Have got one of my reversing lights converted to a rear foglight with a red bulb and the problem is despite fitting a mirror polished reflector into the bulb housing it still looks a bit wishy-washy and not very bright.

 

Has anyone got a red led bulb fitted, and if so are they a lot brighter?????

a couple of things can be done... one is to get an LED insert from Zedwizz ....

 

I have converted both sides of the reverse light to have half reverse and half fog... but you need to use the correct bulb so that it's bright enough.

i.e. red break light bulb rather than tail light bulb...

I used LED ones... looks good but the inserts are easier ....

Make sure it's a single filament bulb, not double.

I wouldn't of thought a LED bulb will be brighter than your red 21w filament bulb, as long as it satisfied for the MOT I wouldn't worry about it.

 

I had the same as you and just for the one day I had a working fog light, just spaded with wires coming from the cabin switch, then went back to both chambers as reverse.

 

I now have the complete reverse and fog led's from Zedwizz.

 

My friends worked well the other day, when the fog lights were on, this took over the outer bulbs on both sides of the rear lights, brakes and tail then worked as normal on the inner ones.

With no fog lights on, all tail and all four brake lights lit up as stock :yes:

I wouldn't of thought a LED bulb will be brighter than your red 21w filament bulb, as long as it satisfied for the MOT I wouldn't worry about it.

 

I had the same as you and just for the one day I had a working fog light, just spaded with wires coming from the cabin switch, then went back to both chambers as reverse.

 

I now have the complete reverse and fog led's from Zedwizz.

 

My friends worked well the other day, when the fog lights were on, this took over the outer bulbs on both sides of the rear lights, brakes and tail then worked as normal on the inner ones.

With no fog lights on, all tail and all four brake lights lit up as stock :yes:

Ah, I didn't notice he posted that he was using a 21W bulb.... if that is the case then as you say it should be bright enough.

 

and as we both agree the Zedwizz inserts are the business, for a round a tenner each you really can't go wrong.. :)

My friends worked well the other day, when the fog lights were on, this took over the outer bulbs on both sides of the rear lights, brakes and tail then worked as normal on the inner ones.

With no fog lights on, all tail and all four brake lights lit up as stock :yes:

 

bit of bad news for this set up.... I found these regs for both EU & the UK...

 

EU regs..

 

To provide some safeguard against rear fog lamps being confused with stop lamps, ECE R48 requires a separation of at least 10 cm between the closest illuminated edges of any stop lamp and any rear fog lamp.

 

Uk regs…

 

10. Electrical connections:

No rear fog lamp shall be fitted to any vehicle so that it can be illuminated by the application of any braking system on the vehicle

 

2. Position–

(d) Minimum separation distance between a rear fog lamp and a stop lamp– A distance of 100 mm between the light-emitting surfaces of the lamps when viewed in a direction parallel to the longitudinal axis of the vehicle

(i) In the case of a rear fog lamp which does not share a common lamp body with a stop lamp: 100 mm

 

 

so you could do it if you want BUT any cop could get you for it and the MOT tester could also fail it.

Have got one of my reversing lights converted to a rear foglight with a red bulb and the problem is despite fitting a mirror polished reflector into the bulb housing it still looks a bit wishy-washy and not very bright.

 

Has anyone got a red led bulb fitted, and if so are they a lot brighter?????

 

there was a fella on ebay making l.e.d fogs i fitted a set in my old z worked well

LOL... yeah that is Zedwizz

 

this is his shop....

 

http://www.autoresto.co.uk/fog_led_300zx.html

Cheers for the replies guys, I think i'll try an led bulb and see what its like. :)

Cheers for the replies guys, I think i'll try an led bulb and see what its like. :)

 

Richard i have some led bulbs at my unit if you want them ill be there around 12.30.:turned:

Richard i have some led bulbs at my unit if you want them ill be there around 12.30.:turned:

 

morning matey :) , have got stuff on today but will call down in the week.have a look at my re-covered trim panel thread and see what you think ;)

bit of bad news for this set up.... I found these regs for both EU & the UK...

EU regs..

To provide some safeguard against rear fog lamps being confused with stop lamps, ECE R48 requires a separation of at least 10 cm between the closest illuminated edges of any stop lamp and any rear fog lamp.

 

Uk regs..

10. Electrical connections:

No rear fog lamp shall be fitted to any vehicle so that it can be illuminated by the application of any braking system on the vehicle

2. Position–

(d) Minimum separation distance between a rear fog lamp and a stop lamp– A distance of 100 mm between the light-emitting surfaces of the lamps when viewed in a direction parallel to the longitudinal axis of the vehicle

(i) In the case of a rear fog lamp which does not share a common lamp body with a stop lamp: 100 mm

 

Yes reading through the above it does make his set up a MOT fail.

Very interesting I will have to tell my friend.

 

The LED Zedwizz ones were £12.50 a corner the last I looked so a bit of an outlay but in my humble opinion the best way :cool3:

Here are mine fit well over a year ago, but prepare yourself for blurry vision but you get the idea:

 

The fog lights on the top

 

The reverse on the bottom

bit of bad news for this set up.... I found these regs for both EU & the UK...

 

EU regs..

 

To provide some safeguard against rear fog lamps being confused with stop lamps, ECE R48 requires a separation of at least 10 cm between the closest illuminated edges of any stop lamp and any rear fog lamp.

 

Uk regs…

 

10. Electrical connections:

No rear fog lamp shall be fitted to any vehicle so that it can be illuminated by the application of any braking system on the vehicle

 

2. Position–

(d) Minimum separation distance between a rear fog lamp and a stop lamp– A distance of 100 mm between the light-emitting surfaces of the lamps when viewed in a direction parallel to the longitudinal axis of the vehicle

(i) In the case of a rear fog lamp which does not share a common lamp body with a stop lamp: 100 mm

 

 

so you could do it if you want BUT any cop could get you for it and the MOT tester could also fail it.

 

Hmmmm, that means that the zedwizz setup (which I have) 'technically' could be an MOT failure, as they are not 100mm away from the brake light...

Hmmmm, that means that the zedwizz setup (which I have) 'technically' could be an MOT failure, as they are not 100mm away from the brake light...

 

That could be very true but our brake light area is vast and so for the one day we could black tape/mask the inner part of the lens to make the gap 100mm :thumbup1:

 

Of course once through the test we can remove said masking but this will not stop a really really picky traffic cop pulling us in for a roadside little chat :surrender:

as in take the light assembly apart? CBA doing that, could just take each inside stop/tail bulb out? Mines in for MOT this week, I'll let you know how it goes :) Easy enough to wire up a temporary one under the car for one day tho...

so if my fog light shares the same light unit as the brake light then it can be closer than 100mm but if it is in a different lamp unit it has to be 100mm away from the brake light. this means that my set up is legal. lmao. even though it is the most stupid set up ever i am actually better than you lot:rofl:

 

Dunno actually mate, think it's 100mm anyways, in that case you'll have the most stupid, and illeagal setup ever, that's doubley pants, haha.... :)

it was this part that made me think of it

 

(i) In the case of a rear fog lamp which does not share a common lamp body with a stop lamp: 100 mm

 

makes me think that if you have the fog light in the same as the brake light then its ok. but if not then it needs to be 100mm away. but i am a little drunk so probably just me. lol

 

Hi, but doesn't this part blow your theory?

 

10. Electrical connections:

No rear fog lamp shall be fitted to any vehicle so that it can be illuminated by the application of any braking system on the vehicle

 

or do you only have one break light bulb in each light?

as in take the light assembly apart? CBA doing that, could just take each inside stop/tail bulb out? Mines in for MOT this week, I'll let you know how it goes :) Easy enough to wire up a temporary one under the car for one day tho...

 

No, not take it apart, just crudely apply black insulation tape on the outside anywhere you like to make the lense gaps 100mm, as long as the examiner is happy who cares, have some ready in your pocket, then just rip it off when you get home

Now hang on a minute. This has me confused

 

Are you saying it has to be 100mm away if in the same light unit, or was the MOT tester feeding you rubbish and just trying to find excuses to fail an import Z.

 

There wouldnt be a single gen 6 celica on the road if you couldnt have the fog light in the same unit as the reversing, brake lights etc.

 

This is fogs, brakes and everything on. The brake like virtually are the fog lights in the main 'normal' light unit.

 

I need to wire up my own Z fogs soon too

 

I think youll guess I recommend LED's all the way :)

 

Edited October 31, 201114 yr by Mrs HollowPoint

or was the MOT tester feeding you rubbish and just trying to find excuses to fail an import Z.

 

there currently isn't any tester involved.... these are the regs...

 

So as you point out you can get away with stuff if the inspector gives it the OK.. BUT .... I was just pointing out what the regulations are...

 

My take on it is do as much as you can to get as close to regs as possible to avoid disappointment... lol...

Edited October 31, 201114 yr by Medallion Man

2. Position–

(d) Minimum separation distance between a rear fog lamp and a stop lamp– A distance of 100 mm between the light-emitting surfaces of the lamps when viewed in a direction parallel to the longitudinal axis of the vehicle

(i) In the case of a rear fog lamp which does not share a common lamp body with a stop lamp: 100 mm

 

My Zedwizz LED set up fogs are 32mm away from the stop lamp surface, a bit anal to be pulled aside for this but eh we get this a lot in life nowadays :sad:

 

As long as I know that a bit of tape will easily increase the gap whenever up to 100mm then I sleep comfortably :yes:

there currently isn't any tester involved.... these are the regs...

 

So as you point out you can get away with stuff if the inspector gives it the OK.. BUT .... I was just pointing out what the regulations are...

 

My take on it is do as much as you can to get as close to regs as possible to avoid disappointment... lol...

 

I hear that, safe rather than sorry which is why am interested and trying to wrap my head around it. Thankfully, I dont think theres anything against having too many fogs and brakes, or is there now. Giving the car behind me some sunburn had it's advantages.... they backed off :)

LOL... no, you are right.... you can have as many as you like.... :)

I popped her over to the MOT guys across from us earlier, and he said mine is spot on, no probs...

My Zedwizz LED set up fogs are 32mm away from the stop lamp surface, a bit anal to be pulled aside for this but eh we get this a lot in life nowadays :sad:

 

As long as I know that a bit of tape will easily increase the gap whenever up to 100mm then I sleep comfortably :yes:

 

I believe that it's bulb to bulb, not necessarily the visible lens area.