was agreed with the other moderators that in this instance......

 

.................. we will?????????

 

That is the point, nothing more, nothing less. Lets not get carried away. Think we have made that point and I personally think this thread has run its course.

 

 

The sun is shining and the birds are singing...........

I can't see why this is starting to turn unpleasant.

 

It comes down to this.

1) Anita shouldn't be out of pocket and needs the money from somewhere.

2) The money should not come form club funds.

 

Ok, how about this !!!

 

This Trax meet ticket reservation thing was open to Members only.

The following people have no paid:

 

No longer available

 

If payment is not received by Monday 22nd September.

Their membership will be cancelled and the money will come from their portion of the £20 they put in for membership.

 

You can't say fairer than that can you ?

 

However it looks like this issue is now closed as the list of outstanding payees has been removed from the events section which tells me it's no longer an issue.

Or a pretty simple solution would be that if Anita hasn't been paid back by a set date, she should be repaid by the club funds and then when the guilty parties membership renewals come around, the cost of however many Trax tickets they asked for should be added to their renewal fee.

Originally posted by NismO_UK

Or a pretty simple solution would be that if Anita hasn't been paid back by a set date, she should be repaid by the club funds and then when the guilty parties membership renewals come around, the cost of however many Trax tickets they asked for should be added to their renewal fee.

 

This sounds like a good solution - Ajay shouldn't be out of pocket and should be compensated from club funds (temporarily) IMHO, as long as those who haven't paid need to renew with an extra amount to pay for Trax tickets.

 

OR ban them now if they don't pay within 1 week ?

 

:nelson: I'm honoured to have a smilie named after myself !;)

Originally posted by Nelson MainFella

:nelson: I'm honoured to have a smilie named after myself !;)

 

Me too :smw:

O the joys of being a proper club

if as the forum is now " a proper club " no committee member should bear the cost of outgoings that is meet by putting on benifits for the members the costs should and must come out of the clubs funds

this is why anything that involves an initial outlay must be agreed by the committee.

I know at the moment the committee is "self appointed" ( not a good discription,but it had to start some where) and after a year from what i have read the committee will be elected by a vote and then part of thier job is to make decisions on finacial matters on our behalf

at this early stage of the offical clubs existance there is only one option for the club and that is to reimbuse the monies out of club funds and take away the rights of the non payers

 

like I say O the joys of being a proper club and the Joys of being a committee member

Big Sigh!

 

Well Anita should have my cheque by now, SO as a freeloader, (sorry I had to work, its called real life) I GAVE alot more than £20 to the forum as a jesture of thanks for the help. So if any other freeloaders couldnt make it at the last minute (maybe they had to work or a member of their family was taken ill) then just take that and use it!

 

Jeesh!

 

300zx.co.uk RIP

Originally posted by BigRoy

 

300zx.co.uk RIP

 

Spot the drama Queen ?:tongue: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by steve burns

O the joys of being a proper club

if as the forum is now " a proper club " no committee member should bear the cost of outgoings that is meet by putting on benifits for the members the costs should and must come out of the clubs funds

this is why anything that involves an initial outlay must be agreed by the committee.

I know at the moment the committee is "self appointed" ( not a good discription,but it had to start some where) and after a year from what i have read the committee will be elected by a vote and then part of thier job is to make decisions on finacial matters on our behalf

at this early stage of the offical clubs existance there is only one option for the club and that is to reimbuse the monies out of club funds and take away the rights of the non payers

 

like I say O the joys of being a proper club and the Joys of being a committee member

 

WOOOOOOOOSSSSSHHHHH!

 

That was you missing the point.

 

It was not a case of 'for the club', even at the 11th hour people should have paid up-front before any tickets were purchased. Now, if we were arranging to hire a track for a day then I agree the club should stump up, if it was too late then all those attending should have purchased their own tickets at full price IMHO.

 

Roy, I don't think anyone was having a personal dig at you, I think the issue was that the club would be reimbursing Ajay for what was Ajay's risk/liability.

 

As for adding the cost to next year's membership - :D So, if they are so tight that they won't part with £8:50 how likely are thay to renew their sub?

 

Tim

Oi Nelson, I'll come up and pull your skinny arms off!

Originally posted by Turbo_Steve

Frankly I think it's disgusting that people didn't pay.

 

And Who TF are you?

Originally posted by BigRoy

Oi Nelson, I'll come up and pull your skinny arms off!

 

Is that a threat ?:xxx:

I agree Ajay should not be out of pocket but I have to agree with Andy and Tim, maybe it was a bad decision, but it should not come out of Club funds, the individuals should pay up (well done to Roy for being so public about it). I think this is a learning experience.

 

Remember, no good deed goes unpunished ;)

 

Mike

Thanks Anita for putting yourself out and sorting out tickets in your own time!

 

This is one of those threads that is partially a wind up and partially serious, but this is a little problem in a club that can see the bigger picture!

 

Before Trax this year I volunteered to organise Trax and Billing 2004 (I was working this year). So what do people want organised for next year, with regard to tickets?

as were going pretty off topic here, id like to post a dancing banana :dance:

 

heres a slap for all that owes Ajay dosh :slap:

 

this is for duffer :x: now shut the f**k up :D

 

for the rest of you :xxx: :xxx: :xxx:

Originally posted by TopLess

Thanks Anita for putting yourself out and sorting out tickets in your own time!

 

This is one of those threads that is partially a wind up and partially serious, but this is a little problem in a club that can see the bigger picture!

 

Before Trax this year I volunteered to organise Trax and Billing 2004 (I was working this year). So what do people want organised for next year, with regard to tickets?

 

Tut, is this a bit huffy?

 

Why can't you do what I suggested and make a PayPal shopping cart for tickets or doesn't it work this way? If the Trax organisers stipulate that tickets have to be bought in advance then give plenty of warning before the Trax deadline and that way you can book the tickets knowing how many people want to go and those people have ALL paid.

 

Oh, and before anyone says 'I don't like PayPal' then tuff - source your own tickets.

 

I also think that Subscriptions should be collected through payPal, but that's another issue.

 

Nuff said me thinks :D

 

Tim

Originally posted by TT Tim

 

Oh, and before anyone says 'I don't like PayPal' then tuff - source your own tickets.

 

I also think that Subscriptions should be collected through payPal, but that's another issue.

 

 

 

Paypal is a joke IMHO - just like banks they get money for doing jack sh1t. It's not totally secure, so why use it ??:confused: u r paying for a risk.

 

Send a cheque FFS.

Tim - the point wasn't "what shall we do in future" - all your ideas are good ones and Topless volunteered to organise next year's so that's all taken care of.

 

The point was Ajay offered to help club members out by using her own funds. Yes it went pear shaped but that was not her fault: it was the fault of those who haven't paid up.

 

Yes she trusted club members to stick to their word and, sadly, has had a harsh lesson. And given the fuss that's been made since, how likely is it that she and others will go that extra mile for forum members in future?

I think everyone, at some time in their life, will do people favours and lose out from it. I've made several courtesy orders in the past and have lost out - still owed over £100 by one person and that was 1 1/2 yrs ago! However, I didn't come running to the club for them to cough up! I took a risk, I knew the risk I was taking and I suffered for it, end of! However, I still carried on helping people out after that. Tim, did you ever pay me for that PCV kit? ;):D There will always be some financial help involved in certain circumstances - especially when ordering/booking stuff - how would it have been if it WASN'T a comitee member who took the trax stuff on? I'm POSITIVE that the unpaid money would NOT have come from club funds in that situation!

Originally posted by Nelson MainFella

Paypal is a joke IMHO - just like banks they get money for doing jack sh1t. It's not totally secure, so why use it ??:confused: u r paying for a risk.

 

Send a cheque FFS.

 

Once again you're talking B0llox.

 

But then my reply to you would be:

 

Go get your own tickets.

 

And I get charged more for sending a cheque, it also can take upto 5 working days to clear so stick that in your pipe m8!

 

Tim

Originally posted by TT Tim

Once again you're talking B0llox.

 

But then my reply to you would be:

 

Go get your own tickets.

 

And I get charged more for sending a cheque, it also can take upto 5 working days to clear so stick that in your pipe m8!

 

Tim

 

Yeah, YOU get charged more, instead of me. Wonder why you like Paypal ?

 

If I can't pay by cheque over the interent or by Debit card on some, carefully chosen sites, I don't wanna know.