Is it just me or is anyone else a little pissed off with his righteous attitude towards the oil spill,do you think he would have made the same fuss if it was an American Oil rig,I know whats happened is awful and will have serious repercussions on the eco system but the fact that one of the worlds greatest polluters and users of oil complaining is a bitter pill to swallow for me.

i dont like it how he somehow makes it out its Britain's fault, as opposed to this one company's fault. but then again the yanks always like to have one up on their motherland don't they ;)

Totally agree. Was saying the same to my mate earlier. Don't here him complaining when he needs some 'motion lotion' for his presidential fleet of cars or when Air Force One needs a top up! This sort of natural disaster is the chance you take if the demand for oil is there. A totally hypocritical stance, particularly given the States' consumption of fossil fuels.

he changed his mind about calling it british petroleum when it was pointed out that bp hire 20'000 americans and only 10'000 british workers

 

he is just making himself look good

He is calling for compensation, so what about when their tankers went under polluting UK waters and putting Cornish fisherman practically out of business?

 

He is a tosser of epic proportion.

It is hypocritical considering the Yanks dont recognise the 100bhp per litre rule which 20years ago was a good benchmark,they thought pig iron with a swept volume of 7 litres was doing well if it made 350 bhp :lol:Efficient engines in the west can make that easy using half the cylinders.

It was actually an American owned and operated oil rig! Unfortunately BP were the poor buggers that sub contracted the work out. It was part owned by the Halliburton Corporation who are based in Houston.

 

I actually feel sorry for BP. Whilst it was not their mistake directly, they are responsible for the oil spill since it was their oil that was being extracted. They do appear to be pouring vast quantities of money at it and putting huge amounts of effort into clearing it up. On a flip side, I feel for the American people along the shores of the US gulf. Fisheries and tourism make up the lion's share of the economy here. Whilst I understand Obama's stance in wanting to help his people, I do feel sorry for BP....whilst the American corporation employed to extract the oil seems to have gotten away with it all.

It was actually an American owned and operated oil rig! Unfortunately BP were the poor buggers that sub contracted the work out. It was part owned by the Halliburton Corporation who are based in Houston.

 

I actually feel sorry for BP. Whilst it was not their mistake directly, they are responsible for the oil spill since it was their oil that was being extracted. They do appear to be pouring vast quantities of money at it and putting huge amounts of effort into clearing it up. On a flip side, I feel for the American people along the shores of the US gulf. Fisheries and tourism make up the lion's share of the economy here. Whilst I understand Obama's stance in wanting to help his people, I do feel sorry for BP....whilst the American corporation employed to extract the oil seems to have gotten away with it all.

 

Well put . About time more people were made aware of details about the drilling company`s share of responsibility , and the other points are well made too .

They also dont point out that the mechanical parts that did fail was American parts.

 

To Funky Si: It was owned by Transocean, which is registered in the Marshal Islands (and has no ties to Haliburton)

and was LEASED to BP.

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they also wanted to drill on land but the government wouldt let them

They also dont point out that the mechanical parts that did fail was American parts.

 

To Funky Si: It was owned by Transocean, which is registered in the Marshal Islands (and has no ties to Haliburton)

and was LEASED to BP.

 

My wording was incorrect. Halliburton were responsible for cementing the drill into place below the water. The company completed the final cementing of the oil well and pipe just 20 hours before the blowout.

obama...a complete t1t and a massive hypocrite

i have two events for him to stick in his high moral attitiude....bhopal....piper alfa (occidental)....now fook off :(

The oil rig was leased by BP and would have passed their inspection and met with their specifications. As a result they are responsible, no ifs and no buts.

 

To be fair to Obama when running his presidential campaign, one constant theme of his was greener fuel, a switch to greener energy and a reduction in dependance on foreign oil. When the car makers were going bust as part of the rescue he insisted on "greener" technologies. He is not being hippocritical.

 

What I thought was unfair and disgraceful not on BP, but on British people in general was when one Mr Weiner from Obama's administration said in a televised interview that his automatic assumption when listening to anybody from BP speaking with a British accent is that they were "lying". While most of what BP may have said initially turned out to be inaccurate, this to me was an obvious slurr on British people whether intentional or not. Outrageous!

Piper Alpha was a gas rig.

Piper Alpha was a gas rig.

 

they were both USA owned plant both poorly run and managed cut costs and corners at all times ended up killing thousands...obfuscated in cleaning up and paying out the victims by using clever lawyers and bully-boy tactics i do believe that only last year some of the bhopal victims got any money and now the USA are wanting a blank cheque from BP just 2 months later...!!!

Piper Alpha didn't kill thousands nor was there much need for a clean up operation. Only in the local vicinity, certainly did not affect any coastline or much in the way of marine wildlife. Death toll for the Piper Alpha killed about 150 from memory.

Wasn't the news reporting that under American Law BP are not legally responsible, because they are not involved in extracting the oil?

i dont like it how he somehow makes it out its Britain's fault, as opposed to this one company's fault. but then again the yanks always like to have one up on their motherland don't they ;)

 

he changed his mind about calling it british petroleum when it was pointed out that bp hire 20'000 americans and only 10'000 british workers

 

He is just making himself look good

 

I agree. And isn't BP 40% American owned now.....?

 

However maybe Obama's playing a bit of "tit for tat." Let's not forget Gordon Brown vocally blaming the recession and the entire financial disaster that hit the UK on "American bankers and the American sub-prime market....." rather than own up to his own inadequate and profligate fiscal policies......!!

 

Richard:chris:

This catastrophe is just another government enabled shitstorm. There are plenty of negatively skewed risks introducing moral hazards associated with off-shore drilling, like an arbitrary $75m liability cap for starts, introduced after the Exxon Valdez incident. If it catastrophically screws up, the losses and costs are socialised beyond $75m.

 

Doesn't matter who owns/runs the rigs, the entire venture is on a distorted economic footing - the cap on liability subsidises risk taking, just like how the bailouts favour casino banking. Unfortunately this event is going to enable another round of capitalist/free market bashing, when this is another textbook failure of crony-capitalism.

 

Now Obama has illegally demanded that BP be liable for more than $75m (think I read figures of around $20bn, $4bn higher than BP's 2009 total revenue). Useless governments making useless laws which they then go and break themselves.

 

If there was 100% liability from the start, that might have focused some minds concerning the catastrophic hazards associated with off-shore oil operations.

Maybe the USA will now wake up and smell the coffee that being the worlds biggest head for head oil consumer has its price.. and the fact that the shit is on its own door step will force them to re-think the global impact of there own selfish and self centerd use of fossil fuels:whistling:

Maybe the USA will now wake up and smell the coffee that being the worlds biggest head for head oil consumer has its price.. and the fact that the shit is on its own door step will force them to re-think the global impact of there own selfish and self centerd use of fossil fuels:whistling:

 

I'd like to think so too Bri - but sadly I doubt they will.......:ohmy:

 

So now Obama has cajoled BP into pledging some $13bn "deposit" in order to meet compensation claims. Great Idea in a recession:wacko:

 

So now it's unlikely that BP will be paying dividends for a few years; as a shareholder myself I won't personally miss the few pounds I receive a year. However BP share dividends pay £1 in every £6 of dividend income to British pension funds. First "Old Gordy" robbed private pensions blind, then the recession stifled any potential growth and now, just as recovery is imminent, private pension pots are set to lose 16.6667% of their investment income for the next few years.

 

Way to go......:bored:

 

Richard

Piper Alpha didn't kill thousands nor was there much need for a clean up operation. Only in the local vicinity, certainly did not affect any coastline or much in the way of marine wildlife. Death toll for the Piper Alpha killed about 150 from memory.

 

sheeesh! splitting hairs mate i was lumping both together as they are both big USA company disasters overseas...no huge slick from PA granted but one hell of a wreck to cut down still a wreck marked for shipping to this day...arguments ran for years on bhopal and the clean up...disgraceful USA companies who did their level best to avoid responsibility and pay victims in their time honored fashion.

 

Occidental has previous in this field see love canal

 

PA was (is) the world's worst off-shore oil disaster. At one time, this oil rig was the world' s single largest oil producer, spewing out 317,000 barrels of oil per day declined to 125,000 barrels by 1988

Piper Alpha was a North Sea oil production platform operated by Occidental Petroleum.

On July 6, 1988, as part of routine maintenance, technicians removed and checked safety valves which were essential in preventing dangerous build-up of liquid gas.

Within 2 hours, the 300 foot platform was engulfed in flames. It eventually collapsed, killing 167 workers and resulting in $3.4 Billion in damages

Linked gas platforms had no permission from the Occidental control centre to shut down. Also, the connecting pipeline to Tartan continued to pump, as its manager had been directed by his superior. The reason for this procedure was the exorbitant cost of such a shut down. It would have taken several days to restart production after a stop, with substantial financial consequences.

Gas lines of 140 to 146 cm in diameter ran to Piper Alpha. Two years earlier Occidental management ordered a study, the results of which warned of the dangers of these gas lines. Due to their length and diameter it would have taken several hours to reduce their pressure, so that it would not have been possible to fight a fire fuelled by them. Although the management admitted how devastating a gas explosion would be, Claymore and Tartan were not switched off with the first emergency call

 

 

 

Piper Alfa 167 + Bhopal (Madhya Pradesh) has confirmed a total of 3,787 deaths on initial leak = thousands in all

I'm fully behind BP on this, especially after the hypocritical cr*p coming out of the US.

 

For anyone who has worked in a corporate environment, sh*t happens and you just have to deal with it.

 

It's a pity no-one has the gal, morality or the authority to demand that each and every senator and congressman explain in detail (and be punished for) the disasters and atrocities that the US has been responsible for and inflicted on the world.

 

Yes, the spill is a disaster but nothing compared to what had been inflicted on the world in the name of the US.

 

An utter disgrace and as ever, we just bow our heads in fear.

I'm fully behind BP on this, especially after the hypocritical cr*p coming out of the US.

 

For anyone who has worked in a corporate environment, sh*t happens and you just have to deal with it.

 

It's a pity no-one has the gal, morality or the authority to demand that each and every senator and congressman explain in detail (and be punished for) the disasters and atrocities that the US has been responsible for and inflicted on the world.

Yes, the spill is a disaster but nothing compared to what had been inflicted on the world in the name of the US.

 

An utter disgrace and as ever, we just bow our heads in fear.

 

bit over the top for this topic dont you think mate...you dont like Americans then i gather:confused1:

bit over the top for this topic dont you think mate...you dont like Americans then i gather:confused1:

 

Not at all over the top, not when it could potentially destroy one of the few remaining British companies and in the process, have a huge impact on a large number of pension funds and the British economy generally.

 

Why should the Brits be cast as the 'evil' doers by those who have done far worse? Not a topic for a Z forum I agree, but since the thread has already started, might as well throw my 2 pennith in.

Not at all over the top, not when it could potentially destroy one of the few remaining British companies and in the process, have a huge impact on a large number of pension funds and the British economy generally.

 

Why should the Brits be cast as the 'evil' doers by those who have done far worse? Not a topic for a Z forum I agree, but since the thread has already started, might as well throw my 2 pennith in.

 

On that basis, are we still going to be angry with the Germans over WW2? I think not. The Bush administration did mess up. The Obama administration wouldn't have done what Bush did if we wound the clocks back 10 years.

 

I've worked in Corporate environments. Yes, I agree, you have to deal with shit, but when it affects others, including the natural environment, that statement goes so far out of the window, you can't see it for the dust.