Hi guys I thought I would share my experience I have had recently with asking someone from the club to import a z32 for me....

 

I would have come on sooner but to tell you the truth I've not been really happy lately. building my hopes up with something that was promised to be great but turned out to be a complete utter hunk of shit to look at putting it bluntly.

 

Also the experience I had with the garage that he uses for the jobs is unbelievable. I had to get them to stop all the work on it, and not to touch anything else and get someone straight over to collect the vehicle and trailer it away to someone that actually knows what they're doing.

 

There's a few guys on the club that have seen the car and was shocked and know the situation please speak up so we can stop this from happening in the future to anyone else!

 

Really regret not buying slick Pete's na Z when I had the chance!.

 

I'm a bit busy at the moment there's a lot happening with my duty. but I've got loads of pictures and documented everything I will update this thread very soon!

Edited July 7, 20187 yr by KnightRacer

The best solution now is to get all the glass popped out, get it stripped and get it painted. If you go with the original silver you won't have to get the bay painted. Replacing those roof trims is going to be hard. I did read they went NLA a few years ago but believe that there are still some in the US. I'd buy those pronto before they do go NLA. KarumaZ make door mouldings. The rest you'd be better off sourcing from a used car such as the boot outer edge seals and door handle gaskets.

I personally don't know anybody involved so can only comment on what I see.

 

The buyer, after reading that auction ad has been very naive, anyone who has done any car research would tell you that ad is a terrible indictment and the car sounds a riot.

 

The trader if he has any integrity and also any clue would never bring a car over in that condition unless you name is Delboy as that kind of car will only bring trouble.

 

Hope you get it sorted mate, it's going to cost thousands.

I feel your pain mate. I bought one from the same trader couple of years ago. Cosmetically its very good. But... after 6 weeks of ownership I had to replace the gearbox. Then the timing belt tensioner collapsed despite promises that it had been done, was also told the drier for the air con was being replaced, guess what... it's never worked. Its eaten 3 clutches over a period of 10 months due to a bent fork. Surely this should have been picked up? Thank goodness we have people like Jim that are willing and able to sort these things out. But living on the isle of wight costs me almost 500 pounds just to get my car to him.

Anyone fancy a px for a micra?

I feel your pain mate. I bought one from the same trader couple of years ago. Cosmetically its very good. But... after 6 weeks of ownership I had to replace the gearbox. Then the timing belt tensioner collapsed despite promises that it had been done, was also told the drier for the air con was being replaced, guess what... it's never worked. Its eaten 3 clutches over a period of 10 months due to a bent fork. Surely this should have been picked up? Thank goodness we have people like Jim that are willing and able to sort these things out. But living on the isle of wight costs me almost 500 pounds just to get my car to him.

Anyone fancy a px for a micra?

 

That is absolutely shocking!! This is why it's good for people to come forward that have had BAD experiences like this to make other people aware!.

Edited July 10, 20187 yr by KnightRacer

No winners here as Steven has a Z that cost to much because of its condition and Gazwoz is getting all the bad rep.

 

I have now read both sides views on what happened and shared it with the Committee and until we talk about it in the Committee room I cant commit here. But here is the Auction House report/description of the 300zx and will leave you to decide if you would go ahead and bid on this Z or leave it alone.

 

 

Interior C, first registered December 1996, 5-speed manual gearbox, AC, power seat, power windows, original alloy wheels, one owner, fully repainted from unknown colour to white, only exterior has been repainted, paintwork uneven, steering wheel worn, driver's seat has 10 centimetre cut et cetera, driver's seat sagging, part of tonneau cover worn and cracked, wheels scratched, scratches and dents, roof and bonnet painted in different colour, paintwork uneven on roof and bonnet, rear wiper missing, other marks as per map

 

The paint is never an unknown colour every chassis id can be checked for a colour code it takes 2 seconds and quite a lot of the time the original colour code is still listed on the auction sheet, sorry to hear about this steven its not nice to deal with and not everyone who imports performs like this, I'd be eager to help you into a new Z32 to put this right

I feel your pain mate. I bought one from the same trader couple of years ago. Cosmetically its very good. But... after 6 weeks of ownership I had to replace the gearbox. Then the timing belt tensioner collapsed despite promises that it had been done, was also told the drier for the air con was being replaced, guess what... it's never worked. Its eaten 3 clutches over a period of 10 months due to a bent fork. Surely this should have been picked up? Thank goodness we have people like Jim that are willing and able to sort these things out. But living on the isle of wight costs me almost 500 pounds just to get my car to him.

Anyone fancy a px for a micra?

 

Unfortunately, the auctioneers don't check mechanical condition very thoroughly - you'll usually get notes for obvious things, e.g. smoking a lot.

 

The paint is never an unknown colour every chassis id can be checked for a colour code it takes 2 seconds and quite a lot of the time the original colour code is still listed on the auction sheet, sorry to hear about this steven its not nice to deal with and not everyone who imports performs like this, I'd be eager to help you into a new Z32 to put this right

 

Just checked back and the sheet didn't include the code in this case, but not like it's difficult to check.

The paint is never an unknown colour every chassis id can be checked for a colour code it takes 2 seconds and quite a lot of the time the original colour code is still listed on the auction sheet, sorry to hear about this steven its not nice to deal with and not everyone who imports performs like this, I'd be eager to help you into a new Z32 to put this right

 

Hi Josh good to hear from you. It's been a while since I last saw you, when i drove all the way up to collect that black vvti jzz30. Yes please, absolutely let's sort something out. A certain spec S springs to mind that's currently on its way?

Edited July 10, 20187 yr by KnightRacer

Unfortunately, the auctioneers don't check mechanical condition very thoroughly - you'll usually get notes for obvious things, e.g. smoking a lot.

 

My issue isn't with the auctioneer. I was told that it had an oil change and the timing belt and air con parts were replaced once it had arrived in the country. As Jimmer will testify..none of this had happened.

My issue isn't with the auctioneer. I was told that it had an oil change and the timing belt and air con parts were replaced once it had arrived in the country. As Jimmer will testify..none of this had happened.

 

I was also told that the cambelt was changed going by the sticker on the side when in fact it wasn't done! Had to ask power Z to make it right.

Edited July 10, 20187 yr by KnightRacer

Steven,

obviously, we are all sorry that you have had such a bad experience with a trader.

 

For his own reasons, Garry has declined to comment on the thread thus far, whether we think that is good or bad, that's his prerogative and we have to respect that position.

 

Although we do our best to protect members, traders are also paid up members, who have paid extra to have an advertising presence and access to the ready made market available.

In may cases, traders are members that have decided to try and help the club by providing a service.

 

But it is unfortunate that there will always be a customer of any trader that has a bad experience, whether on here, out in the world, wherever.

No trader will ever escape this fate, no matter good they are.

 

As an internet based publishing medium, we also have to be mindful of any relevant publishing laws regarding libel, etc.

In which case, we may need to moderate or clean up any posts that we feel might impinge those laws

This is not us "protecting the trader", or "taking sides" in any way. This is us performing a necessary legal obligation.

So please do not think we are acting on you personally in any way if this happens. This also applies to any member who finds their post has been moderated.

 

Unfortunately, many of these type of threads turn into a witch hunt, where we may lose members, traders, reputation, without ever establishing the full facts of the matter.

In this case there are a number of disgruntled customers, but also many happy customers that have not posted, as often happens on these types of thread.

 

There are still a few things that are unclear to me here, so if possible, would you be able to elaborate?

I am not trying to discredit anyone, or take sides, i just want to be sure that all of the details are available for people to form an opinion from.

 

I always assume 3 sides to every story: 1 for each concerned, and the neutral one between them.

 

 

Regarding the sourcing of the car:

Did Garry find the car, advertise details, and you followed up on it?

Did you ask Garry to specifically find a car for you with certain criteria?

Did you find the car listed, and approach Garry about bidding and importing on your behalf?

 

Regarding details of the car:

Did you have all of the same information as Garry, regarding description, pictures, etc before you decided to bid?

If Garry had someone local providing information, did you receive the same information back?

Did yourself and Garry discuss any of the description and detail, and did either advise caution?

 

Regarding price:

I think the price of the car and the price for the import are 2 separate things.

Although they add up to a considerable amount, they are separate.

This is especially important if you located the car and asked Garry to import on your behalf, rather than buying a car advertised by him.

 

Regarding the garage service:

This is where i can see there is a definite problem for all parties.

 

If they have told Garry and yourself that work has been done that has not been done, then unless Garry knew this was the case, you have both been misled equally.

If Garry had sourced the car completely, then all of the interaction with the garage should be by him, and any remdial work should have been at his cost before selling it on.

If Garry had sourced the car completely, then i would not have expected him to even want to sell it in that condition.

This is where you would have legal rights to refund based on the sale of goods, because in law he would be classed as a trader based on previous activities, even if not declared.

 

If you sourced the car and he bidded on and imported it on your behalf, before passing it to his regular garage for "conversion to uk" work, then that is where the problem starts to appear.

At this point it is your car, not his car, regardless of the actual condition that it came in as.

Any problems with the car, work needing to be done, etc, is down to you.

As you were not happy with the garage, then you had every right to take it elsewhere.

 

If other people have experienced problems with cars supplied wholly by Garry, with work from that garage not being as described by Garry, it might be that he is unaware that they are not providing the service to him that they claim?

 

My view:

 

If you had asked him to source the car for you based on a specification, or if you have asked him to get local inspection for you, and if he has then supplied misleading or incorrect information as to the condition knowing the true condition, then you may also have grounds for legal complaint.

If he has recommended the car in any way, then again that may be cause for recourse.

In this case, as a club, we would also be unhappy with his actions and have to consider how to handle that.

 

If he has been completely impartial, or even advised against bidding, based on the description, pictures, and any local information provided, then you and he have had the same amount of information to make a decision on, and presumably it was your decision to make a bid.

 

If i had asked someone to find me a car, or provide information or recommendation that proved to be bogus, i would be as upset and annoyed as you are too.

But if i had located the car and made the decision myself, based on everyone involved having the same information about the car, then i would have to accept some responsibility for that.

Even though i might have been relying on the experience of the importer to help me out, you can only use the information available.

 

Hopefully you can see from this big ramble that i am not showing any bias, just stating that without ALL of the facts, there is no clear cut way for anyone to identify clear fault or resolution, and the exact detail and position would need to be clarified for a successful legal challenge if you went that way.

We always prefer to give the benefit of any doubt to any party, until that doubt is gone.

 

Please message myself or any of the committee guys if you want to discuss this with us.

Edited July 12, 20187 yr by craig

Craig,

 

If you have an email might be easier for me to send the correspondence so you can see for yourself? But putting it shortly I approached Gary and asked him to find me what I was looking for Ie a slicktop na.

 

I did find one myself and was interested in it and asked him to investigate it but we didn't hear nothing back from the seller for a while, in the meantime he bought to my attention a z32 that is coming up on auction soon ie the next day, he mentioned the seat steering wheel being warm but he said I remember you saying you've got replacements is had a paint change it's a great 3.5 with low mileage one owner from new ect with regards to the paintwork he stated that he could get the bonnet and roof painted white for £300 or around that amount. And that it should be winnable for around £3,300.

 

So I was under the impression the things that need doing I've got the replacements for the paintwork i.e the roof and bonnet will be painted for £300. But unfortunately things didn't work out like this for me. In all this cost me around £8,000 total with the money I put into this that I'll never see again...

 

I like to go into more detail but I need to get ready for duty.

I'm really busy at the moment.

 

I'll possibly be bringing it over on Sunday so people can see the car and I could probably talk to you then?

Edited July 12, 20187 yr by KnightRacer

Craig,

 

If you have an email might be easier for me to send the correspondence so you can see for yourself? But putting it shortly I approached Gary and asked him to find me what I was looking for Ie a slicktop na.

 

I did find one myself and was interested in it and asked him to investigate it but we didn't hear nothing back from the seller for a while, in the meantime he bought to my attention a z32 that is coming up on auction soon ie the next day, he mentioned the seat steering wheel being warm but he said I remember you saying you've got replacements is had a paint change it's a great 3.5 with low mileage one owner from new ect with regards to the paintwork he stated that he could get the bonnet and roof painted white for £300 or around that amount. And that it should be winnable for around £3,300.

 

So I was under the impression the things that need doing I've got the replacements for the paintwork i.e the roof and bonnet will be painted for £300. But unfortunately things didn't work out like this for me. In all this cost me around £8,000 total with the money I put into this that I'll never see again...

 

I like to go into more detail but I need to get ready for duty.

I'm really busy at the moment.

 

I'll possibly be bringing it over on Sunday so people can see the car and I could probably talk to you then?

 

no problem Steven,

you can message me, or email craig@300zx.co.uk but am also happy to discuss on Sunday, where other committee members will also be present too.

Was just trying to show how slight differences in the request could have bigger impacts in any resolution. :thumbup1:

Can l ask one question

Why would anyone pay a substantial amount of money for a car before they have seen it and at the very least had contract of sale detailing the condition of the car before parting with any money, With quarantees if the car is not as described. Just basic common sense.

Has no on heard of the Latin expression “caveat Emptor”

It’s all very well all these clever comments now but this poor guy seems to have been ripped off.

If the club is going to promote traders then there should a code of conduc they agree to abide by.

Keithg70