Since our AGM at last year's JAE, the committee has been reviewing the club's policy on the issue of permanent bans to errant members.

 

Having carefully considered the policy, we are united in the opinion that the notion of a permanet ban from the club is an absolute last resort; and one course of action reserved for when nothing else is appropriate in the circumstances. Hence we have decided to retain the notion of a permanent ban where the action is in the best interests of the club and its membership; as there are already finite bans in place with fixed terms - eg. of 1 week, 1 month, 1 year etc etc.

 

However we have all agreed that even if a permanent ban has been issued, sometimes some people deserve a second chance. Consequently anyone issued with a permanent ban (past or present) will now be permitted to apply to the committee for their return to the forum after a period of 12 months from the issue of their ban.

 

It's a bit like parole - one applies to return, the committee takes a vote and lets him or her know. If the application is successful, then the former banned member is permitted back onto the forum on a probationery period of 6 months. Conversely if a person's application is denied; they remain banned - although they are still eligible to apply to have their ban overturned in another 12 months. And so on.....

 

The present system of appealing against a permanet ban still remains the same - once a member is permanently banned from the club, they have the usual 7 day period to appeal against the committee's decision. As said, a permanent ban is always a last resort; we do not like having to take such drastic action against our members unless we are faced with no alternative option. And whilst the permanent ban does remain in place (when necessary), we are willing to reconsider each individual situation at some point in the future!

 

Richard

For the committee

Here's an idea, the idea is based around two principals. Firstly the undertone comments of decisions being made behind closed doors and secondly as you say about what members want.

To open up to a public vote of subscribed members decisions such as how a forum element will work or who goes and stays, who is elected as a mod or reo.

No comments would be available neither would the vote be traceable you simply vote yes or no. This way the membership as a whole gets their say. And it's delt with democratically for the good of the membership. The majority should rule.

Hi all!

 

I am sure this will get deleted, but it 'would' be nice for it to stay. I still visit this forum very frequently

 

Ok. Nice to see my name up in lights.

 

I would like to point out a 'few' things. Firstly. Yes, I am sorry if I ever did cause distress and heartache to anyone on here. I can't imagine for one minute it was that many.

 

Secondly, any 'so called' screen grab was something that was taken from 'chat' where StellaZ and I poked fun at each other. Nothing highly significant.

 

Thirdly. I understand that it's a 3-strike and you're out situation. Well, I was banned initially for the first time and it went straight to a perma-ban. I did question it a few times, but it appears it fell on deaf ears.

 

Lastly, the worst I did was poke a little fun. The final straw for the team was the fact that I called Mikey Bean a 'moron' after actually insulted me. I didn't really care, thought the thread was amusing and so did he and he was drunk at the time! The committee then banned me suggesting that was the end of a long list of things. The last one being extremely petty. There was a personality clash within the committee which was evident and those that didn't like me, sought every possible way to oust me. I know this due to what I've learned was said behind closed doors.

 

Like I said, I am sorry if I've genuinely offended anyone, but that's not huge in nature. I am very jovial and actually, not personal. I certainly never abused anyone personally, called them out, called them offensive words as that is NOT who I am or what I am about. The only time I did that was the 'moron' comment. Hardly the comedy version of the Nuremberg trials.

 

With all that said and done, I’m very much a different person from the one I was 2-3 years ago. I had a lot of stresses in personal life (death/bereavement and illness within the family + job loss and all sorts of other things - those that know me knew what I was going through) which probably meant I was on here a little more than I should have been and probably a little more flippant toward staff members (again which I apoloise for), although my above statement still stands.

 

So, appreciate I’ll never likely be unbanned, but thought I’d show my face and say that ‘if’ I genuinely offended anyone, then I do apologise.

 

Si

 

 

Hi Si and as a banned member I have no choice but to ban you now but let me say this first Thank you for saying sorry it takes a big heart to say sorry publicly to all of us and I appreciate your statement. I at the time of your ban was down as a listed friend in your profile but there was no other way of controlling your outbursts so we had to let you go. This was a big decision as you where very popular and still are but for the good of the club and to stop members leaving and complaining it had to be done.

So like all the other banned members you need to get in touch with Rich if you want to come back and I wish you well.

 

This post can stay on open forum.

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adding that this post can stay

I don't remember that Allan; also, as I said before, this was a number of years ago. People change, times change. :)

 

Just to support you here Si. As I said earlier he is a respected moderator on the US site which is massive, no issues there. Yeah he's a banter menace but that's all it is, opinionated banter. Also mikey is a moron he'd admit that lol.

Why have I got the movie Judge Dredd in my head lmao....

Well I hope he does contact Richard. And I hope he is given a chance. If he isn't given a fair chance then the whole thread is pointless. But I do genuinely believe we have a good set of commitee member who will review this independantly provinf Si does approach them.

 

Like I said though, erhaps allow him back for a set time and then review it further.

 

Good luck either way!

 

Perhaps you should send Alan a can of Stella, then he'll like you again

As popular as ever and will always be. But no one member is greater than the club that applies to me and all the Mods and Committee. We have to stand by our own rules or we go down the slippy slope that other clubs have gone and they lose there membership.

We did ban FunkySi and by doing so we knew that a hell of a lot of members would be up in arms but we had to stand up for the few that were being abused even though we lost a lot of members by doing it but that will be always the decision of the Committee.

 

Now a few years on we have Si saying sorry and this reinforce's my thoughts that we made the right decision at the time. As Richard has said people change over time so this system of coming home to banned members is why we now have it.

Very well written that Gary. I hope this thread gets updated with the outcome and I am personally happy that we have you lot looking at things like this to made the club better.

 

Anyway, if you come to JAE - You can make me a burger since I voted for you to win car of the month lol

Very well written that Gary. I hope this thread gets updated with the outcome and I am personally happy that we have you lot looking at things like this to made the club better.

 

Anyway, if you come to JAE - You can make me a burger since I voted for you to win car of the month lol

 

Love to make you a burger mate :yes: Thanks for the Committee endorsement it nice to see we are going down the right track but I know we do get a lot of grief when we have to ban but believe me it has to be done sometimes as a last resort. Warnings are given and if a member refuses to take them on then its his own fault.

I have seen a lot of bad things being said about this club lately and it saddens me to read it but we will let our actions speak for us and not get involved with any such remarks and thats the last I say on that matter.

 

And yes you will get updated on banned members wanting to come back but remember its a vote in the Committee rooms and what is best for the club we will go with.

That's fine, At least it's being reviewed. I guess that this is only going to be a good idea though, if the commitee do actually allow some of the members to return, otherwise it seems completely pointless and is maybe giving some former members false hope so to speak.

 

I still like the idea of giving a chance on a temporary basis of whatever time period you guys feel fit. Would then at least allow the applicant to 'show' and prove that he or she has changed for the better. This would possibly work well if there's a split vote or perhaps the commitee just still have some reservations.

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That's fine, At least it's being reviewed. I still like the idea of giving a chance on a temporary basis of whatever time period you guys feel fit. Would then at least allow the applicant to 'show' and prove that he or she has changed for the better.

 

I guess from a general member point of view, we are only able to see so much and perhaps if we were in the position you/other's are in we may have different views. But that's your job.

 

Yes whats good for the club and its members is all we want mate.

Now I thihk I should be promoted to head of diplomacy and king of tact lol

That's fine, At least it's being reviewed. I guess that this is only going to be a good idea though, if the commitee do actually allow some of the members to return, otherwise it seems completely pointless and is maybe giving some former members false hope so to speak.

 

I still like the idea of giving a chance on a temporary basis of whatever time period you guys feel fit. Would then at least allow the applicant to 'show' and prove that he or she has changed for the better. This would possibly work well if there's a split vote or perhaps the commitee just still have some reservations.

 

simon has been banned temporarily in the past quite a few times and allowed back, and from my point of view it just fuelled his arrogance, im sorry for saying it and i know simon cant defend himself for fear of being banned again but its the truth

 

just because he has come here and apologised doesnt make it all better, maybe some members shouldnt be back for the sake of the forum? It isnt my job to decide

 

and it was only just the other day simon had a big rant on another forum mocking this forum and its admin, then two days later comes back with this long apology, maybe something else is afoot?

 

there are some members i would like to see re apply, one is big jim, i liked his banter but his past exploits as another banned member may not allow, i will ask the comittee if i can contact him to see if he wishes

Yeah, I like big jim too.

 

I guess the way I'm looking at it is... This is a way of looking to the future rather than the past.

 

Anyway, when you coming to see the bairn, I'll ever let you sit in the zed if you'd like to Reminisce back to the good old days :)

i will let ya know bud, i do want to pop over but im always working and when i do get a chance of some time i spend it working in my house, 7 years on and still not finished lol

There have been some good, positive comments on here in the last couple of days - and in that time Gary has said everything I could have contributed and more!

 

So all I will add. is that if any member still serving a permanent ban wishes to contact me with regards to returning to the forum, please e-mail me on my forum address:

 

richardsmith@300zx.co.uk

 

Richard:thumbup1:

 

simon has been banned temporarily in the past quite a few times and allowed back, and from my point of view it just fuelled his arrogance, im sorry for saying it and i know simon cant defend himself for fear of being banned again but its the truth

 

just because he has come here and apologised doesnt make it all better, maybe some members shouldnt be back for the sake of the forum? It isnt my job to decide

 

and it was only just the other day simon had a big rant on another forum mocking this forum and its admin, then two days later comes back with this long apology, maybe something else is afoot?

 

there are some members i would like to see re apply, one is big jim, i liked his banter but his past exploits as another banned member may not allow, i will ask the comittee if i can contact him to see if he wishes

 

It's clear to see that your gripe with Simon is personal, for that reason, I believe you shouldn't be allowed to vote on the subject. Your comments make a mockery of the full intent of this thread and to suggest that you would rather see a member unbanned who 'ripped off' other members for his own gain is outrageous my friend.

It's clear to see that your gripe with Simon is personal, for that reason, I believe you shouldn't be allowed to vote on the subject. Your comments make a mockery of the full intent of this thread and to suggest that you would rather see a member unbanned who 'ripped off' other members for his own gain is outrageous my friend.

 

Its a Committee vote Joely and if a member had bad trading sales years ago in your view you would not like to see him back even if that member has changed and matured?

Joel, I don't think Allan can vote mate, I think it's committee only.

I guess on the rippin people off thing... I'd just hope the person made good in the end

 

Its a Committee vote Joely and if a member had bad trading sales years ago in your view you would not like to see him back even if that member has changed and matured?

 

Joel' date=' I don't think Allan can vote mate, I think it's committee only.[/quote']

 

Apologies, I thought Allan was on the committee, oops!

 

I guess on the rippin people off thing... I'd just hope the person made good in the end

Agreed.

nope im a mod and yes after all the comments made about me from simon it is personal, i wont be voting and if the comittee decide to let him back then they have my full backing

 

i said i would ask about jim, but your right he ripped off members so its a big no, but then as jim he did a lot of good things for members and i was merely using him as an example, if we let simon back after an apology then we have to let everyone back if they apologise?

 

cant pick and choose, sorry if i didnt come across properly

Good post Alan. Personally I think it's a different matter leaving someone out of pocket to upsetting someone. I think if I was to offend someone then it's an apology that is required where as if I'd ripped someone off then I think making right by either sorting the goods or refund etc and an apology.

 

But then I guess you'd need to look at the ins and out of the sale and the circumstances. Maybe in that scenario, then the committee should review independently and perhaps if a committee member was involved in the specific deal (don't know what happened in jim's car) then that commuter member wouldn't be involved the vote, that way it stays impartial I guess.

 

And if in doubt I should make the final call lol

Hi all, I don't know any of the people being discussed as I am only just getting to make friends and know who everyone is. I believe there should be a trading ban if someone rips people off. Maybe allow them to try and make good, but don't let them trade on here until they have served at least a years ban. Maybe an arbitration panel? A group of long term members to look at disputes and impartially try to find a solution, something not linked to the committee, completely impartial?

They could recommend a course of action to the committee and the member?

 

If someone is abusive to the moderators and committee and shows a lack of respect for the guy's running the club and the people putting their time in moderating here for nothing then they should be banned. We are all here because we love our cars, have made friends, need help or want to offer advice and help. If you don't agree with someone, you agree to disagree. No point getting all personal and ruining it for everyone. That is why I believe a short term ban is appropriate, let the situation calm down and diffuse the situation.

If it is a disagreement with a moderator over an issue or something personal then that should be looked at impartially by the committee to make it objective and impersonal.

 

I have worked on another forum helping with free debt advice and witnessed a complete meltdown between the guys running the forum and over half the members, got very personal and very nasty. I left due to the atmosphere and joined a new forum without the back biting and nastiness. We had a laugh and things weren't taken seriously unless you stepped over the mark. I see this forum as being fair and listening to what the members want, or there wouldn't be this thread!

 

As long as the rules are the same for everyone and we are all treated the same then nobody can complain. If people have a problem with someone then just avoid them. Everyone I have spoken to has been funny, sarcastic and to the point. If I don't agree I may explain why, but that is when you agree to disagree and drop the subject.

 

I have not found ANYONE here that has been less than helpful, friendly and accommodating to other members.

 

Sorry..... just wanted some input and to point out the good things about everyone here....

Hi all, I don't know any of the people being discussed as I am only just getting to make friends and know who everyone is. I believe there should be a trading ban if someone rips people off. Maybe allow them to try and make good, but don't let them trade on here until they have served at least a years ban. Maybe an arbitration panel? A group of long term members to look at disputes and impartially try to find a solution, something not linked to the committee, completely impartial?

They could recommend a course of action to the committee and the member?

 

If someone is abusive to the moderators and committee and shows a lack of respect for the guy's running the club and the people putting their time in moderating here for nothing then they should be banned. We are all here because we love our cars, have made friends, need help or want to offer advice and help. If you don't agree with someone, you agree to disagree. No point getting all personal and ruining it for everyone. That is why I believe a short term ban is appropriate, let the situation calm down and diffuse the situation.

If it is a disagreement with a moderator over an issue or something personal then that should be looked at impartially by the committee to make it objective and impersonal.

 

I have worked on another forum helping with free debt advice and witnessed a complete meltdown between the guys running the forum and over half the members, got very personal and very nasty. I left due to the atmosphere and joined a new forum without the back biting and nastiness. We had a laugh and things weren't taken seriously unless you stepped over the mark. I see this forum as being fair and listening to what the members want, or there wouldn't be this thread!

 

As long as the rules are the same for everyone and we are all treated the same then nobody can complain. If people have a problem with someone then just avoid them. Everyone I have spoken to has been funny, sarcastic and to the point. If I don't agree I may explain why, but that is when you agree to disagree and drop the subject.

 

I have not found ANYONE here that has been less than helpful, friendly and accommodating to other members.

 

Sorry..... just wanted some input and to point out the good things about everyone here....

 

very nice post and very well put

 

people have to remember that we dont go banning for fun, its why we have many comittee and mods, its discussed and voted on and is a very last resort, first a three day then a full if needs be, its the rules that a 3 day banned person musnt re-register under a different name otherwise they will be banned indefinbatly, a lot do this and we still dont ban them even though we know

 

just a pity some people take things further, there is another forum and unfortunatly its like a soap box for the banned and a lot of name calling and insults result and make things worse which is a shame as it hinders any kind of appeal to our comittee and some say we should be partial but its very hard not to become personal when you read some of the comments

Hi all, I don't know any of the people being discussed as I am only just getting to make friends and know who everyone is. I believe there should be a trading ban if someone rips people off. Maybe allow them to try and make good, but don't let them trade on here until they have served at least a years ban. Maybe an arbitration panel? A group of long term members to look at disputes and impartially try to find a solution, something not linked to the committee, completely impartial?

They could recommend a course of action to the committee and the member?

 

If someone is abusive to the moderators and committee and shows a lack of respect for the guy's running the club and the people putting their time in moderating here for nothing then they should be banned. We are all here because we love our cars, have made friends, need help or want to offer advice and help. If you don't agree with someone, you agree to disagree. No point getting all personal and ruining it for everyone. That is why I believe a short term ban is appropriate, let the situation calm down and diffuse the situation.

If it is a disagreement with a moderator over an issue or something personal then that should be looked at impartially by the committee to make it objective and impersonal.

 

I have worked on another forum helping with free debt advice and witnessed a complete meltdown between the guys running the forum and over half the members, got very personal and very nasty. I left due to the atmosphere and joined a new forum without the back biting and nastiness. We had a laugh and things weren't taken seriously unless you stepped over the mark. I see this forum as being fair and listening to what the members want, or there wouldn't be this thread!

 

As long as the rules are the same for everyone and we are all treated the same then nobody can complain. If people have a problem with someone then just avoid them. Everyone I have spoken to has been funny, sarcastic and to the point. If I don't agree I may explain why, but that is when you agree to disagree and drop the subject.

 

I have not found ANYONE here that has been less than helpful, friendly and accommodating to other members.

 

Sorry..... just wanted some input and to point out the good things about everyone here....

 

Its posts like this that make all our work worthwhile :thumbup1: thanks mate.