is the auto slower at acceleration?, also is there much more of an advantage with the manual, i have a jap with power hold etc, works lovely with power on and overdrive off!, i occasionaly use the 1st and second gear on the box manually is this ok, ie when say if i want to give it some i occasionaly just whck it in 2nd from drive is this ok or will it give it damage?, cheers

Straight line you wont really see any difference in the real world.

 

Round the twistys and manual should be better as you know you not gonna go gear jumping so can hold the power better.

 

If changing gear manualy on the auto box was bad they wouldnt have the option to let you do it ;)

ahh i didnt know if like 1 and 2 for was use in the snow it seems fine just dont wanna reck my box!

Auto doesn't drop the boost whereas as manual will between gears, down at santa pod the best times are cars with auto/semi-auto gearboxes.

 

In my experience there's nothing to it in real life because my NA beats them :rofl:

I think, but by only a midgets d1ck, the auto is 'slightly' faster to 100, but as said, the real difference is in the twisties, as you can select what gear you want when you want it... I'm sure Yowser will pop up with evrything you need to know soon, the mans a wealth of knowledge and numbers! :)

Autos are about 1 sec to 60 slower acording to the nissan manual.

 

Ive had a blast against a few autos now and i always have the edge when we were stock for stock

manual for me every time. Auto's are for lazy people :lol: plus you cant dip the clutch half way through a bend and drift round the corner!

 

You know its a good car when the side window is bigger than the windscreen! lol

Don't autos have a slightly higher potential top speed in 3rd gear?

i was planning on converting to manual, but im in no rush... the auto does everything i want and is great fun if you have the balls to really commit

I had an auto about 2 months ago and I got it converted and it's too much fun to pass up. The auto is fast but it dulls the feeling of it out, just my opinion anyway. Also as the autos have smaller turbos they spool up earlier but lack top end power compared to manual turbos.

I had an auto about 2 months ago and I got it converted and it's too much fun to pass up. The auto is fast but it dulls the feeling of it out, just my opinion anyway. Also as the autos have smaller turbos they spool up earlier but lack top end power compared to manual turbos.

 

i was wondering about that.... when you do the conversion is there still a noticeable difference between a converted auto/manual and a factory manual due to the turbos ?

My first one was an auto, I found the box fairly poor to be honest. It worked fine just very wide gear ratios etc which didnt make driving it as good as it could have been. I found it wouldnt changed down when you needed it yet was insistant on changing down at times when it really didnt need to!

 

I had it converted and found the converted car with auto turbos was quicker and smoother to come on boost but not so much at the top end, my genuine manual seems to have a touch of lag, but barely noticable.

 

The 1 and 2 positions on the auto selector are not to change gear as such, they are simply to limit the ratios available to the car. For example if your coming down a steep grade, and dont want to cook the brakes assuming the speed isnt to great you could put the car into 2, which would force the car into second in order to provide engine braking. (in D with the overdrive OFF would give you 1st 2nd and 3rd etc)

 

Forcing the car into "1" at 100mph wouldnt be to brilliant for the box, think of it as engaging first in a manual at similar speed..

 

Someone mentioned speeds with the auto box,

 

IIRC it was around 50mph in first, 85/90 in second and 130/135 in third or something silly!

Personally having never driven an Auto Z until Sunday, when we finally got back from Glasgow and I managed to pry the keys from Roses hands, I wouldn't drive one regularly if you paid me. The difference between my manual and the auto is substantial, waiting for gears to change if you do it manually, the amount of lag in the kick down, the constant waiting for it to change gear when it should, and then it not doing until much later, or as someone else said, much sooner in some cases, just bleh! Manual all the way. I've had a few autos and tiptronics and they just never feel right to me, I have no clue why on earth they would put an auto box in something so good. It ruins twisty roads and in my opinion feels looser and less brutal in a straight line.

 

As for the speeds at Santa Pod etc, you won't find much that's quicker than RK Tuning or Sumo Powers GTRs, and they're both manual, the only autos that REALLY perform at 1/4 mile have uprated boxes. I was just talking to Johnny yesterday, he said he literally stripped 4 gearboxes in a row because his engine was too uprated for the boxes, then he changed to a manual and the engine went pop instead :D That alone says a lot!

 

As someone else said, I'm sure Yowser will pop in with the official figures and what not, but for driving quality and experience, the auto to me just feels, well, "yucky" to be honest. In a straight line though, on good tarmac, stock for stock, and with a driver that isn't afraid of the torque converter, the auto is probably just slightly faster, but I would guess marginally, not seconds, but tenths or hundredths of a second. Once you come to the first bend though, and you're hard on the brakes while the manual is dropping down a gear or two instead, ready to floor it smoothly out of the corner, it becomes a completely different ball game, by a LONG way.

Personally having never driven an Auto Z until Sunday, when we finally got back from Glasgow and I managed to pry the keys from Roses hands, I wouldn't drive one regularly if you paid me. The difference between my manual and the auto is substantial, waiting for gears to change if you do it manually, the amount of lag in the kick down, the constant waiting for it to change gear when it should, and then it not doing until much later, or as someone else said, much sooner in some cases, just bleh! Manual all the way. I've had a few autos and tiptronics and they just never feel right to me, I have no clue why on earth they would put an auto box in something so good. It ruins twisty roads and in my opinion feels looser and less brutal in a straight line.

 

As for the speeds at Santa Pod etc, you won't find much that's quicker than RK Tuning or Sumo Powers GTRs, and they're both manual, the only autos that REALLY perform at 1/4 mile have uprated boxes. I was just talking to Johnny yesterday, he said he literally stripped 4 gearboxes in a row because his engine was too uprated for the boxes, then he changed to a manual and the engine went pop instead :D That alone says a lot!

 

As someone else said, I'm sure Yowser will pop in with the official figures and what not, but for driving quality and experience, the auto to me just feels, well, "yucky" to be honest. In a straight line though, on good tarmac, stock for stock, and with a driver that isn't afraid of the torque converter, the auto is probably just slightly faster, but I would guess marginally, not seconds, but tenths or hundredths of a second. Once you come to the first bend though, and you're hard on the brakes while the manual is dropping down a gear or two instead, ready to floor it smoothly out of the corner, it becomes a completely different ball game, by a LONG way.

 

I think it's the Americans that make auto's so popular because they can't handle "stick shifts".

I think, but by only a midgets d1ck, the auto is 'slightly' faster to 100, but as said, the real difference is in the twisties, as you can select what gear you want when you want it... I'm sure Yowser will pop up with evrything you need to know soon, the mans a wealth of knowledge and numbers! :)

 

Personally having never driven an Auto Z until Sunday, when we finally got back from Glasgow and I managed to pry the keys from Roses hands, I wouldn't drive one regularly if you paid me. The difference between my manual and the auto is substantial, waiting for gears to change if you do it manually, the amount of lag in the kick down, the constant waiting for it to change gear when it should, and then it not doing until much later, or as someone else said, much sooner in some cases, just bleh! Manual all the way. I've had a few autos and tiptronics and they just never feel right to me, I have no clue why on earth they would put an auto box in something so good. It ruins twisty roads and in my opinion feels looser and less brutal in a straight line.

 

As for the speeds at Santa Pod etc, you won't find much that's quicker than RK Tuning or Sumo Powers GTRs, and they're both manual, the only autos that REALLY perform at 1/4 mile have uprated boxes. I was just talking to Johnny yesterday, he said he literally stripped 4 gearboxes in a row because his engine was too uprated for the boxes, then he changed to a manual and the engine went pop instead :D That alone says a lot!

 

As someone else said, I'm sure Yowser will pop in with the official figures and what not, but for driving quality and experience, the auto to me just feels, well, "yucky" to be honest. In a straight line though, on good tarmac, stock for stock, and with a driver that isn't afraid of the torque converter, the auto is probably just slightly faster, but I would guess marginally, not seconds, but tenths or hundredths of a second. Once you come to the first bend though, and you're hard on the brakes while the manual is dropping down a gear or two instead, ready to floor it smoothly out of the corner, it becomes a completely different ball game, by a LONG way.

 

Sorry Fellas, Yowser says he doesnt want to get involved. But Auto turbos spool the tinyest big quicker, but they are smaller turbos than the Manual turbos.

Yowser doesn't want to state facts and figures in a largely opinion based thread? What is the world coming to :D

 

I'm only joking Yowser, you're info is sorely needed around here, people like me make far too many assumptions and you've enlightened me more times than I care to remember now, the right information really gives you/us/me a proper insight into wtf we're doing.

i keep reading all this and for me personalyy i dont agree.. i have always been a manual guy and will convert to manual at some point, but all this talk about the auto box on corners etc is a load of rubbish to me, personally i think the people saying it probebly dont have the confidence/balls to fully commit....once you do then youll see the auto box IF DRIVEN CORRECTLY is an awesome piece of kit. i can drive the auto every bit as hard as the manual with no probs, and it will hold a very impressive drift (i know some on here are not into that ...but i am). have confidence in ur driving and push the limit and you will be surprised at what you can do in the auto. its the only auto box in history i actually like

i keep reading all this and for me personalyy i dont agree.. i have always been a manual guy and will convert to manual at some point, but all this talk about the auto box on corners etc is a load of rubbish to me, personally i think the people saying it probebly dont have the confidence/balls to fully commit....once you do then youll see the auto box IF DRIVEN CORRECTLY is an awesome piece of kit. i can drive the auto every bit as hard as the manual with no probs, and it will hold a very impressive drift (i know some on here are not into that ...but i am). have confidence in ur driving and push the limit and you will be surprised at what you can do in the auto. its the only auto box in history i actually like

 

I liked my MkIII Supra Auto quite a bit, but that had much faster gear changes on the manual selections than the Z does, very responsive box. Sorry, but taking off in my manual seems SO much faster and more brutal than the auto does. I gave it a bit of stick when I drove it on Sunday, used 1 and 2 as well as D and yeah it shifts, but I just wasn't feeling it.

 

As for corners, I drive like I'm on the track at all times when it comes to gearing. My driving instructor was very adament I should learn gear and clutch control to a huge extent, he went well above and beyond what was needed for the test, was his pet thing, must be in the right gear at the right time, etc. Thanks to his teaching, I managed to drive my MkIII Capri 2.8 for over a year with no speedo and know almost exactly what speed I was doing at all times, just by the sound of the engine and the revs in whatever gear and yes even without other cars even being on the road.

 

I guess maybe I don't fully commit in corners in the auto, because it just doesn't feel safe to do so, you cannot have full control of the car when the auto box is making the decisions, that's only my humble opinion though of course, I'm aware many even prefer the auto, let alone don't mind them.

hold button is ur friend in those situations

yea it dosent seem as harsh on take off....but u just need to look at what "was" behind you to realise yea its smooth but you are flying

is the auto slower at acceleration?, also is there much more of an advantage with the manual

 

It better be... because its a bit late for mine now!!

Edited June 22, 201114 yr by Mrs HollowPoint
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hold button is ur friend in those situations

yea it dosent seem as harsh on take off....but u just need to look at what "was" behind you to realise yea its smooth but you are flying

 

Whats the hold button for really?, i only use the power?

say u want to enter a corner but want it to stay in the same gear/not shift up....press hold

It seems my dislike for Auto equipped Z's preceeds me:blink:

Yowser doesn't want to state facts and figures in a largely opinion based thread? What is the world coming to :D

How is "is an auto TT slower than a manual" an opinion based thread? sure, everyone can have an opinion - but it will either be right or wrong :rofl:

Edited June 22, 201114 yr by Yowser

Whats the hold button for really?, i only use the power?

 

say u want to enter a corner but want it to stay in the same gear/not shift up....press hold

 

Hold makes the car move of in 2nd from rest, its similar to a "snow mode" or it was on my auto... it also made it change gear earlier thus making it slower... but alot safer for people not used to the cars performance. Power should make the car hold onto gears

 

 

It seems that people didnt read my earlier post about moving the stick into the 1, 2 positions. It does not change gear, it simply limits the gears available to the car. Although I admit that if your doing 60mph and put it into"2" it will change down into second, but if you are doing 10mph in first it wont go into second....

It seems that people didnt read my earlier post about moving the stick into the 1, 2 positions. It does not change gear, it simply limits the gears available to the car. Although I admit that if your doing 60mph and put it into"2" it will change down into second, but if you are doing 10mph in first it wont go into second....

 

yes that is correct!

On paper there is supposed to be a big difference; but when driving there probably is not much in it at all.

 

The manuals feel faster - and more furious; but the autos are deceptively quick as power is delivered differently.

 

Let's not forget either that 20 years use with a twin turbo V6 pushing hard on it, will no doubt have taken its toll on the auto box's internals. So I'd guess that quite a few auto boxes are not performing to their best anymore.....

 

I drove both before buying my first ZX and, whilst I do prefer the manual, I don't actually mind the auto. Hence I have been happy with the 2 autos I have owned. But when the 'box eventually gives up in my blue one it won't be rebuilt - it will be off to Jeff's for a manual conversion:winkiss:

 

All just in my humble opinion of course.......:whistling:

 

Richard:cool3: