If anyone wondered why we were reluctant to continue working with the Twinz over their body kit designs last year, the last update on the Z1 site is a clear indicator why, pre-orders started in November 2012 and only this month (April 2013) more than 4 months later is there any hope of customers seeing the product, given the HUGE market for z32 stuff in the US it just would not work in the UK on that basis, they need to commit to manufacturing a stock level without pre-orders, imaging ordering your food from Tesco`s whilst they....grow it! or TV from ASDA while it is been manufactured with a 50% upfront deposit I bet there is a few nervous buyers waiting to see if Z1 is about to call them.....or not.

 

Jeff TT

 

"Pre Order TwinZ Design Z32 Front Lip for JDM Fascia

 

The TwinZ Design Front Lip for JDM Fascia is now available for Pre Order!! Order now for the Pre Order price of $208.

 

 

This Pre Order period will last from 11-23 12 until 1-23-13 ( UPDATE ) 2-14-13. The items should then be arriving at Z1 around the 1st of April.

 

Choose from either of the designs below:"

 

Edited April 7, 201312 yr by JeffTT

whoops... not good for anyone who has pre-ordered!

whoops... not good for anyone who has pre-ordered!

 

This was my real worry when we were trying to negotiate with them, the products look really good, but too risky.

 

Jeff

I wouldn't worry too much, I'm sure someone will copy them and mass produce the parts far more reliably in the UK (albeit under a new name, probably 'Semtex' or 'Vulcan' or something equally as shit!) :biggrin:

Yup, and tbh they are going about it the right way. If you want someone to copy your stuff make it hard to get hold of and bloody expensive... job done, congratulations for a crap business model.

I hear what you're saying Jeff, but I managed to get a rear spoiler from their other supplier, (what are they called TwinChip?) without any delays. This was last year aswell.

Do you really have to make excuses after all this time of why you are not our dealer?? Come on, we were the ones who decided to stop working with you, not you, and you know the timing or anything was not the reason at all, but your lack of skills to offer the products or even read the mails to understand what we were offering to you. It was VERY stressfull to send you a lot of mails and wait WEEKS for a simple reply and then find out that you didn't read the whole mail and just the first line, and your replies were poor on content to even know what was going on until we saw that you started offering something on the forums that was totally wrong...We were like WHAT? Is this guy really doing a business or it's just a game for him?

 

Sorry to the members, we don't like to get into this kind of conversations in public, but reading this from Jeff is just so sad and have a bad intention...We made to Sascha of Twinchip (in Germany) the exactly same offer as we did to you and he got the products 10 MONTHS ago, since working with you was a complete fail and a waste of time...he got the products on time, with a clean transaction, he even sold a few units in the UK with the great service he always offers, he read the complete mails we sent and it was a pleasure to deal with...Sadly, he's not in the UK, so we could have a lot of happy customers here sporting our products on their cars, but he still offers the products here for those looking to get them even with the higher shipping costs involved.

 

Offering a pre-order helps to our dealers to finance part of the shipment and that's totally understandable...we know the economy in the world is a big issue for someone taking high risks just like that, but sadly the bad part of all this "pre-order process" is that the final customers get involved in all the waiting on the production process, shipment process, etc. and that's not the ideal scenario...A good scenario would be where the products are offered once everything is done and ready...but sadly that's not easy to do by any dealer.

 

BTW, Z1 Motorsports already got the shipment a few days ago as it was planned and as they informed to all the customers since the begining (the order was HUGE) and right now we are sending a batch to Australia too...In this kind of business you have a lead time to get the products and you inform your customers about it, so there's nothing new about it...People understand that and know that the production process and shipment takes time and we are not copying someone elses work, we are creators and innovator and we are working enormously to bring news and excitement to all the Z32 owners to help keeping the passion alive.

...People understand that and know that the production process and shipment takes time and we are not copying someone elses work, we are creators and innovator and we are working enormously to bring news and excitement to all the Z32 owners to help keeping the passion alive.

 

Indeed, and it looks like it was worth the wait. I'm not into bodykits and the like, but I can appreciate them, and that white Zed looks stunning :)

Do you really have to make excuses after all this time of why you are not our dealer??

 

No excuses to be made just observations of a decision well made by us.

 

Come on, we were the ones who decided to stop working with you, not you, and you know the timing or anything was not the reason at all, but your lack of skills to offer the products or even read the mails to understand what we were offering to you.

Your deal / arrangement was not clear and certainly not workable in the UK market

 

It was VERY stressfull to send you a lot of mails and wait WEEKS for a simple reply and then find out that you didn't read the whole mail and just the first line, and your replies were poor on content to even know what was going on until we saw that you started offering something on the forums that was totally wrong...

 

If you want less stress find a better way to do business

 

We were like WHAT? Is this guy really doing a business or it's just a game for him?

 

We have been in business in the UK 300zx scene for close on 14 years and best placed to know how it works

 

Offering a pre-order helps to our dealers to finance part of the shipment and that's totally understandable...we know the economy in the world is a big issue for someone taking high risks just like that, but sadly the bad part of all this "pre-order process" is that the final customers get involved in all the waiting on the production process, shipment process, etc. and that's not the ideal scenario...A good scenario would be where the products are offered once everything is done and ready...but sadly that's not easy to do by any dealer.

 

The dealer should NOT be part of the financing package (RISK) you the manufacturer should be.

 

 

BTW, Z1 Motorsports already got the shipment a few days ago as it was planned and as they informed to all the customers since the begining (the order was HUGE)

 

Good news on two counts one for the customers getting your very good products and two you can now can now re-invest your profit from the HUGE order in to manufacturing your products without taking further deposits.

 

we are not copying someone elses work, we are creators and innovator and we are working enormously to bring news and excitement to all the Z32 owners to help keeping the passion alive.

 

This was never in doubt, your products are liked by all who see them, for me your business model is the issue, without enough finance to manufacture yourself you are using customers pre-order cash to support your business and thats a risk, with a small market in the UK it cannot work as the order numbers could not be generated here, my post was to simply highlight this as in the Z1 order with the market there been so much bigger than here it still took too long

 

 

Jeff TT

If the business model did rely on pre-orders to get the initial profit to finance further manufacturing, and it works, I don't see a problem with that. There is enough demand (maybe not in the UK, but worldwide) to support this model, which has been proven by the first pre-order, a growing reputation for the quality of the products and a huge success in the second pre-order.

 

It may not be the typical corporate ethic when it comes to business but I would rather pay and wait for a product that I really want than it not be made at all because its too costly to manufacture. I am biased as I have purchased TwinZ products and look forward to further developments, one of which I'm already waiting to purchase, but I don't believe that the negative press around a method to make these products accessible for joe public around the world is deserved.

I don't believe that Jeff would get enough preorders from within the UK to make it a worthwhile business opportunity so I do understand why he didn't take the plunge. However, the recent Australian pre-order was done on the pretence that if the minimum order was not achieved that everyone would get their money back and the deal would be off. I don't know the ins and outs of the deal but I don't recall seeing a thread on here to scope out the interest in the UK.

I don't believe that Jeff would get enough preorders from within the UK to make it a worthwhile business opportunity so I do understand why he didn't take the plunge. However, the recent Australian pre-order was done on the pretence that if the minimum order was not achieved that everyone would get their money back and the deal would be off. I don't know the ins and outs of the deal but I don't recall seeing a thread on here to scope out the interest in the UK.

 

There was, there has been a few attempts to get the product into the UK, but the large orders involved is not realistic for our small market. also the costs involved put a lot of people off, which further reduced the number of orders.

JeffTT, I would really love to show all the emails we have archived with our attemps to get a normal communication, warning you that you weren't using the right price for the product and when we stoped the whole situation before you started charging people and make a total mess that will have put our name and yours in a very bad position...actually, you should thanks us for avoiding a huge problem with the UK community.

 

We have worked the exact same way in the US, Australia (very similar and maybe smaller market than the UK), Germany (Europe) and they all have worked perfectly! You were our only problem and we didn't know how to go there just to tell you to please read the whole mail and try to understand the information there before jumping into making a wrong advertisement...it wasn't about you knowing the UK market or not, it was about you doing stuff that was completely out of a previous agreement!

 

Did you know that the 2 months that the pre-order usually takes (in the US, Australia or Europe), we don't get a single dollar and we are giving full production out of our own money? Well, that also proves us that you didn't read that part on our emails. Also, we send extra products as a consigment, just so our dealer have a bigger stock of products for future sales and that's another investment we do in all our shipments to satisfy most if not all of our future customers.

 

We had high hopes in working with you as our exclusive dealer in the UK, but sadly it was a totally frustrated effort that made us lose time, money and gave customers a bad experience with us.

Ok so not withstanding all that, you have no uk distributor. Thats bad for us and bad for you. The market is here but no distributor, what do you plan to do? I think there is no parts distributor within the uk that can hold the order levels youd want, this means no buisness can takr you on. So either address this or sell direct at retail price. Shipping stuff in from the europeon mainland or us just puts your product into too higher price bracket for most owners.

JeffTT, I would really love to show all the emails we have archived with our attemps to get a normal communication, warning you that you weren't using the right price for the product and when

 

we stoped the whole situation before you started charging people and make a total mess

No we stopped it.

 

that will have put our name and yours in a very bad position...actually, you should thanks us for avoiding a huge problem with the UK community.

 

The miscommunication between was a two way issue that as you mention did became frustrating but from both sides, we were never at the go point to take cash deposits due to in part the miscommunication and the order structure you have in place.

 

We have worked the exact same way in the US, Australia (very similar and maybe smaller market than the UK), Germany (Europe) and they all have worked perfectly!

 

For this I am very pleased for you and your customers.

 

You were our only problem and we didn't know how to go there just to tell you to please read the whole mail and try to understand the information there before jumping into making a wrong advertisement...it wasn't about you knowing the UK market or not, it was about you doing stuff that was completely out of a previous agreement!

 

Order levels for the diffussers were growing and you could see this but when we understood that we had to have orders for the whole range at the same time it became unworkable

 

Did you know that the 2 months that the pre-order usually takes (in the US, Australia or Europe), we don't get a single dollar and we are giving full production out of our own money?

 

So why take deposits?

 

Well, that also proves us that you didn't read that part on our emails. Also, we send extra products as a consigment, just so our dealer have a bigger stock of products for future sales and that's another investment we do in all our shipments to satisfy most if not all of our future customers.

 

Dealers. suppliers prefer to not carry too much stock its the manufactures responsibility to hold it.

 

 

We had high hopes in working with you as our exclusive dealer in the UK, but sadly it was a totally frustrated effort that made us lose time, money and gave customers a bad experience with us.

 

Jinx...Same here.

 

 

The reason for the original post was there has been a few enquiries about why the products were not sold here not to make any bad press for your product, you are doing that yourelf, its a real shame your products cannot be made available direct from yourself to retail customer.

We are going to leave it there...I think people can get their own conclusions out of this.

Ok so not withstanding all that, you have no uk distributor. Thats bad for us and bad for you. The market is here but no distributor, what do you plan to do? I think there is no parts distributor within the uk that can hold the order levels youd want, this means no buisness can takr you on. So either address this or sell direct at retail price. Shipping stuff in from the europeon mainland or us just puts your product into too higher price bracket for most owners.

 

 

We're willing to continue looking for a way to make possible for the UK Z community to get our products.

 

We already have Twinchip as our dealer for Europe including the UK, so it's just a matter of finding a way to get the shipping costs more accesible for most people in the UK. We'll keep everyone updated.

 

Thanks.

Would it not make more economic sense to have a reputable company produce your parts in the UK under a licence agreement, thereby reducing lead times and associated shipping costs?

Shame really. I really want that front lip and the diffuser. :-(

We're willing to continue looking for a way to make possible for the UK Z community to get our products.

 

We already have Twinchip as our dealer for Europe including the UK, so it's just a matter of finding a way to get the shipping costs more accesible for most people in the UK. We'll keep everyone updated.

 

Thanks.

 

good we as a community want the parts, we don't want to pay through the nose because they have to be imported from the other side of the world individually, the current situation is no use to you or us and a solution needs to be found.

Would it not make more economic sense to have a reputable company produce your parts in the UK under a licence agreement, thereby reducing lead times and associated shipping costs?

 

We could do that, but we've seen other aeropart brands work and the quality lets a lot to be desired, so we can not trust our Brand name and the recognition we've won for our products and quality to anyone.

 

Also, it's been impossible to find a good dealer here, so finding a good FRP part manufacturer and work a good deal with them would be even harder.

 

Z32bolt just made a thread about the lack of product availability in the Z32 UK community compared to other countries: http://www.300zx.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?168915-What-the-hell-is-with-the-parts-market-for-the-z32

 

For us as these suppliers of Z32 parts, the problem is evident from our experience trying to work something out for the UK market...keep in mind that Austalia has a similar market size to the UK and we just closed our 2nd shipment to that country and this shipment being almost double in volumen over the 1st one.

It will prove very difficult to sell your kit to the UK market that have very small numbers and can not afford the prices involved. If you were a trader here selling direct on a group buy on rock bottom prices it would still struggle to get the numbers needed.Plus any members that could afford it have already bought through the European dealer.

You need a factory in Europe or the UK to succeed on this side of the pond in my opinion.

Personally the Products are way over priced for what they are even tho there nice

 

cost from twin-chips

£740 Quid for the rear Bumper-Defuser

£410 Quid for the Defuser

We have a top FRP guy here on the forum CarMad, whose quality is superb, but it would depend on your stipulations and conditions to make it a viable proposition. He could make a sample of one of your products for your inspection, then you can decide from there.

As stated in previous threads, your product quality has never been in doubt and i know after reading many threads that the community is pretty much together on the opinion, now its availability and a workable price in the UK.

 

By the way i had an email from Twinchip recently, initially promoting the Twinz products, but alas had no reply from my email back to them, i guess if we dont allow them cartblanche on making all of their Twinchip products available for sale, then they are not interested.

Personally the Products are way over priced for what they are even tho there nice

 

cost from twin-chips

£740 Quid for the rear Bumper-Defuser

£410 Quid for the Defuser

 

£2~300 for a quality priduct would be fine, £400 is too much, its half a months salary for many after tax.

I wouldn't mind making a few up they look really simple to make and take no time at all to knock them up

 

, the only problem is the twins as an investment would have to supply me with the moulds which would cost a few quid to make up, but then they would have to trust me to do this sort of deal and not wrip them off like z center did.