i have had an induction kit and stainless exhaust fitted for

 

some time now. but i m stuck between fitting a boost controller

 

or going for nitrous. have any of you guys got gas on your zeds

 

if so have you had any problems and is it as good as it sounds?

Up the Boost!

up the boost, nitrous is asking for trouble on a non modified engine, the more 'traditional' route to power is intake, exhaust, ECU, boost upgrade. The safest option for moderate power increases and its not overly expensive either. There are good reasons that hardly anybody here uses nitrous.

Nitrous is really the last thing you do in a long line of mods.

You put that on now and your engine wouldnt last long and would melt. Plus the fact you can probably get the same amount of power increase with increasing the boost. And then you will have the extra power all the time and not when you press a button.

I don't have personal experience but I've done some reading up on Nitrous. I'm not sure it's fair to say that it's a dangerous mod. In small doses.

 

I believe that Nitrous has a huge cooling effect on the incoming mixture and in small shots it can be a safe way to power.

 

Personally I wouldn't recommend it on a Z in the early stages but that's because of the cost of the kit, the ongoing cost of Nitrous and the fact that you only get a minute or two from a tank.

 

Boost is always there !

You put that on now and your engine wouldnt last long and would melt

 

yeah, and it will melt your paintwork off the body, cut through your brake lines, put your suspension geometry out & if it ever leaks out of the bottle, it will come into your house & steal your children!! :rolleyes:

 

it just needs to be setup correctly ffs!

As Paul C said, it needs setting up correctly - sure a 300bhp kit would probably do damage on a stock Z, but in the right measures it is harmless.

 

 

All this talk of melted/destroyed engines - I presume that there have been cases of properly set up Nitrous going wrong for these claims to be based on? Because I certainly haven't heard of any.

i have used GAS on my previous cars and have melted both engines.

If you understand that it will obviously shorten the lifespan of an engine just like increasing the boost will, and you set it up the correct way... ie not the way i did it lol, then your onto a serious ammount of fun lol.

apart from the negatives ie : having to refill , carrying a bottle of explosive gas ect in your boot he he he :D (did you see what that bottle did to that well errm did anyone ever recognise that car lol)

 

 

JWT do a ECU including a map for the use of gas, ie once the blowers are spooling full bore the gas will be shut of by the ecu?

Lets not forget nitro in GREECE ran a 12.1 on pretty much a stock car with a shot of gas.

then of course in the states they have loads of stock 300s(ie not bigger turbos) all in the low 11's with gas.

after all this if your still reading lol i wouldent use it on my zed.

A friend of mine has been running Nitrous for a while now on a stock block with no problems except he keeps running out of gas (even the big bottles don’t last long), but I think you would be better to go for the ecu upgrade and boost controller.

warren - nitrous is not explosive mate (at least i hope not - its the same stuff they force down your neck in the dentists to put you out!!!)

 

its oxygen rich, which in turn allows you to burn more fuel, which is also injected with the nitrous. this is what gives you the power boost

I thought the whole idea of Nitrous was that it IS explosive, having the two parts oxygen in it makes it go BOOM! in your cylinders much better. The nitrogen element is the inert 'carrier' bit, but I'd still not want to light up next to a cloud of it!:eek:

nope- just allows you to burn more fuel, fuel is injected at the same time as the nitrous goes in, usually with nozzles next to the gas nozzles, or ,as with the jwt ecu, through the standard injectors.

 

its the fuel that burns, the nitrous just allows more fuel to burn

Oh, right, cheers for clearing that up!:)

What is nitrous oxide?

 

Nitrous oxide (N2O) is a clear, colorless, oxidizing liquefied gas with a slightly sweet odor. The product is stable and inert at room temperature. While classified by the U. S. Department of Transportation (DOT) as a nonflammable gas, nitrous oxide will support combustion and can detonate at temperatures in excess of 650° C (1202° F).

 

What are the principal applications of nitrous oxide?

 

Nitrous oxide finds beneficial use in a number of legitimate applications. Following is a listing of the primary "consuming" markets/applications along with approximate shares of total volume consumed by each:

 

Market Application % of Total

 

Medicine/Dentistry Anesthesia (analgesic property) 89-90%

 

Food Processing Propellant 5 - 8%

 

Other: 3 - 5

 

- Semiconductor Mfg. Oxidizer used at very high purities

- Analytical Chemistry Oxidizer used with acetylene in atomic absorption spectrometry

- Chemical Mfg. Raw material in production of chemical used to inflate airbags

- Auto Racing Engine injection for boosting horsepower

Originally posted by Paul C

warren - nitrous is not explosive mate (at least i hope not - its the same stuff they force down your neck in the dentists to put you out!!!)

 

its oxygen rich, which in turn allows you to burn more fuel, which is also injected with the nitrous. this is what gives you the power boost

http://tnmotorsports.com/boom.htm

 

this is what i was on about lol.

If that is not an explosion then i dont know what is lmao.

:D :D :D

 

I understand what you are saying but this is what i am saying

http://tnmotorsports.com/Images/badnos1.jpg

remains of the bottle

 

 

http://tnmotorsports.com/Images/badnos3.jpg

Remains of the car

 

 

http://tnmotorsports.com/Images/badnos2.jpg

rear section of car left in the wall lol

lol - ok!! :D

lloydox,

 

There's a great article in the Sep/Oct '01 issue of Japanese Performance about a pretty tasty 300 with nitrous, plus some general technical stuff about the whole topic :D , I'd suggest you try and get hold of it. Don't know if the owner is on here, but his name's Malcolm.

 

I'd send you a copy of the article myself, but don't have a scanner to hand .. but, you can easily order back-copies from CHP who distribute this fine publication at http://www.chpltd.com . They come pretty damn quickly too:) ... I know because I scanned through them all and bought all the ones with 300 articles in!

 

CheerZ,

John.

Malcolm's been running his car with nitrous for yonks (at least 3). I raced him at Santa Pod with virtually identical mods apart from the fact that he had nitrous and I didn't. He beat me by just over a second.

 

Not so keen on his rear lights unless he's changed them. Painted on circles ?

 

Great car though.

 

Oh, and I don't think he's on here.

Yeah,

 

Painted on circles ... well they were in that issue of Japanese Performance, at least.

 

Nice bodykit and wheels, though, may consider some of those ATS planets myself:D :D

 

CheerZ,

John.

http://www.nitrous.info/

 

Lots of good reading on there, along with why nitrous is safe if setup correctly, and the fact that the reason it burns in the cylinder is that under compression the nitrogen and oxygen seperate - the oxygen combusts with the extra fuel injected, and the nitrogen provides a 'cushion' (I think he termed it) to help prevent overly stressing the engine.

 

Oh and a NOS tank will explode like that if you heat it, and it has no safety pressure valve - which all tanks should have, unless you are a cheapskate and don't value your safety (I don't fancy a cylinder exploding in a fire very much either).

Think about asking the insurance companies how much wonga they're going to want first!

cheers guys for the info guess its the boost controller then all though i was only looking at a 40-75 bhp kit just for fun at the push of a button:D

 

 

cheers again lloydox

Thisa was new to me too, until last year. I have done the hands on research and am noew directly involved in running 3 cars with nitrous as cheif mechanic, and tea boy for 3 (low (very low) budget racers.

 

The things I have learned are:

 

Nitrous is very dangerous if you are a total W**ker. the bad explosions blow bits of engine off (I have seen a cosworth turbo 100m up, and the bonnet was shut (with a largish hole). This happens usually when a solenoid leaks, with the gas left on a first attempt to start - I've seen that 3 times!! Cure is to always turn the gas source off with a secondary overide - the tap on the bottle, &/or crank the engine over before you try to start it (I.e. seperate feed to the starter motor engine off) to purge the plenum of any unwanted nasties. Pretty simple stuff.

 

Nitrous is fantastic on turbo engines. Basically it is an expanding gas when it hits your plenum, so it is very (very very) cold. Net effect is that like having an intercooler the size of a house!! Your turbos also sopin up on expanding exhast gasses - Nitrous produces loads of those - virtually eliminates lag!!

 

Nitrous works exactly like turbos. I.e. its a chemical booster rather than a mechanical one. It likes low compression engines like these. If you run it lean it will detonate (like a turbo) and melt the pistions - so don't run it lean (like a turbo). If run too much (like boost) it will detonate and melt a piston (so don't run too much). If you run a sensible kit (75bhp or so) it will eliminate your lag, reduce your charge temperature (so allow the management to make more power off the turbo independantly of the gas) and produce 75bhp more.

 

We have put 50bhp kits on lesser cars and seen 80!!

 

The bad news is the gas doesn't work long, but lets face it if youv'e goat a 500bhp zed how long do you truly spend with your foot planted?

 

I've made new friends this year and if I'm allowed the plug why don't you look at the nitrous solutions site &/or call mike on 01375 856 261. Seriously talk to somebody who knows what they are doing &/or come and have a ride in a gas/turbo car - you'll never look back, and you'll never spend less on power!!

 

Up to you though - if you wanna spend a fortune,I'll continue to watch you do it in my rear veiw.

have you got a 300zx?

 

just interested? nickelby?

and if not what do you have?

Yes. I've got a 92 UK Turbo. I've also got a spaceframe and kevlar 3litre starlet though, so the Nissan is my sunday car, and not to be tampered with. Yet.....

 

Why did you ask by the way?