Hi I'm thinking of getting my Zx this custom made pipe work to relocate the turbos to the front. (Next to the top intercooler pipes either side) Making it easier to replace. I'm not a Mecanhic so I have spent a lot of money getting other to do work on my Zed.

 

When I get this kit made will anyone be interested to get this done to their car also. As I got quoted £700. So if anyone else wants it done too I will get this kit made up for you guys. Hopefully higher amount of people who want this cheaper the price.

Hi I'm thinking of getting my Zx this custom made pipe work to relocate the turbos to the front. (Next to the top intercooler pipes either side) Making it easier to replace. I'm not a Mecanhic so I have spent a lot of money getting other to do work on my Zed.

 

When I get this kit made will anyone be interested to get this done to their car also. As I got quoted £700. So if anyone else wants it done too I will get this kit made up for you guys. Hopefully higher amount of people who want this cheaper the price.

 

You mean the same kit that you're already offering for sale on eBay? That kit?

You mean the same kit that you're already offering for sale on eBay? That kit?

 

Yes that kit! Item no: xxxxxxxxx

Edited March 27, 20169 yr by Gaz 300
Registered user selling

I've only just posed it online today. As I have sorted out a company who are willing to make these kits in bulk. So it's there if anyone wants it. Just thought I'd put it out there

Lot more required than simply fitting different manifolds though isn't there.

What exactly does your kit comprise of?

What do the manifolds look like?

Not to put a downer on it but I can't really see you breaking even by relocating your turbos, bearing in mind most people would fit new turbos once. Unless your changing out turbos regularly I don't see the benefit to cost/hassel ratio.

Complete waste of money. Looks awful too if I'm honest.

Lot more required than simply fitting different manifolds though isn't there.

What exactly does your kit comprise of?

What do the manifolds look like?

Not to put a downer on it but I can't really see you breaking even by relocating your turbos, bearing in mind most people would fit new turbos once. Unless your changing out turbos regularly I don't see the benefit to cost/hassel ratio.

 

 

Yes i do believe there may be a few mods needed, such as removal and/or relocate HICAS pump, few wires etc. I don't have any pictures of how the manifolds looks like yet or what needs moving around as my car is in for the job at the moment. Once it's been fitted I can take loads of pics of fitting, sizes and instructions etc.

 

Well my turbos blew twice, so my engine had to come out twice to replace and costed a fair bit to do so. And plus I didn't buy £1000+ turbos i just use used standards. I'm not a rich guy so I can't be spending my kids inheritance on big turbos. I just use them until they go. And with this kit it will be even cheaper to replace. Yes I know if I invest in good turbos I won't have to replace them so often and would of spent so much. I do what I can with the money I have got at the time of replacement. But that's the way I choose to do it and I'm sure others will agree.

 

And I know a lot of guys who do the same. People can even experiment with the forbidden Chinese copy turbos which I know people use or are not sure of. Yes they may be cheap but can be replaced easier with this kit. An hours job'

 

With this you can also experiment on different turbo projects or people who use the car for drifting/racing etc who go through turbos like batteries!

 

Some people may think it's worth it some people may not. This may be a big fix for someone or this may be just a cosmetic look people like to have under the hood to show off those turbos.

So you can't justify spending £1k + on some good turbos, but you can justify spending £750 (remember, you're not making a penny from these kits) on giving yourself the ability to change your turbos easily...?

I'm not trying to poo poo your idea as I say. However forgive me when I say, you've got 4 posts to your name, 2 of which are on this thread and your offering a kit which you didn't design or have much information of for £700. On the basis of it making things cheaper. Your kit plus refurbed stock turbos and the necessary other work is going to put a pretty big dent in your wallet. A smaller dent would be made by some nice shinney new turbos. I think you need to provide more information than you are currently before being able to offer this for sale, at least for your own conversion to be complete.

£750 is a one off purchase, turbos can blow easy depending on what you use the car for. So if people are replacing turbos often then this kit is for them. If your using the car to go down the corner shop for your paper then this may not be feasible for you. This can also be used as a cosmetic look. I use my car for both local runs, work and racing. So it's worth it.

If someone is going to upgrade or replace their turbos, they may want to add this kit on. Like I said earlier my car is in for the job. All I'm doing is putting it out there if anyone else wants it. It's that simple. I will get more info on specs of the installation, once it's all completed. I don't see what I'm doing wrong here. I'm just trying to give people a solution to their problem, if they think they have one.

 

Like i said before some people may like it some people may not. Also you have to remember it's a made to order kit.

If someone is going to upgrade or replace their turbos, they may want to add this kit on. Like I said earlier my car is in for the job. All I'm doing is putting it out there if anyone else wants it. It's that simple. I will get more info on specs of the installation, once it's all completed. I don't see what I'm doing wrong here. I'm just trying to give people a solution to their problem, if they think they have one.

 

Like i said before some people may like it some people may not. Also you have to remember it's a made to order kit.

 

Well, for a start: you're offering a service (for profit or otherwise) without even being a subscribed member here, so that's the first issue.

 

Another issue, for me at least, is how much flow-work or performance testing has been done with this conversion. It obviously requires new downpipes, as you've stated, so what sort of characteristics do the new ones have? How much R&D has been done (by yourself or the company building this kit) to ensure that they are at least as efficient as the stock DPs?

 

I get that replacing turbos on the VG30 is a PITA - my own will require changing in the near future - but is an additional £750 plus fitting going to be a justifiable expense for the average Z32 owner here?

My sore point is your offering a product, that you can't provide any information on and proclaiming it's a cost effective solution. I can't see how your maths works out there. Especially if your paying for labour.

 

The photograph you used, has had its hicas removed, ps relocated, fuse box relocated, radiator relocated, intercoolers replaced for a front mount (expensive TDM one buy the looks of it) water pipes for rad modified. I wouldn't be surprised if the front wings had be modified to allow space. It's a long expensive list, especially if your paying someone else.

 

Equally what materials are used? Assuming the manifolds are made of tubular steel, multiple tuning shops with R&D budgets have failed to make a tubular manifold for the Z32 they always fail from heat stress, even the inconnel ones failed.

 

It's not a cheap easy option it's an expensive and long road for an avid tinkerer. You need more information to sell this product. I'm not deliberately being a dick, I'm just being honest. What your telling me doesn't add up. I'm all for innovation and ingenuity however put yourself in a buyers shoes, there's quite a few questions that require answering.

Edited March 27, 20169 yr by Stephen

Well, for a start: you're offering a service (for profit or otherwise) without even being a subscribed member here, so that's the first issue.

 

Another issue, for me at least, is how much flow-work or performance testing has been done with this conversion. It obviously requires new downpipes, as you've stated, so what sort of characteristics do the new ones have? How much R&D has been done (by yourself or the company building this kit) to ensure that they are at least as efficient as the stock DPs?

 

I get that replacing turbos on the VG30 is a PITA - my own will require changing in the near future - but is an additional £750 plus fitting going to be a justifiable expense for the average Z32 owner here?

 

 

You calling me a lair? That's the price of construction, end of. I came on here to tell everyone about it if anyone wanted one. Like I said this is obviously not for you. So stop spoiling the chance for others. This is my first time on a forum big deal! What's your point?

 

I think you need to read the first couple of messages again. I stated that the more that are interested the lower the price will be! And my car is currently in for the job so I won't know any specs of performance figures on dyno etc. I'm just putting out there! It's that simple! If you don't want it or not interested stop slateing the idea.

 

If anyone else is interested:xxxxxxxxx

 

 

End of thread.

Edited March 27, 20169 yr by Gaz 300
Registered user selling

You calling me a lair? That's the price of construction, end of. I came on here to tell everyone about it if anyone wanted one. Like I said this is obviously not for you. So stop spoiling the chance for others. This is my first time on a forum big deal! What's your point?

 

I think you need to read the first couple of messages again. I stated that the more that are interested the lower the price will be! And my car is currently in for the job so I won't know any specs of performance figures on dyno etc. I'm just putting out there! It's that simple! If you don't want it or not interested stop slateing the idea.

 

If anyone else is interested:xxxxxxxx

 

 

End of thread.

 

End of thread? I don't think so!

 

You appear to be taking exception to (for all you know) possible customers asking legitimate questions about this conversion, which is a peculiar stance to take. But you've just stated yourself that your car is the guinea pig so there are precisely NO R&D figures to provide, which answers at least one of my questions. :thumbup1:

 

I imagine that it would primarily be racers or drifters who would have an interest in this and I'd expect those people to be very concerned with the flow capabilities of this setup. So that, I think, should be your primary selling point.

 

If you're not going to make a single penny from these kits, why are you offering them for sale, rather than the company who are actually building them...? Are you affiliated with the builders, by any chance?

 

The information you're able to provide is minimal at best. And you don't like questions being asked about either the product or yourself. Neither of those things is good from the perspective of a potential customer. ;)

Edited March 27, 20169 yr by Gaz 300

As has been pointed out, you do not seem to have provided the full story on what is required to complete this "cost saving" exercise. Ignoring the performance R&D, if someone pays out for this kit to find they have to reinvest a further large amount of money to complete it, I'd say they would be pretty pissed! You should list exactly what needs doing and what else needs to be purchased outside of this kit you're supplying as a "registered member" back door trader.

 

Also, your manner on here seems very defensive/dismissive to the concerns expressed rather than helpful replies to address them and answer the questions which is never a great start to customer relations.

 

Is your car currently in a workshop being measured up and the kit being manufactured?

Edited March 27, 20169 yr by Joely P

As has been pointed out, you do not seem to have provided the full story on what is required to complete this "cost saving" exercise. Ignoring the performance R&D, if someone pays out for this kit to find they have to reinvest a further large amount of money to complete it, I'd say they would be pretty pissed! You should list exactly what needs doing and what else needs to be purchased outside of this kit you're supplying as a "registered member" back door trader.

 

Also, your manner on here seems very defensive/dismissive to the concerns expressed rather than helpful replies to address them and answer the questions which is never a great start to customer relations.

 

Is your car currently in a workshop being measured up and the kit being manufactured?

 

Yes car is currently in workshop being sorted out. I'm not being defensive, I keep going in circles and saying the same stuff over and over again. And answering the same questions.

 

Again my car is in workshop measurement and work being done. Once all this has been done I will provide full specs and pics of installation and dyno test runs.

 

Again I am putting it out there as more people who sign up the cheaper the price for everyone. I'm

Hoping it to go down by £300. I can't give any figures as I don't know them yet. Like I said before. So please don't take my comments as offensive as that's not my intention.

 

You just have to bare with me and I will have more info to provide in a weeks time.

A thought has just occurred to me: if your car is currently in the shop being measured up and whathaveyou, then where is the picture of the finished installation from...?

I just think it would've been wise to be armed with these finer details before advertising the item for sale. I'm still none the wiser as to what would be required to finish this installation; what, where to and how do I relocate components, do I need to replace my SMIC and buy a front mount, if so what front mount would be compatible, what else is needed. That way a perspective buyer can gain a better estimate of the total costs involved.

 

As the company have quoted you £700 to custom manufacture this kit, does that mean that subsequent kits will also cost £700 even though they will probably save 80% of the manhours on the 2nd set onwards? Considering they will just be a copy of the kit you've had made. If they're not a copy of your kit, then you need to amend the advert to state that the buyer would need to send his car to the manufacturer for the duration of the build.

 

I'm not saying that as you're "pioneering" this development that you should soak up all the costs of development and then all the buyers thereafter should get the kit for pence, I understand that maybe you want to make a profit on the first few kits to claw back some of the development costs, I get that. However I do think you should be more transparent if you're claiming to be offering an item essentially for free (no profit) from your side. I'm sure you can understand why the alarm bells are ringing for us paranoid linch mobs!

Issue: this conversion doesn't even technically exist yet, as the OP's car is currently in the shop for measuring and fabrication.

 

So the whole point of this thread is to effectively drum up advance orders for something that may or may not offer any benefit other than relocating the turbos themselves and may or may not offer any performance benefit or detriment!

 

Myself, I'd want to know more about the engineering firm who are doing the actual work before I even considered a deposit for something like this. The information is too sketchy for my liking and, as I said, the product for sale doesn't actually exist at this point in time...

These are the threads detailing the original fabricator and development of this setup in the U.S. Going by the amount

of work involved this looks an expensive and time consuming setup to achieve.

 

http://www.300zxclub.com/showthread.php?t=152375

 

http://www.300zxclub.com/showthread.php?t=161342

 

http://www.300zxclub.com/showthread.php?t=177933

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