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There seems to be lots of conflicting information surrounding this little sucker. So I thought I'd start this thread not only to get mine sussed but for others to have a nice clear explanation. Useful when converting to manual from auto.

 

My current understanding and please correct me if I'm wrong, this is a discussion not a how to.

 

On manual cars and autos, but for now let's out lie manuals there are two switches on the gear box. The reverse light switch and neutral position switch.

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The neutral switch makes and breaks the circuit from the ecu effecting base idle timing. When the engine is up to tempreture the following timing should be observed;

In gear 25BTDC

In neutral 15BTDC

 

The idea is that the idle should sit lower whilst the car is at rest, when you engage gear to move away the timing will advance 10 degrees and the idle should jump up a tick. In neutral the circuit is complete and timing decreases, in gear its complete and timing advances. This has two effects should you not connect it or it has failed in the off position. Warm idle sits at 25BTDC, which confuses people who wind it back loosing out on power through the range. With base idle set at 750rpm the car bogs a touch on pull away. I've ended with my idle at 900rpm to reduce this effect.

 

So on the ecu is pin 44 a yellow wire with a blue stripe. This is the AT/MT neutral switch connection. Grounding this wire to the chassis will activate the neutral switch and reduce to the 15BTDC state. Obviously we only want this when we're in neutral, so this connection is connected to the neutral position switch, the output of the switch goes to ground. This makes and breaks our circuit as desired.

 

The switch itself is about £60 when buying an OEM Nissan item for the z32. Fortunately it's the same switch used in many Nissan boxes including the Navara D22. Pattern parts are available for these common cars for less than £20. Winner. The same trick also works with the reverse light switch. When converting its sensible to change both or at least check them. They have a habit of failing.

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So are you saying simply chop the yellow and blue wire in half , earth the half that goes into the ECU and blank off the other end ?

i dont have the The neutral switch no more just jumped the pin on the ecu. the timing changes as you put the throttle down anyhow you dont have to the neutral switch

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So are you saying simply chop the yellow and blue wire in half , earth the half that goes into the ECU and blank off the other end ?

 

Nope. Yellow and blue to the switch, switch to ground.

 

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i dont have the The neutral switch no more just jumped the pin on the ecu. the timing changes as you put the throttle down anyhow you dont have to the neutral switch

 

So you've connected pin44 to Earth directly? Your right you don't "need" it but it's better to have it.

Nope. Yellow and blue to the switch, switch to ground.

 

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So you've connected pin44 to Earth directly? Your right you don't "need" it but it's better to have it.

 

 

yes thats what i did. so in the real world whats the pro and cons of having it form all the reading i have done and all the people i spoke to when i did the auto to manual, its seem its make no odds to have or not to have it

I connected pin 44 to earth directly as said I chopped the blue and yellow wire by the ECU, earthed the side that goes into the ECU and capped the other end that goes to the switch , is this right or wrong , im confused

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yes thats what i did. so in the real world whats the pro and cons of having it form all the reading i have done and all the people i spoke to when i did the auto to manual, its seem its make no odds to have or not to have it

 

From what I understand. In that case your ECU believes your constantly in neutral, your whole timing curve is suppressed.

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I connected pin 44 to earth directly as said I chopped the blue and yellow wire by the ECU, earthed the side that goes into the ECU and capped the other end that goes to the switch , is this right or wrong , im confused

 

I'm confused too. Pin 44 the wire from the ecu should go to the switch. The other wire on the switch should go to ground. You would need to extend the cables obviously.

From what I understand. In that case your ECU believes your in neutral, your whole timing curve is suppressed.

 

all reading i did on this said once your under throttle the timing will be normal. if thats the case. i wonder when you remap the car you can sort that issue out

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all reading i did on this said once your under throttle the timing will be normal. if thats the case. i wonder when you remap the car you can sort that issue out

 

I wonder how that works. TPS interupts things maybe?

so I chopped the yellow and blue wire in half for no good reason ?, where in the car will I find the other wire that I do need to connect to ground

hold on , do I definitely have a neutral switch ? or could that have been removed when the conversion was done

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I think your confusing yourself mate. Yes you needed to cut that cable at the ecu, join and extend it to the switch. Your ground, is simply attached to the chassis. You will have one, it's simply a case of wether it works.

When I did mine spoke to someone at z center and I didn't do anything to the Ecu pin 44 I just took the wires in to the cab and put on a switch to make inhibitor switch so when I'm not in the car it's a back up you can't Nick the car ie unless you flick the switch the car don't turn over a little backup it all helps

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When I did mine spoke to someone at z center and I didn't do anything to the Ecu pin 44 I just took the wires in to the cab and put on a switch to make inhibitor switch so when I'm not in the car it's a back up you can't Nick the car ie unless you flick the switch the car don't turn over a little backup it all helps

 

That sounds like the starter inhibiter mate.

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when I do auto to manual conversions I always chop the plug of the neutral switch, ground one side out and run a cable and patch it into pin 44.

 

That's the correct way to do it.

Il bosh up some pictures and a diagram tomorrow.

 

Anychance you can do it tonight,Poor Neil wont get a wink of sleep if you dont :lol:

Anychance you can do it tonight,Poor Neil wont get a wink of sleep if you dont :lol:

 

Sorted

 

Jeff

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Anychance you can do it tonight,Poor Neil wont get a wink of sleep if you dont :lol:

 

In a word, no. :lol:

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Whilst you guys are looking in, is what I've posted factual? Any misconception on my behalf here?

Whilst you guys are looking in, is what I've posted factual? Any misconception on my behalf here?

 

i forgot to say the other day i have a auto ecu in the car.

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