Sorry, but even in these modern times of gender indiscrimination, this is just wrong.....

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1385492/Chris-Whitehead-wears-skirt-school-protest-uniform-rule.html

 

Firstly let's not forget that the school has rules; so if his parents don't like the rules then send him to another school. FFS, don't endorse his protest by encouraging him to stand up for some misguided "rights" - he's a child and should do as he is told.....

 

...that's why some kids are out of control - because their every whim is indulged hence they lack dicipline.

 

Secondly; what parent in their right mind would allow photos of their 12 year old boy to parade around in a skirt, posing coquettishly, hands on hips, in the national press??? That's really going to do him good in the future isn't is...??

 

Or am I just an old dinosaur who should be extinct in modern Britain - I don't have kids so what do I know....??

 

What do you all reckon?

 

Richard:confused1:

The trouble with this country is because we have too many 'politically correct' (or uncorrect as it should be said!) you sometimes have to take these stupid measure to get yourself or a grievance noticed. I am definately not condoning what that kid did, or certainly his parents (I by the way WOULD not have sent my son to school in a dress) but I suppose you can maybe see why they did it.

Ok then, If I considered myself a Jedi (about as realistic as all other religions) and I turned up for work with my lightsaber and Jedi garb i'm pretty sure I would be up for a disciplinary. I'm assuming that jewellary such as a cross around your neck is still banned from schools (it was in my school) so why then must we accept Muslim dress?

 

I'm glad you called me borderline racist and not a racist, because I am DEFINETELY not that.

 

Can of worms - open!

 

Just thought that calling muslim dress 'stupid', was a bit OTT and could be perceived as being a bit er, racist?

 

Anyway - didn't want to start a political debate, but I don't think we should get too concerned with what people wear... Unless its a bomb vest!! :tt2:

Agree with the last comment!!

Fook me when Beckham wore a Sarong he was a "fashion Icon"

 

Still say the lad was taking the P1ss, something I would have done for a laugh

and would be happy for my lad to do it also

 

1/Ok then, If I considered myself a Jedi (about as realistic as all other religions) and I turned up for work with my lightsaber and Jedi garb i'm pretty sure I would be up for a disciplinary.

 

2/ I'm assuming that jewellary such as a cross around your neck is still banned from schools (it was in my school) so why then must we accept Muslim dress?

 

1/Ridiculous example there mate - like the example in the story, Jedi garb is most probably banned by omission, just like the shorts were, whereby skirts were specifically allowed. If you want, you could probably wear the Jedi skirt to work, but you are going to have to leave the lightsabre at home.......

 

2/Dunno why religion has anything to do with it. The Burqa is nothing to do with religion and not required by religion, although it is a form of traditional dress worn by peoples of a particular religion. Islam doesn't require it to be worn, no more than Christianity requires a cross to be worn.

 

For your argument to be valid, we would need to know if the Burqa is being worn at that particular school, and what the dress code says in relation to that, although you appear to be the only one who sees an religious slant to this so far, when the story is clearly highlighting a non religious issue.

Wow - this has developed in ways I didn't hink it would.......:biggrin:

 

Leo - yes mate I am a dinosaur and proud of it....:biggrin:

 

But whilst my personal opinion of a boy going to school in a skirt and posing hand on hip, is that it is fundamentally wrong even in the 21st century; I have more issue with the question of rules and dicipline.

 

Children should not be endulged, spoilt little princes and princesses; they are minors who should still respect the rules.

 

So the little shite gets hot and wants to wear shorts - boo hoo. When (if) he grows up and gets a job he will have to respect the rules of the workplace; for example if he gets a job in (say) a bank, then that means wearing a suit regardless of the weather. In my office we permit casual dress like jeans and a T-shirt; but I draw the line at shorts and track-suit bottoms as that is just not appropriate and is IMO unprofessional.

 

School uniforms (along with other school rules, no matter how stupid they seem to kids) should prepare the next generation for life in the real world. It should teach them a respect for society, its regulations and (at the extreme) its laws. Allowing standards to lapse early on only encourages a slovenly and selfish attitude in the future.

 

Regardless of the "macho chest beating" his parents should not be encouraging him. If that had been me, my folks would have stopped it right away - telling me that the school was right, rules are rules, so live with it.

 

Luckily I don't have children - otherwise I'd have sent them to work up chimneys or down the mines as soon as they could walk!!

 

Bah humbug!!

 

Richard:euro:

Children should not be endulged, spoilt little princes and princesses; they are minors who should still respect the rules.

 

But thats the point folks are missing - He did, to the letter.

 

I agree it's a wee bit cheeky...............

Wow - this has developed in ways I didn't hink it would.......:biggrin:

 

Leo - yes mate I am a dinosaur and proud of it....:biggrin:

 

But whilst my personal opinion of a boy going to school in a skirt and posing hand on hip, is that it is fundamentally wrong even in the 21st century; I have more issue with the question of rules and dicipline.

 

Children should not be endulged, spoilt little princes and princesses; they are minors who should still respect the rules.

 

So the little shite gets hot and wants to wear shorts - boo hoo. When (if) he grows up and gets a job he will have to respect the rules of the workplace; for example if he gets a job in (say) a bank, then that means wearing a suit regardless of the weather. In my office we permit casual dress like jeans and a T-shirt; but I draw the line at shorts and track-suit bottoms as that is just not appropriate and is IMO unprofessional.

 

School uniforms (along with other school rules, no matter how stupid they seem to kids) should prepare the next generation for life in the real world. It should teach them a respect for society, its regulations and (at the extreme) its laws. Allowing standards to lapse early on only encourages a slovenly and selfish attitude in the future.

 

Regardless of the "macho chest beating" his parents should not be encouraging him. If that had been me, my folks would have stopped it right away - telling me that the school was right, rules are rules, so live with it.

 

Luckily I don't have children - otherwise I'd have sent them to work up chimneys or down the mines as soon as they could walk!!

 

Bah humbug!!

 

Richard:euro:

 

I know what you're getting at Richard and TBH I agree. Children should be beaten within a inch of their life, even for trivial breaches of rules. That way they would grow up with the fear of god, should they step out of line. Not like the little scrotes who live down my street who try to burgle your house one week, then flick you the bird the next.. (yes, really).

 

Thing is though, I actually think that kid will probably be a good 'en so to speak - he might not be as macho as some of our forum members, but I can't see him spending time at her majesty's pleasure either (ok, its a bit early to judge maybe).

 

In my world, we should still have the cane and capital punishment. Step out of line and you get squashed. Next time, you don't step out of line. I would also sterilise the long term unemployed. I would bring back public floggings of rapists and murderers. Not to mention the inventive forms of torture I have conjured up for Peados (rusty spoons anyone?).

 

As you can see. My world is a very dark place, which is why people more moderate than I are in control. Freedom to express an opinion and to air one's view is paramount in our culture - the only problem is we try and listen to everyone (human rights for terrorists FFS!). I don't think we should take what happened out of context. The school will review its policy next year and the governers will vote in favour of no change. The lad who wore a skirt for a few days (until he got totally pissed off with everyone calling him a bender) will be forgotten about. And really - it won't make the slightest bit of difference. Discipline, for disciplines sake is probably best left to my imagination and not in the real world.

Edited May 18, 201114 yr by leo-r32gts

Leo.......you should work in the 'Human Rights' department in Brussells! lol.....be a lot less scumbags about!

I know what you're getting at Richard and TBH I agree. Children should be beaten within a inch of their life, even for trivial breaches of rules. That way they would grow up with the fear of god, should they step out of line. Not like the little scrotes who live down my street who try to burgle your house one week, then flick you the bird the next.. (yes, really).

 

Thing is though, I actually think that kid will probably be a good 'en so to speak - he might not be as macho as some of our forum members, but I can't see him spending time at her majesty's pleasure either (ok, its a bit early to judge maybe).

 

In my world, we should still have the cane and capital punishment. Step out of line and you get squashed. Next time, you don't step out of line. I would also sterilise the long term unemployed. I would bring back public floggings of rapists and murderers. Not to mention the inventive forms of torture I have conjured up for Peados (rusty spoons anyone?).

 

As you can see. My world is a very dark place, which is why people more moderate than I are in control. Freedom to express an opinion and to air one's view is paramount in our culture - the only problem is we try and listen to everyone (human rights for terrorists FFS!). I don't think we should take what happened out of context. The school will review its policy next year and the governers will vote in favour of no change. The lad who wore a skirt for a few days (until he got totally pissed off with everyone calling him a bender) will be forgotten about. And really - it won't make the slightest bit of difference. Discipline, for disciplines sake is probably best left to my imagination and not in the real world.

 

Can't say fairer than that Leo!

 

But thats the point folks are missing - He did, to the letter.

 

I agree it's a wee bit cheeky...............

 

Yes he did mate - although I have not missed that point. My point is that he has taken the rules literally in order to effect some kind of change to the rules that already exist! And that is what I think is wrong; ie the principle behind his actions.....

 

But hey ho; Leo rightly mentioned that I'm a dinosaur earlier and I guess I just don't fit in with the culture in 21st Century Britain.......:biggrin:

Can't say fairer than that Leo!

 

 

 

Yes he did mate - although I have not missed that point. My point is that he has taken the rules literally in order to effect some kind of change to the rules that already exist! And that is what I think is wrong; ie the principle behind his actions.....

 

But hey ho; Leo rightly mentioned that I'm a dinosaur earlier and I guess I just don't fit in with the culture in 21st Century Britain.......:biggrin:

 

Your not the only one Richard mate!!!!......lol.....:no:

Oh dear, I'm going to attempt to keep this short, but, Oh dear!

 

Firstly, I'm a disciplinarian, my son does as he's told, OR ELSE! He also follows the rules, OR ELSE. This is because I want him to grow up knowing that you should not step outside of the rules, because that can land you 3 meals a day at HM Pleasure, or in the very least cost you a lot in fines. That being said, I also encourage him to question what he does not think is right. This particular kid went to school in a skirt, because in todays messed up, ridiculously politically correct society that we live in, he can, LEGALLY, regardless of the school uniform (Unless skirts were banned for girls too of course). I agree with the point that he's making, it's ridiculous that girls can choose either or, but boys are stuck in trousers, end. That is unfair, it is not equal rights, however, was it any fairer before the women burned their bra's and things (Exactly what you're currently protesting against Rich) and got the right to wear trousers? No, it was less fair on the women. I do also concede to Richards point about preparing kids for work life, I have to shout at my 15/ nearly 16 year old daughter about school uniform because she refuses to wear it correctly, I talk of suits and ties at work etc. etc. etc. (Regardless of the fact I now work from home in shorts and T-Shirt), but perhaps that should be introduced at year 10? This boy is a year 7, he has just come up from middle school, cut him some slack, let him wear shorts for another year or so, then in year 10, total uniform change, YOUR A MAN NOW, ACT LIKE ONE!

 

I personally agree with certain other comments that people have mentioned here, public flogging for rapists and murders should be hung, the cane should still be used in schools, only with the parents permission I think (Yes I would even grant the school permission to use it on my kids if they deserved it), and I think the law definitely should be relaxed on parents smacking children, discipline is failing people, the prisons are swelling, the dole queue is growing (Despite the latest bs figures from the government) and in general the world is going down the drain.

 

Just to cover something that was brought up, tolerance is an issue these days. The Burkha for a start. Now I'm not racist, anyone that calls me so will have a problem with me, my eldest brother and two elder sisters are half Anglo Indian, so I'm far from it, however, the burkha is something to do with the region the person comes from, more of a tradition than anything else, most likely originally created to keep them cool in the desert sun from what I'm told, nothing to do with religion, why then, are we expected to be tolerant of it? A biker wears a helmet to protect his head from the ground in case of a crash, he wears it most of the day while riding, but if he walks in to a bank, or a shop, or in general is walking around in public, he is expected, and in many cases, REQUIRED, to take it off! The problem becomes worse when people get things like the Burkha and other forms of regional/traditional dress, mixed up with religious symbols, dress and behaviour.

 

Not sure about anyone else, but I've travelled a fair bit, places in Europe like most English people, but also Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, New Zealand and now finally America. After all my travelling I can tell you one thing, NO ONE, is as tolerant to other beliefs, religions, traditions and behaviours as the English. If you move to NZ, you are expected to change your beliefs, your traditions and your behaviours and fit in with THEIR society, not try to change it to your own, or segregate yourself in your own little corner with some other people who believe the same thing, very much the same applies in America. I personally agree very much with their mentality and it is why I left New Zealand primarily, because I didn't want to do that. Call me a dinosaur and I'll join Richard if you like, but I personally believe that each country has it's own beliefs, traditions and behaviours and anyone who wishes to live in that country should follow them. If changing your beliefs and behaviours would offend you so much, don't live in a country that doesn't follow them, go back to your own country, which does follow them, as I did. Of course many would say I'm English and don't have that many beliefs or traditions or behaviours that I hold all that dearly, but they'd be wrong, and it's why I'm back in England now, not living in the USA or NZ, or for that matter, anywhere else.

top words hollow point, i like your reasoning

Oh dear, I'm going to attempt to keep this short, but, Oh dear!

 

? This boy is a year 7, he has just come up from middle school, cut him some slack, let him wear shorts for another year or so, then in year 10, total uniform change, YOUR A MAN NOW, ACT LIKE ONE!

 

The Burkha - originally created to keep them cool in the desert sun from what I'm told, nothing to do with religion, why then, are we expected to be tolerant of it? A biker wears a helmet to protect his head from the ground in case of a crash, he wears it most of the day while riding, but if he walks in to a bank, or a shop, or in general is walking around in public, he is expected, and in many cases, REQUIRED, to take it off! The problem becomes worse when people get things like the Burkha and other forms of regional/traditional dress, mixed up with religious symbols, dress and behaviour.

 

After all my travelling I can tell you one thing, NO ONE, is as tolerant to other beliefs, religions, traditions and behaviours as the English.

 

 

I agree with the vast majority of what you said, but..

 

I wear shorts to work - does this mean I am not a man? Not everyone works in an office!

 

Secondly, are you insinuating that people wearing the burkha outside, should take it off before they come inside? :scared:

 

Lastly (I couldn't agree more with this) - us Brits are very tolerant, compared with other countries, in terms of accepting other races and religions - perhaps too much so. I don't mind foriegners - my girlfriend is from Slovakia - but I do object to how some groups segregate themselves rather than intergrating into our society.

 

I say we should start our own political party (free road tax on classic nissans for starters!) and I vote Richard as party leader (hope you have a scandal free past Richard, don't want to hear any more stories about women's footprints on the windscreen of the Merc now!!) and Hollowpoint as deputy!

 

 

 

First on the agend: let's bring back :hang:

 

 

(I will take care of the ministry of justice LOL)

Edited May 19, 201114 yr by leo-r32gts

lmao

 

Ok, if you notice, I said I work from home in shorts and a T-Shirt, I've just spent a week working in California, where I was even in the office, in shorts and a T-Shirt, no I don't think wearing shorts makes you less of a man, however, MOST men that go to work in an office, have to wear trousers, shirt, tie, suit jacket and smart shoes, school should prepare them for that. Suits are not the most comfortable things to wear, especially all day and in an office. :D

 

Yes I am insinuating that people who insist on wearing a Burkha, when they are no longer in their own country or region and are certainly no longer in the desert, should take it the F&*^ off when they come inside. In their own home, fine. In the street to some extent (Although many people do feel threatened and intimidated by it and this comes back to US feeling comfortable in our own country remember). But in a bank, or a shop, or my home? No, take it off, I want to see your face when I talk to you.

 

If you're in a building that has a great deal of money in it, then you should remove it. Bikers remove helmets, people have to remove sun glasses, hats etc, all so that they can be recognised by witnesses and CCTV if needed, why on earth should these people be exempt, just because it WAS their culture, in THEIR country, to wear it? That's like saying, people from Russia are accustomed to wearing balaclavas when they are in their own country, to keep their nose from falling off, would you let them wear it down the street or in the bank? I don't think so!

 

I don't like standing in line in the bank, thinking the woman behind me could be carrying any kind of weapon under that thing and I would never be able to recognise her again if she did hurt me, someone else, rob the bank etc. Also, on the tube, it's very intimidating. I have to go to London for work a few days a month, and the amount of burkhas on the tube is quite upsetting at times. There have been so many terrorist attacks and attempted attacks on the tube, that should be one place that EVERYONE must be able to be identified by witnesses and the CCTV at a later date if needed.

 

If the only description you can give is "She was wearing a Burkha" then no one is going to get very far are they?

they should be made to remove the burka, and dont start giving it that racist shite leo, if other people have to remove the cross from their necks and so forth then they should remove their burkha

 

how could you ever trust or learn or work with anyone that isnt showing their face's, a lot can be taken from people's expression's, they say its thier religion but others are not allowed to express their or show their religion's

 

and by the way i think that all religions are a load of cobbler's but you seem to want to turn this into a race religion argument leo so im having my 2p worth

not exactly on topic but.....

 

a fried of mine was talking to a security guard at morri5on5 and he said that the security team were advised (or rather TOLD) not to follow or detain anyone wearing a burkha...

 

so if you want to kick stuff from Morri5ons you know what to do...:D

See that's just ridiculous, not only are they allowed to wear them in banks and shops etc. The people who are supposed to defend us and the companies they work for, are not even allowed to follow or question them, even if they've clearly been seen stealing shit. That's beyond a joke!

they should be made to remove the burka, and dont start giving it that racist shite leo, if other people have to remove the cross from their necks and so forth then they should remove their burkha

 

how could you ever trust or learn or work with anyone that isnt showing their face's, a lot can be taken from people's expression's, they say its thier religion but others are not allowed to express their or show their religion's

 

and by the way i think that all religions are a load of cobbler's but you seem to want to turn this into a race / religion argument leo so im having my 2p worth

 

As I said before - you have emotional issues :tt2:

 

Only joking Stella.

 

I'm not making it into a racist/religious argument. Far from it, I just don't see what the fuss is about. A burkha doesn't have to be full-facial, in fact most people wear the more accepted form - when it just covers the hair, neck and shoulders etc. I think people should be allowed to wear what they like (within reason). I don't see how that is trying to make a religious/race row out of it.

 

I agree - religion is a stupid concept to me, but my girlfriend is also a church going do-gooder. It doesn't bother me what your beliefs are, providing you don't force your view onto others.

 

Take a chill pill stella and re-read some of these posts. Can't help but think you've misinterpreted some of whats been said. The main point here was discipline as far as I was aware?? I just had to take issue with what I thought were borderline racist comments - or would you prefer if I didn't?

As I said before - you have emotional issues :tt2:

 

Only joking Stella.

 

I'm not making it into a racist/religious argument. Far from it, I just don't see what the fuss is about. A burkha doesn't have to be full-facial, in fact most people wear the more accepted form - when it just covers the hair, neck and shoulders etc. I think people should be allowed to wear what they like (within reason). I don't see how that is trying to make a religious/race row out of it.

 

I agree - religion is a stupid concept to me, but my girlfriend is also a church going do-gooder. It doesn't bother me what your beliefs are, providing you don't force your view onto others.

 

Take a chill pill stella and re-read some of these posts. Can't help but think you've misinterpreted some of whats been said. The main point here was discipline as far as I was aware?? I just had to take issue with what I thought were borderline racist comments - or would you prefer if I didn't?

 

I fail to see how a comment to do with wearing a burkha is classed as a "boarder line" rasist comment, when people of all races and colors follow the religion and wear it because its a dress code for that religion.

 

The only person i see here bringing race into the equation is you matey. no disrespect, but its boarder line racist to think that only people of another color wear such attire, when clearly its a religious item of clothing and has nothing to do with the color of ones skin.

 

Problem with racism is, its in the eye of the beholder to be quite frank. its a concept thats flashed about far to often to get away from the real issues at hand, and has no place on this forum.

 

This is a car club, we are here to express our thoughts and share our knowledge on the 300zx. we may have a "unrelated" section of the forum for banta and talking about points that are effecting our daily lives. but considering we all stare at the same screen, i see no place for racist comments or religious remarks if its intent is to cause malace, peoples views are too wide spread on both subjects and ultimately they always either boil down to "racism" or "bashing a certain religion"

 

Now baring in mind that this thread was about a boy waring a skirt to school in protest of not being allowed to wear shorts, id like to get back on topic. any more comments about race / religion, that you want to air your views about, please start another thread and keep it amicable. but i see no place for such comments here. if it carries on, than i will have no choice but to lock this thread and delete comments that refer in anyway shape of form to racist remarks, burkhas, or religion.

Edited May 19, 201114 yr by vodkashots

Well said Vods, except for one thing, it isn't a religious item of clothing, it's cultural/regional, which is why it's kind of on topic, because the topic wasn't just about him wearing the skirt, it was about whether things like this should be allowed, even in todays society. The fact that people mistake it for religious, and therefore say it should be allowed, is exactly what I was arguing about, it isn't, and therefore they shouldn't.

 

As for what the burkha is, the only actual burkha is the full facial, covers everything but the eyes, anything else, is a politically correct dirivative, which I have very little problem with anyway, like I have no problem with Indian ladies wearing traditional Indian dress, fine cover the hair and ears, no problem, but covering up the nose and mouth and forehead, goes to far, in banks, shops, other peoples homes etc at least.

 

/EndRant :D

top words hollow point, i like your reasoning

 

Amen to that as well!!

 

.........I say we should start our own political party (free road tax on classic nissans for starters!) and I vote Richard as party leader (hope you have a scandal free past Richard, don't want to hear any more stories about women's footprints on the windscreen of the Merc now!!) and Hollowpoint as deputy!.............

 

LOL - I'd give a go.....:winkiss:

 

.....and no I have no skeletons in my closet. And just to be clear those footprints were not on the windscreen, they were categorically on the carpet - honest; I can prove it.....:whistling:

 

Finally, TwinTurboRich - great picture BUT I had to remove it mate. In today's messed up world someone could easily take offence at that. So rules is rules; we have to protect the forum's position on these matters.

 

Richard:cool3:

As for what the burkha is, the only actual burkha is the full facial, covers everything but the eyes, anything else, is a politically correct dirivative,

 

Not quite true matey, the burqa is normally a mesh veil, which goes over the face, and depending on fit, may allow a view of most of the face when you view from up close, but it can also be the half face "arabian nights" style which covers from below the eyes down, not covering the eyes.

 

The version that looks like a ninja mask with a (normally) rectangular slit for the eyes is a niqab.

 

The "dress" is called an abaya.

 

None of the above items are religious requirements as previously stated, but based on tradition. It is reckoned that all the items actually predate Islam.

 

I have previously lived in Kuwait for the best part of 2 years, and talked about this on more than one occasion.

Thanks for the clarification on the clothing Derek, I knew they all had different names, but I had thought the burqa was the ninja slot style one.