just found this on the 200 forum

 

just in case it's true....

 

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...found what Craig??? Or have I missed something mate?

 

 

Tim

;-)

 

erm... lol.. click the word "this" on the top post and it will take you there...

 

it is a hyperlink... the web is full of them

 

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Doh, sorry mate, I've turned off "unerlining" for links in my browser and couldn't tell that "this" was in blue...that's two Spaz's in one day!!!

 

 

Tim

;-)

 

Laughing at himself not with himself!!!

Firstly I don't use the M4 etc. So I'm not that bothered personally! But for anyone who does, I feel sickened!

 

Isn't it enough that they are doubling the number of cameras on the road??? I thought the whole point of the cameras being visible was that you are pre-warned about being caught!

 

Unmarked's are surely entrapment?!?!?!? I'll tell you why they are using so many cars! Because to keep that helicopter in the air for 1 minute probably costs thousands of pounds in fuel and tax payers money. I know this to be true coming from de Wales(aiiiii) coz the mountain rescure chopper burns up something like 16k an hour to keep it in the air.

 

Also I wouldn't mind a crack in some of those cars, 535i, Volvo T4...f**king hard life eh?

 

If they carry on like this with the whole speeding thing being rammed down peoples throats until it comes out their arse, the government will have another crisis on it's hands...can't wait!

 

 

Tim

:-(

 

 

[This message has been edited by Timmy_Turbo (edited 03-07-2001).]

Has anyone seen speed cameras near schools or on high streets, anyplace were they could do some good! I've seen twats speed pass schools or shops at 40mph+ yet I can get done on an empty motorway for doing 82mph in a car that can stop in half the distance stated in the highway code!!

T

 

Seen the recent advert with the car doing 35mph. Voice over says that if the car had been doing 30mph would have stopped here! Then the car carries on and hits a child?

 

Let's look at that ad. again with more detail. Car is moving, but look more closely at the wheels...back wheels are rolling round freely but front wheels are locked causing the car to skid. Just to add a little more perspective to this point, I was driving my Mrs' Range Rover down hill on a single track road back home. Ground was wet and I was only going slow. Some guy came flying round a blind bend in a Corolla and slammed on the anchors, I slammed on the anchors and shit myself big time. Both of us were heading towards each other but I was skidding as the Range Rover didn't have ABS, with the weight, wet road and the fact that I was on a downhill stretch I kept going. Just stopped with about an inch to spare from his front bumper!

 

Anyway, my point is this, nevermind the speed of the car, if the car in the advert had ABS it would have stopped well short of the original mark probably!!!

 

So I think that the advert is not pure and is very open to controversy!!!

 

 

Tim

;-)

 

 

that was the first thing i noticed as well timmy, however... how many cars DO NOT have abs ?

 

there are still quite a few.... more than a few... hell... bloody loads !!!

 

considering the cost of abs being quite small, it should have been standard equipment on cars a long time ago !!

 

when you are locked up like that, all you need to do is let off, and reapply the brakes.... how hard is that to do when you are skidding towards something ? VERY !! mind over matter ...

 

but.. the advert does how what happens...

 

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Good point Tim. I noticed that when I first saw the advert. The highway code says if you start skidding. Release the brakes and apply them again. I dont know how an advert comissioned by the DVLA, can not follow any of the recomendations by the DVLA for a situation like that.

 

Also did anyone hear about a man who was sued over £1,000,000 because he ran a boy over. The head line was like Run over boy awarded £1,000,000 in damages.

When you read the article it says that the man was doing 30mph in a 30mph zone and the boy who was with his father at the time (out of school on a school day. Fishing!)

The boy suddenly ran accross the road without looking to show his friend a fish he caught. Unforunatly he ran right infront of this car.

As I said police tests prooved that he was only doing 30mph, and a spokes woman from the DVLA was quoted saying

"When are people going to realise that it is not always safe to drive at the speed limit"

These are people who set the speed limit.

WTF are we meant to do. Drive at 10mph lower than the limit every where and then get pulled over by the police for "Being suspicous" or drive at the limit and get slated by DVLA officals if something does happen.

 

The most effective speed camera I have seen is near Southport. I was doing a long national speed limit road through country and I came up to a junction which came onto a housing area but the road could be easy be 4 lines wide. Knowing that it wont be national speed there, I drove at about 35mph cos I didnt know if it was 30 or 40. About 1/2 a mile down the road I saw one of those signs you see on the motorway which say FOG or gives a speed. This said.

"You are doing 36mph. Please slow down"

That works. Why cant we see more thing like that.

 

Its a no win situation.

 

Stuart

These pro. driving instructors crack me up! Last thing on my mind skidding down hill faster than I had been travelling under normal power, was pumping the brake pedal!!! That's all very well when you are prepared for it, but all I can remember was pushing my foot as hard as I could on the big middle and having eyes wider than a bush baby that had just woken up with a full size yank Maglite waving in his furry face!

 

If I had been giving it large down that hill I would have gone straight over the top of his corolla and he would have been Donor Kebab...as in Kidney, liver, heart "Donor" kebab!

 

 

Anyway, getting slightly off topic here, but still speed orientated. Police forces around the country are really rubbing the motorists' face in it at the moment!

 

IMHO!

 

Tim

;-)

 

Well this little diatribe will go on and on until SOMEONE gets the f**king £-signs out of their eyes.

Of all the injustices in the motoring world, I rank this numero uno (along side overbearing car insurance plc's, another matter tho).

As Tim graphically describes, the car crashes into child and breaks child.

OK. NO ONE can argue against the common sense sentiment that people should not redline past schools and in built up residential areas. Those places are where our Children/Parents/Brother&Sisters/Friends/Loved Ones and Rotweillers need road restraint.

So the DOT/Police and are hypocrits. Why?

Because they show us what can happen when we speed past a school, and then, FOR THE BLOODY *MONEY* choose not to situate GATSO in school and residential area, instead go for the revenue raiser option of M40. Question: How many pedestrians are in danger on the M40. Answer: 1 (the dodgy car-jockey with the trade plates!)

So all this is for what? the car jockey, nope, to reduce speed on our motorways, nope, motorways are stastically the safest roads. Hmmm maybe to try to strong arm a change in public attitudes towards speeding. They did it for Drink-Driving (and good on 'em) but speeding??

The problem with this debate has always been knee-jerk reactionary pig ignorance on one side VS intelligent but UNHEARD opinion on the other.

YES the traffic officer will tell of the horrific sights he has witnessed attributed to speeding, but if you get that same traffic cop he will also admit (albeit quietly) that doing a ton on the M40 in decent conditions in a capable car is not such a major crime.

Anyway I digress (shut up now Glen mate your rambling...)

Many Many people and organisations get very wealthy from the motor car. The driver is not one of them

Glen

Pah.

Just a quick point about the speed limits. These are set for *GOOD* driving condition - ie dry roads, good visibility...

If you were in a 30 limit, and the road was covered in ice and there was 5 feet visibility, then you wouldn't do 30 would you (I hope).

I know this is an extreme example but demonstrates the point.

I was in court last summer after a woman refused to admit she had pulled out of a side road into the side of my car (somehow she had had a head on with me but dented the SIDE of my car??? Her lawyer asked what speed I was travelling - speed limit 40, I was doing 40. He then asked the road conditions.... dry. He tried to deny this but I had a weather report He then continued to say it was still my fault because it was dark and if I had been travelling slower would have been able to stop in time..... Fortunately I pointed out that she had STILL pulled out and I was actually more visible because of my headlights....

Basically, she came to a t junction and didn't stop to look - but it could have gone the other way....

 

Just thought I'd share that with you

 

Andy

So who won then Andrex?

 

 

Tim

;-)

But of course I did timotei

 

CheerZ,

 

Andy

It always amazes me that nobody is prepared to take the consequences of their own actions.

If you are driving along a road at or near the speed limit and someone walks out in front of you with no warning, is that the drivers fault?

No.

If I walk under a car, at the end of the day it's nobody's fault but my own.

Why does the driver always get the blame and get sued?

It's just like walking off the end of a cliff and blaming the landowner.

You know you are in a dangerous place so be carefull.

How many of you have been stopped for speeding late at night or on an empty open road? Lots I suspect.

Have you tried arguing with the police about it?

I've been told "Someone could have walked out from behind a car or a car might have pulled out of a junction"

Get real it's 1am on a country road on a weekday and I can see there is nobody about and there are no cars.

If there had been I wouldn't be driving like that... If I had managed to run someone over they would have to be blind, deaf, stupid and a long way from home.

Waste of time of course.

"Sorry but the laws the law"

 

I've had an unmarked T5 up my arse at night and every time I overtook a car he followed me very close. As soon as I got pissed off with what I thought was some nob driving like an idiot behind me and pulled away a few hundred yards I got pulled.

Told the pig I wouldn't have driven like that if he hadn't been up my arse for 3 miles but he just dismissed it and gave me a ticket for 89mph. 2am on the motorway with hardly any cars about!

Seemed like he just pulled me to ask what my car was and how fast it would go.

I hate em.

One day I'll meet a cop who says "Yes you're right it is perfectly safe to exceed the limit in these conditions" LOL

Just to clear up a point from earlier. ABS does not make you stop faster, it just allows people who can't drive very well (which includes most of us- and me) to maintain control when we lock up the wheels on slippery surfaces.

The quickest way to stop is stand on the pedal big style, lock everything up, smoke off the tyres, leaving thick black stips of rubber behind etc. etc. This = max. friction with the road = minimum stopping distance. However, it is seldom that this rather unsociable behaviour is acceptable anywhere other than a racetrack. In fact these days ABS will lengthen stopping distances slightly. Stopping distances are reduced by f-off brakes, fat sticky tyres and grippy road surfaces.

Dont be daft. Locking up does not make you stop faster if so all road motor sports will be locking up into every corner. In the wet. tyres are designed to move the water in the way of the tyres. If you lock up the tyres are not turning and are not able to move the water off the road. We all know what this is AQUAPLAINING. You end up with no part of you tyre in contact with the ground. No contact = no force = no stop.

In the dry locking up will make the part of the tyre in contact in the ground to over heat, and if you have ever been in a car on a track when the tyres get too hot (which I have) you grip goes down the pan.

 

 

lets not forget all the people who have been run down by speeding police cars and how the driver always gets off scott free in these cases

Do you know that the police are the biggest suers of all. I read about a PC who was sueing a bike owner because his bike was stolen and in the chase the theiving F%*K was hit on the side and died. The PC sued the person who bike was stolen for emotional damage saying it was his fault because he did not secure the bike well enough

 

How twisted is that

 

Stuart (Getting frustrated ) LOL

 

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AndyP if is half right, in theory ABS does not make you stop faster. The quickest way to stop is to hold the brakes just before they lockup. But in practise this is very difficult. Most peoples reaction (including me) is to jump on the pedal as hard as possible, and if you've ever locked up without ABS it feels as if you are accelerating! (i know your not, but it feels like it) so for most people ABS does make you stop faster.

 

I've never tested it in my Z, I usually get brake fade before i have chance hehehe. Time for some new brakes I think.

Sound strange but I practise braking. Evey now and then. I make sure that no other car can be seen and no pedestrian are around. I will slam on my brakes to find the the skid point. I do this about twice a week. I know that one day it will save my life, and it is now instinct that as soon as my wheels lock I release and apply again.

A few times I have needed it and I have suprised myself that I do it now with out thinking. Lucky it has always been cos some dick decides to pull out on my without looking. I hope it is never because some steps out infront of me.

 

Stuart

Like a comment above, no one ever seems to question why a boy has run out into the middle of a road. If he is not road aware then where are his parents/teachers/guardians. It seems its always the demon driver who's entirely responsible and the poor wee kid is the innocent victim. Yes I have great sympathy for any kid who gets run down, we heard of one on this forum a little while back, but there seems to be no sense of shared responsibility for such an accident.

 

One other point about the advert. If the car driver had been doing 50mph he would have missed the boy completely as the boy would have run out behind him! Since a child running out into the street is a purely random event going fast or slow is going to make no difference on your chances of hitting him. In fact going faster down any given street reduces the likelihood of your hitting someone in that street because you are driving along it for less time. This all seems like perverse logic but has anyone ever given it any thought at all?

Coogs, if you were a parent you would not equate children's safety with mathematical probability.

 

 

Listen, ABS does make you stop faster and in a shorter distance. I've seen it proved on Top Gear and also in tests in mags.

 

Put it this way, I was travelling down a very steep hill in 2 ton of Range Rover without ABS. I was not going that fast, did an emergency stop and carried on with the same momentum I had under power from the engine. Yes, I did stop, eventually but I guarantee you this...if I had been in an identical car with ABS(came a few years later on Range Rover's) I would have stopped alot quicker and a few feet away from the guys front bumper. Instead of about an inch!!!

 

I have done enough emergency stops on the motorways in my time to know that ABS does a f**king good job of stopping you quickly and more safely than a car that doesn't have ABS.

 

As Stu pointed out(I think it was Stu), if you emergency stop on a wet road in a car without ABS you will aquaplane bit time. You will definitely cover more distance than if you had ABS, that's the whole point of it in the first place(as invented by Mercedes by the way!).

 

 

Tim

;-)

 

It all comes down to the amount of friction available from the road surface (assuming you have brakes than can generate more friction than that between the road and the tyres). Aquaplaning is means there is usually next to no friction, similar to ice, diesel, hovercrafts etc.

More friction means more kinetic energy lost to heat and sound etc.

The best braking you will get is just before the tyres start to skid which is a hard to find. A slight change in the road condition i.e. a leaf on the road will cause the tyres to skid. ABS detects the wheels are skidding releases the brakes and then applys them at a very fast rate. When the ABS applys the brakes if the tyres again start to skid it releases and applys unitll either you stop or the wheels stop skidding.

I was driving down towards a roundabout in the wet when some idiot who indicated to turn off decided to go round one more time. I was coming up the the roundabout saw him do this, I slamed on my brake then the ABS took over on one wheel cos I went over a white line as soon as I was off the line the ABS stopped cos my wheel found grip and was not skidding.

 

ABS or Assisted Braking as it is called now, reduces the amount of time skidding and more time at peak breaking level.

 

A expert driver can brake faster then a car with ABS, for the reason that ABS is activated because the car has gone past its peak braking level and is skidding. The short time of skidding and the time to release and apply the brakes does slightly increase you braking distance OVER A CAR THAT IS AT PEAK BRAKING LEVEL ALL THE TIME, which is very hard to do.

99% of drivers wont be able to do that so it is safer to slam your foot down and let all of the cleaver electronics do its business.

This will shorten the braking distance of normal drivers and thus safer to do in an emergency.

 

 

Stuart

 

I have spelt braking about 3 different ways. Dyslexia for ya