i did and guess what it ate me alive, im sure had we both taken off at teh same time rather than him shooting offa nd me trying to catch up it may well of been slightly coler run, but damn they move! i do however think from that little experiment that a lightly modded 300 running around the 380 bhp range could keep up if not over take in a straight line, as although i never gained on him i also didnt disappear into the rear veiw mirror. quite surpruised how well an 21 year old auto kept up with a 50k supercar. he still had me though, obviously this was a lovely track session, and much more fun was had. :D

I love it when people cite wikipedia as absolute confirmation of what they've said. Just so you know, the wikipedia page doesn't even mention the original racing car, created purely for racing, which bore the skyline name, it's where the car came from, there wasn't a road car before that.

 

Just for clarity, since we're into citing wikipedia and getting pedantic, my comment about the GTR being the base model, was only with regard to the R32 onwards. As I said, the GTR was created first, to compete on the track, ALL of the other R32 Skylines were derivatives of the GTR, this also applied to the R33 and R34 chassis Skylines, GTR first, other models later. If it was the other way around, then the 2.6litre straight six twin turbo model was created for a 4 door family saloon? Don't think so.

 

To be fair most car firms do make bog standard crap first then dish out the big engined goodies after, so you cant blame anybody for thinking that?.

To be fair most car firms do make bog standard crap first then dish out the big engined goodies after, so you cant blame anybody for thinking that?.

 

Very true, but there are certain cars, the GTR being one of them, where they're made primarily for racing, the road car is either an afterthought or a completely different route to go down. In particular touring car racing REQUIRES a road car to exist. These particular cars tend to be the ones that win as well, cars which are re-developed and "souped up" from road cars for racing, don't do half as well as the cars developed purely for racing, then handed off to another design/development team to make the road car.

So today I have learned that HollowPoint is totally delusional and hasn't got a ****ing clue.

So today I have learned that HollowPoint is totally delusional and hasn't got a ****ing clue.

 

No need for that Clarkey no need at all:nono: its an open discussion and all views are welcome but personal attacks are not welcome or tolerated. An appology to HollowPoint would go far to make things right.

Hollowpoint:

 

The R32 GTR was developed with winning the JTCC series purely in mind - anyone who has played gran turismo can tell you that. But it doesn't necessarily mean that the GTR was developed first, then the GTS etc. As a fellow car enthusiast I would be interested to know how you can be 100% sure of this. Please tell us where you learnt this information!

Edited May 25, 201114 yr by leo-r32gts
correction

Made primarily for racing, LOL.

They were raced in the JTCC, a Group A touring car series. By definition, this is a class for 'production-derived vehicles', absolutely NOT cars made primarily for racing.

Meh there isn't a lot of point in talking to people like Clarkey.

 

I learned this information when I was a GTR owner and one of the biggest fanbois of the car on the planet. They took a new stance on the R32, instead of developing a road car and then making a race car from it, they made the race car (To the specs of the tournament they were entering and within the limits of producing the road car), with being completely dominant on the circuit in mind (Something they more than acheived), then in order to a) comply with the racing requirements of it being a production vehicle and b) continue making an already successful line of vehicles (The skyline range itself), they made the various alternatives to the GTR. This is the reason there was no station wagon made for the R32, it wasn't built as a road car first, completely the opposite. The same applies to the R33 and R34 although to a lesser extent, you'll notice the station wagon version (The Stagea) came later, in conjunction with other companies and did not bare the Skyline name, because at that time, it was intended to be a racing car, with a road car following, not the other way around.

 

Just purely as a rebuttle:

 

Today I have learned that Clarkey is a completely ignorant f'tard with no manners and such a lack of intelligence that he insists on insulting others to get his point across.

 

I will now do what he refused to do in kind:

 

Clarkey, no offence was meant by my previous comment, I don't really think you're a f'tard, or an idiot, I don't know you from Adam, please enjoy the rest of your life.

I love it when people cite wikipedia as absolute confirmation of what they've said. Just so you know, the wikipedia page doesn't even mention the original racing car, created purely for racing, which bore the skyline name, it's where the car came from, there wasn't a road car before that.

 

Just for clarity, since we're into citing wikipedia and getting pedantic, my comment about the GTR being the base model, was only with regard to the R32 onwards. As I said, the GTR was created first, to compete on the track, ALL of the other R32 Skylines were derivatives of the GTR, this also applied to the R33 and R34 chassis Skylines, GTR first, other models later. If it was the other way around, then the 2.6litre straight six twin turbo model was created for a 4 door family saloon? Don't think so.

 

 

Ok here's a legit source:

 

First Skyline introduced in 1957: http://www.nissan.co.jp/MUSEUM/SKYLINE/FIRST/index.html

 

Skyline timeline: http://www2.nissan.co.jp/SKYLINE/HISTORY/car_1st.html

 

The R32 GT-R was a homologation special, to allow the GT-R to compete. From everything I've found it looks like the GT-R was released at launch of the R32 and R33 alongside the other models. It seems at though the R34 GT-R came a few months after the base models. I still disagree that the GT-R can be seen in anyway as the base model. It's just another variant of the Skyline, the flagship model and not the one off which the others are based.

 

As for the first racing skyline,

 

Do you mean the C10 GT-R:

 

Or the 2000 GT-B which came before that:

 

Both based on standard skylines, with "hot" roadgoing versions produced as flagship models, or for homologation purposes.

 

Other than that, I can't find a mention of the original racing car that you mention? The only refences that I can find are to the above 2000 GT-B (which was sometimes referred to at the GT-R), from 1964. Which was created by a guy called Shinichiro Sakuri when he dropped a 6 cylinder engine into an elongated Skyline sedan body...

 

 

I love a good argument :D

The car was not designed any differently that every other Production vehicle with a High performance model in its range.

 

The R32 GTR was developed with Grp A racing in mind, and part of the requirements is a minumum production of 500 vehicles. Nissan went with a full unlimited production run.

 

The GTR model would of been designed alongside the entire rest of the range, not before or after or seperate from.

 

The R33 GTR did'nt even come out till 2 years after the rest of the R33 range.

Edited May 25, 201114 yr by Yowser

From everything I've found it looks like the GT-R was released at launch of the R32 and R33 alongside the other models. It seems at though the R34 GT-R came a few months after the base models.

 

GTR was launched :

 

A few months after for the R32 - 1989 both

2 years later for the R33 - 1993 , 1995

1 year later for the R34 - 1998 , 1999

Ah okay, thanks!

 

I searched high and low but couldn't find that info

yeah, that info was also in the Wikipedia article, you can look for those dates and things as much as you like, as someone else said, Clarkey I think, the racing class it was in, required the car to be a production vehicle, which means the road car had to come out first, or it couldn't enter. That does not mean it appeared on the designers drawing board first.

 

Either way, I'm done arguing on something I found out first hand from people who do know what they're talking about, against people who are searching wiki and web articles to prove me wrong, it's pointless. Think what you like, it's irrelevant anyway, the initial discussion related to the R35 and a Z32.

Who are they then, other fanboys from the skyline owners club?

 

Fact of the matter is, the R35 is more 'GTR' than ever, the French didn't really have anything to do with it at all, and the designer is more of a genius than pretty much any car designer, never mind the old skylines. Z32 is old school, doesn't stand a chance against Godzilla.

Taking a new approach to this:

 

You are completely right Clarkey, your opinion based argument is dead on the nail, well done and I congratulate you on your knowledge of life, cars and the inner workings of Nissan. You are so awesome and intelligent, I only wish I could study beneath you.

Either way, I'm done arguing on something I found out first hand from people who do know what they're talking about, against people who are searching wiki and web articles to prove me wrong, it's pointless.

People on the skyline forum? I wonder where they get there "first hand" knowledge from :p

Edited May 25, 201114 yr by Yowser

Taking a new approach to this:

 

You are completely right Clarkey, your opinion based argument is dead on the nail, well done and I congratulate you on your knowledge of life, cars and the inner workings of Nissan. You are so awesome and intelligent, I only wish I could study beneath you.

 

awesome

Clarkey did you see my post in the last page? page4

yeah, I haven't personally attacked anyone so I'd appreciate an apology for that snotty PM you just sent me.

Steady on fella...

People on the skyline forum? I wonder where they get there "first hand" knowledge from :p

 

Nope.

Leo - Shape, breeding, blah blah blah, it just isn't a Skyline or a GTR.

 

PhilP - For the last time, the GTR WAS the base model, everything else was a derivative.

 

Whoever it was (lol) - A scirocco hybrid beat an R32 Golf? Or it beat some crappy 1.6/1.8 Gold badged as an R32? Because the scirocco is a crap car, and the Golf R32 is a 3.2 litre V6 with 4WD that weighs about the same as the scirocco does!?!?!? I'd love to see a vid of that.

 

its a genuine r32 both very close friends of mine he was pretty cheesed off as he has only had the gold a few weeks. its got an audi engine under the hood putting aroung 250bhp on the deck mated with some short ratio box. it keeps up with the zed till about 60 then its slowly disappears much to his disgust, i think once im upped on boost and converted to manual il eat him alive

An Audi engine and not a Golf 3.2 V6 engine?

is the R32 engine not an Audi TT (and other Audis') 3.2 V6?

sorry didnt explain myself properly thats me all over, the siccorco has the audi lump and is all striped out weighs about as much as a fag paper. the r32 golf is completly standard. the zed is faster then them both in a straight line. experimented and done, and tahst with my auto box having a spazz attack between 2nd and third.

nice one, I haven't actually been in an R32, but they have impressive figures and anyone who's got one I've spoken to loves them, guess they're not all they're cracked up to be though by the sound of it.