Hey Guys,

 

I am curious if there was a race between the two who would win. My mates for a type r and i have seen him beat m3's. So i wondering if anyones had any experience or thoughts???

 

He always keeps telling me that he would win, he pushing about 240 with some basic mods.

 

:donatello:

Edited April 13, 201114 yr by Javelin

170 in a TT is not something that goes by easily 140 isnt even 'easily' achived, look on youtube for the RAF runs. as posted here.

 

dont worry about numbers, it how power is delivered, an nsx put out only 280-320 hp but yet that can whoop most cars, from porches to rs4's with 400odd hp..

 

these cars a very fast, and once revved they go amazingly well, the Z's really arent that fast. yes i like the z for what it is, but its hardly a drag monster. most tuned cars can see them off.

 

140 isn't easily achieved? are you sure you are driving a real 300zx?

 

Because i can tell you now, if im not careful 140 comes and goes pretty darn quick.

 

infact 150 comes pretty fast as well. and getting from 70 to 140 comes very very fast.

 

to the OP

 

Im running a Greddy ECU, boost jets pushing 16psi, HKS airfilter, Divorced waist gates coupled to power flow decat pipes that are attached to a blue flame mongoose quad exit exhaust system, short shifter (helps with the gear changes) dunno about engine mods, dunno about turbo mods (might be standard) but i know one thing, i raced a Audi R8 and left it, and they ain't slow by any means.

 

If your struggling to get to 140 id suggest getting your zed checked (on a track of course)

Edited April 13, 201114 yr by vodkashots

yeah the quarter miles arent great from the zed's but if you go look at a 400 to 450 twin turbo supras they are about the same unless its a single turbo . to say that a vxr is faster than a 400bhp zed is just silly imho , you gotta see that the vxr is just light and agressive off the line but it will always lose when it gets to certain speeds .

 

as for the races and drivers, it all depends on how good the road is , weather etc and of course the drivers will always have a say in it , however please dont think theres lewis hamiltons in every corner : )

 

to say the zed hasnt got speed is just well lol ... very weird thing to say . not because we're all zed owners or most but because the car is agressive and fast in the street , quarter mile times wont always have the final say .

 

look at each others weight ? which one is gonna take off better ? dont forget the zed turbos aswell will only go a bit after and after that its bye type r's.

Haha that is funny :P, well done Matt! Well have to say his z does looks very mean though!! :D

 

P.S Cheers for the favour again! ;)

 

Haha no problems mate, glad i could help, as soon as something goes wrong i will get a forged build, Jimmer is pushing me for it haha.

 

yeah the quarter miles arent great from the zed's but if you go look at a 400 to 450 twin turbo supras they are about the same unless its a single turbo . to say that a vxr is faster than a 400bhp zed is just silly imho , you gotta see that the vxr is just light and agressive off the line but it will always lose when it gets to certain speeds .

 

as for the races and drivers, it all depends on how good the road is , weather etc and of course the drivers will always have a say in it , however please dont think theres lewis hamiltons in every corner : )

 

to say the zed hasnt got speed is just well lol ... very weird thing to say . not because we're all zed owners or most but because the car is agressive and fast in the street , quarter mile times wont always have the final say .

 

look at each others weight ? which one is gonna take off better ? dont forget the zed turbos aswell will only go a bit after and after that its bye type r's.

 

 

My zed is running about 350/360 bhp give or take, its just has a Mines ECU chip in it, japsped exhausts and boost jets. My car even still has the cats installed!

Edited April 13, 201114 yr by murt

1/4 mile isn't any use. The Z (and supra / skyline/ infact any big cc turbo car with a 300-500hp tune) isn't going to get down the 1/4 any quicker than a stripped out 200-230hp front-wheel hatchback. There's a higly suped up VXR here, with a proven 330hp and IS quicker than my Z up to 150mph, but that's the point where most 2.0 turbo's stop performing and bigger torquier engines can continue. I'm very open minded and not biased, have gone through lots of cars and spunked more cash than I'd ever like to remind myself of (easily 30k over the years) on them, so would like to think I'm being honest and not jaded. The Z isn't the fastest car out there, anything pushing more than 350hp is likely to be faster - but after 300-400hp it's pretty much a battle of the wallets regardless of what car you have, all the technical details and differences become less significant. :) I'm sure your mates civic type R is a great laugh though and very very quick point to point

dont doubt it at all that you took him mate ^^ thats why i found it very strange that he thinks 240 bhp type r and vxr will take on a zed that is in a good condition.

 

yowser is 100 percent spot on there .

have to disagree massively here. luckily im part of a HUGE 200+ car modified car club, with car from civics to mustangs in it. I know 1st hand, how fast these car can be with various mods, i even have a buddy with a turbod civic putting down 12s a few weeks ago at the pod.

 

i never said ive raced my Z against these cars, but i do know the capabilitys of the Z, have had 3 of them, and had 4 different turbo kits ranging from a 280hp standard z to my current car over 500hp when i bought it. (dyno sheets) bills and the garrett t28s to prove it. my engine is healthy and was rebuilt less than a year ago with forged internals.

 

Alz/ Gonzo/ Osty/ king and any of the East Anglia guys you willing to find out 1st hand how stupidly quick these ' slow' civics are, happily come by one wednesday and i will introduce you to a new opinion, any of the rest of you non beleives, let me know when you can get over to East Anglia or to Santa pod, would love to see you faces after these cars light up.

 

now, im not talking about 17-20 year old lads with induction kits, and big exhausts, these cars are mainly owned by military folks with deep pockets and extensive tuning knowledge.

 

for the rest of you saying 140 is easily and quickly passed, i think this is just down to what you think is quick. yes i know 300zx's can do 160 odd, but quickly...... NOPE.

(watch the 180mph Z video on here) that isnt what i call fast.

vodkashots..... beat an R8.......... i think now you see what i mean, about these stupid claims. and R8......... beat it...... a 4.2 V8 churning out over 400hp was beat by a 300zx...... i think youve had to many vodka shots.

Lets be honest most of the vtec boys think they have the beating of any car just because the lawnmower engine revs its tits off all the time.

 

My mate had one before, granted we were 3 up at the time but we lost in a battle with an old E36 325i

 

The Civic is a reasonably quick car but at the end of the day it is just a chav carrying drug dealer's special.

have to disagree massively here. luckily im part of a HUGE 200+ car modified car club, with car from civics to mustangs in it. I know 1st hand, how fast these car can be with various mods, i even have a buddy with a turbod civic putting down 12s a few weeks ago at the pod.

 

i never said ive raced my Z against these cars, but i do know the capabilitys of the Z, have had 3 of them, and had 4 different turbo kits ranging from a 280hp standard z to my current car over 500hp when i bought it. (dyno sheets) bills and the garrett t28s to prove it. my engine is healthy and was rebuilt less than a year ago with forged internals.

 

Alz/ Gonzo/ Osty/ king and any of the East Anglia guys you willing to find out 1st hand how stupidly quick these ' slow' civics are, happily come by one wednesday and i will introduce you to a new opinion, any of the rest of you non beleives, let me know when you can get over to East Anglia or to Santa pod, would love to see you faces after these cars light up.

 

now, im not talking about 17-20 year old lads with induction kits, and big exhausts, these cars are mainly owned by military folks with deep pockets and extensive tuning knowledge.

 

for the rest of you saying 140 is easily and quickly passed, i think this is just down to what you think is quick. yes i know 300zx's can do 160 odd, but quickly...... NOPE.

(watch the 180mph Z video on here) that isnt what i call fast.

 

Sure, any car can be tuned to be quick, with the right money and the right know how.

 

Its the the Pub style honda fan boy attitude your pushing thats raising eyebrows.

 

As for drag racing, we dont have a lot of Z owners who are into drag racing in the UK, hence the relatively limited recorded times on the Z leader board.

 

Stock tested time is 13.8 secs for the Manual TT, but there are plenty of Z's in the states in the 12's and 11's and all the way down to the 8's for street legal cars.

 

A stock TT will do 0-100mph in high 13 secs. However with basic mods that time drops to mid 11 secs and a top speed of 180'ish.

 

To put that in comparison the stock Type-R does it in 16 secs and tops out at about 145mph

 

As for how quick it hits high speeds....I've lost count the amount of times I've acclerated a little to overtake another car on the motorway and accidently found myself at over twice the legal UK speed limit without meaning too.

 

There are less powerfull but lighter cars that can give the Z a run for its money at lower speeds, but they dont compare at high speed. Its one of the better cars out there for High speed and never fails to impress. It has even held the high speed world record for its class for the past 20 years.

coolq , go buy a civic then !! whats the point coming on a z forum and slating the car that the forum is intended for with silly remarks and claims that quite frankly are a load of bull . the question was . standard vs standard and the answer is clear cut , the zed would kick that shopping trolleys arse !! even a lightly modded typr R would be beating , there just a revy boy racer car , the zed is a torque monster !!

 

If i wanted a revy pocket rocket id buy another pulsaR

The OP asked what the club reckons is faster car a type r 240 bhp or a 300zx tt , considering the zed has more torque/higher bhp/higher top speed i think the fact is clear that the zed is faster .

 

Now you're going to get high powered cars with lots of money thrown in to them ? U.k is one of the biggest tuning potential countries in Europe if not the biggest , there's really amazing builds here with ££££ engines but with a budget of the same money a zed will always be faster than a type r if the guy knows what he's doing.

 

Not doubting but if you have a proven 500bhp zed than 140 should be EASY to reach and you would clearly know this .

 

And as you doubting what vodkashot's said , so basically a type r is faster than a zed which has more power and a 350 + zed cant keep up with an r8 im talking about the lower bhp version of the r8 .

 

Not trying to sound biased with the zed but the thing is , its like comparing a stock 300 with a stock r34 its a different league to us zedder's but the same goes towards the type r , they are good cars but not as fast as you think they are.

 

I dont get it , you've owned a few zed's and yet you can only critize them.I think you should've bought a type r no offence , the thing is this is a 300zx forum and saying they're slow is a bit silly IMHO.

MY WORD... listen to yourselves, all this mine's faster than yours talk!!

 

Here's the bottom line... The zed is cool as f*ck, so it's already won... even before ignition 'on'!

 

:punk:

Are we talking about a standard civic here or a highly tuned one? now for it to be in comparison it would have to be doing sub 5 second 0-60 and i just cant see that from a civic plus if one pulls up at me next to the lights i wouldnt even think about racing it as it is not in the class of a 300zx. Each Jap manufacturer makes maybe a couple of good cars and Honda made the NSX i wouldnt class a civic as one of their good cars id compare it to the Nissan Micra :)

MY WORD... listen to yourselves, all this mine's faster than yours talk!!

 

Here's the bottom line... The zed is cool as f*ck, so it's already won... even before ignition 'on'!

 

:punk:

 

Spot on there Joely :thumbup: Uber cool and will turn heads every where it goes, you cant say that about a civic.

Ha ha ha Fookin Civics :yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn:

I Spank them everytime in my 4 door Family saloon:punk::punk:

I think it's a wind-up :p 5 Z's, some pushing 500hp - and maintaining they are slow? Bs figures or Bs car :p Nothing with 500bhp is slow, there's 2 cars in the local village pushing these figures and they are easily the fastest things around for miles, the only quicker motor I can recall was a 750hp skyline 60 miles away and that lasted all of 3k miles before destroying the engine.

you people on here are very biased. just because we own these cars, doesnt mean we have to say theyre really that great. FFS most of us are weekly if not daily having problems, and this forum is crammed with post about faluts/problems/stuff not working/ bad turbos/ duff engines etc. so lets be realistic, yes we like these cars, but there are actually pretty cr*p most of the time.

 

standard vs standard, yes im for the TT but a 240hp civic, as in the question. is not something id consider a 'walkover' in a standard TT.

 

now a TT on 1bar or plus, yea, i think would walk it. but on 1 bar, a TT has had about 800-1000 spent on it by that point.

s13 depends what you call fast. sure a 500hp TT is quick so to speak. but just for having 500hp doesnt mean its stupidly fast. i have a few mustangs in the club with 500hp, but theyre not fast, poweful yes, fast no.

 

now friend of mine, has a 680hp supra single turbo, now that car IS FAST.

BMW M3 e46. quick, fast NO

300zx TT on 1 bar boost, quick yes, fast NO

just to give you an idea of what i call fast.

GONZO meet tonight in Newmarket, take you NA or TT up there, and ask for a tuned civic to race you down the a14. then repost here how sorry you are.

Agreed, Zed for sure is the cooler car, they look sexy and sleek and no argument there. However being at my age i might be getting into a few races and wanted to hear some opinions.

 

But hands down for the honda's as they seem pretty nippy. Really they should be no comparison between a twin turbo 3 liter and a 2.0 car. Weight wise honda is 1225 kg and z looks like its around 1373 kg. So not a lot of difference either.

 

civic type R vs nissan 300zx twin turbo jdm

 

Check that out, nevertheless Z all the WAY!!!

Edited April 14, 201114 yr by Javelin

see the video above for all of you doubters. TOLD YOU.

you people on here are very biased. just because we own these cars, doesnt mean we have to say theyre really that great. FFS most of us are weekly if not daily having problems, and this forum is crammed with post about faluts/problems/stuff not working/ bad turbos/ duff engines etc. so lets be realistic, yes we like these cars, but there are actually pretty cr*p most of the time.

 

 

The problem with this is that people dont come onto forums to say my car is running fine and has no problems with it. It wouldnt make interesting reading for anyone.

 

Also why have you had so many z's if you think they are pretty crap most of the time.

GONZO meet tonight in Newmarket, take you NA or TT up there, and ask for a tuned civic to race you down the a14. then repost here how sorry you are.

 

anyone know of a fast a furious forum vin diesel here can join, have u heard yourself ?

Agreed, Zed for sure is the cooler car, they look sexy and sleek and no argument there. However being at my age i might be getting into a few races and wanted to hear some opinions.

 

But hands down for the honda's as they seem pretty nippy. Really they should be no comparison between a twin turbo 3 liter and a 2.0 car. Weight wise honda is 1225 kg and z looks like its around 1373 kg. So not a lot of difference either.

 

civic type R vs nissan 300zx twin turbo jdm

 

Check that out, nevertheless Z all the WAY!!!

 

You shouldn't race on the roads buddy it's dodgy.. at any rate, which type R are you referring to? The 2.0 is the later shape (not the latest) and they are slow as sh*t, christ a 1.6 16v crx should out perform one :tooth: The older 1.6 are lighter and probably a bit nippier, but nothing major either as standard. They are no quicker than an ITR on a straight, and ITR's aren't fast except round corners. But due to the rave press reviews have a scary fanbase who are determined they are faster than anything round a corner.. ever.. I'm more than happy to do a runway performance test of my Z against any n/a honda but I live in the highlands so will have to make do with the locals. Haha this is great I feel like a kid again :cool3:

coolq.. race wars my man, be there ... and I'm buying my own shrimp :D