hello every1,

 

just a question to see what people think,

 

i have fitted a couple of sets of turbos to zeds with engines in,

 

but everywhere i read they say the drivers side is almost impossible,

but i remove the steering bar and master cylinder and i find it fiddly but not that bad,

 

i find the passanger side is worse i have to undo 4 bolts on turbo housing which allows half the turbo to spin round so i can get to the manifold bolts and i drop the turbo and the manifold together,

 

a lot of people say you shouldnt do it with the engine in the car,

but in the manual im sure it says to remove them with the engine in the car,

i may be wrong though, and may of misread it,

 

my trade is a mechanic and when i have done them i have had an headstart as i had access to a workshop with ramps, air tools[air ratchets] and i think the biggest help is quality tools, they just seem shapped better and dont slip,

little spanners and ratchet spanners help a lot on a z too,

 

as anyone else done them and found them not to be as bad as they thought,

 

as anyone else got any views or advice they might like to give as it may help someone else with not a lot of money but dont mind getting dirty and smashing their knuckles to bits, if i couldnt work on my car myself i doubt id have it now because its hard enough to afford to get these cars how you want them without paying labour bills,and id be gutted to get rid of my z,

 

it makes you happy when you do something yourself exspecially when you save the ammount of cash that some garages charge and a lot of us who dont do a lot on our own z's probally know more then them about z's

 

anyway goodluck to anyone who as big akward dirty knuckle cracking jobs to come,

I think the response to what you have stated is 'great' and as long as it works OK and the end result means you can achieve a turbo change without taking the engine out then thats a bonus, but how long did it take you to change them. the engine can be taken out in about 1.5 hours and of course when its out you can see the backend of the engine to see what else might require attention, and then sort it. By doing the turbos in situ, that is not an option. if all else is top notch then great but from eperience that is not always the case.

Good point raised about doing stuff that you cant usually do when the engine is in, but if I knew it was possible I probably would have gone that route on mine rather than lift the engine.

it would take me a full day,

 

and can see what your saying with taking engine out, but if you had turbo failure and everything else was running ok,

 

you could go the otherway and cause more problems taking engine out like broken wiring connectors,loom,etc, where their brittle and old,

which would all be more money,

i think if funds allow you should take engine out replace everything but most people i know with z's are on a budget,

 

in a garage i think you would be looking at =

 

if you bought set of turbos [mine are turbo technics stage2 and paid 500 pound each to recon]

 

say 500 pound to remove plus refit engine,

 

then probally another 100 to fit turbos to engine,

 

thats 1600 pound without replacing anything else, to me thats every penny i earn for a month,

 

you could probally buy 2 known good used turbos 300 pounds an halfords advance tool box 200 pounds and an hard weekend on your back and have it done and still have the tool box for any other things in the futre,and 1100 pounds in your pocket,

 

all you need is a little patiance and if things get hard and you start getting stressed go in doors have a coffee relax for 5mins and you will be surprised what a clear un stressed head thinks of,

 

thank you for your reply,

Iv been banging on for ages about the benifits of doing the turbos in car. I have done dozens this way and find it not a problem. In car all the way . Daz

help me save my zed, ill pay for the help, i have turbos to go on, just didn't want to lift the engine to do it, i have looked for a step by step with engine in, but its like looking for the holy grail, even phoned dazkent yesterday for some hints and tips, but he was out.

hello mate i pm you,

i help you do it for free if you can get it to dagenham,

Iv been banging on for ages about the benifits of doing the turbos in car. I have done dozens this way and find it not a problem. In car all the way . Daz

 

thank you 4 reply, i dont think their that bad, fiddly and time consuming,

do you do it the same way,

worse bits them bits that crimp over the nuts,

pm replied terry, anyone with in reach with a trailer and something to pull it i can hire for the day?

Your only down the road from me. Always helpful to know ;)

pm replied terry, anyone with in reach with a trailer and something to pull it i can hire for the day?

 

Im getting quite handy now with the passenger side turbo in situ havent attempted the drvs side yet but im just down the road from you as well if you need a hand :)

 

Marty

I'm reasonably handy with a spanner, dont clutches gearboxes dizzys suspension brakes before etc. but never lifted an engine. Do you think it's within reach me doing a pair of turbo's? I quite fancy getting a pair of GT28r's and popping em on, buying them isn't the problem, paying for the labour to fit them is - and I wouldnt trust any garage within 200 miles of where I live.

I'm reasonably handy with a spanner, dont clutches gearboxes dizzys suspension brakes before etc. but never lifted an engine. Do you think it's within reach me doing a pair of turbo's? I quite fancy getting a pair of GT28r's and popping em on, buying them isn't the problem, paying for the labour to fit them is - and I wouldnt trust any garage within 200 miles of where I live.

 

i agree there, i don't trust garages, the MOT mine just went for; my car came back and on closer inspection, they had removed my slam panel, and when putting it back, managed to get the radiator brackets on the wrong way round? and they expect me to trust them with a turbo change? when they cant get something that simple correct.

Im getting quite handy now with the passenger side turbo in situ havent attempted the drvs side yet but im just down the road from you as well if you need a hand :)

 

Marty

 

You're more than welcome to come give a hand. though biggest problem i think we will face is keeping the elbow studs from snapping when getting the cats off, unless someone has a set going with good threads on.

I'm reasonably handy with a spanner, dont clutches gearboxes dizzys suspension brakes before etc. but never lifted an engine. Do you think it's within reach me doing a pair of turbo's? I quite fancy getting a pair of GT28r's and popping em on, buying them isn't the problem, paying for the labour to fit them is - and I wouldnt trust any garage within 200 miles of where I live.

 

if their the same size and shape turbo, shouldnt be a problem but if their bigger or needed some kind of modification might get a little tight,

 

i think my turbos are bigger but inside their stage2 turbo technics and turbo technics reckon their good for around 450bhp but i have never run over 12psi so couldnt tell you,

if you want an upgrade may be worth looking into upgrading in a similar way, that way you know their gonna go back in.

Your only down the road from me. Always helpful to know ;)

 

where abouts you from mate,

 

if i can ever help just pm me,

 

i know about cars thats my living and enough to get by on zeds,

thing is i only know how to work on standard cars dont know much about modifications,

 

thats definatley when specialist should be involved,

i agree there, i don't trust garages, the MOT mine just went for; my car came back and on closer inspection, they had removed my slam panel, and when putting it back, managed to get the radiator brackets on the wrong way round? and they expect me to trust them with a turbo change? when they cant get something that simple correct.

 

what they removing anything for, to do an mot,

as far as im aware their not to remove anything not even hub caps on the wheels to see if studs are broken,

what they removing anything for, to do an mot,

as far as im aware their not to remove anything not even hub caps on the wheels to see if studs are broken,

 

Dunno but they did, was the first thing i noticed when i popped the bonnet

You are not allowed to remove anything for the inspection itself, however VOSA introduced PRS (Passed after Rectification at Station) a while back.

 

This means that the tester can repair any minor items - so if the headlamp aim was too low for example the tester can now rectify this & will enter as a PRS. I would guess this may be what has happened in your instance if they have been trying to get to the headlamp adjusters.

Dunno but they did, was the first thing i noticed when i popped the bonnet

 

yeah they shouldnt have touched anything mate,

 

take it back and ask them why,

You are not allowed to remove anything for the inspection itself, however VOSA introduced PRS (Passed after Rectification at Station) a while back.

 

This means that the tester can repair any minor items - so if the headlamp aim was too low for example the tester can now rectify this & will enter as a PRS. I would guess this may be what has happened in your instance if they have been trying to get to the headlamp adjusters.

 

nope, my slam panel doesnt cover my headlight adjusters, only thing i could think of was him being unable to see the bonnet catch

I find the both sides not to bad to do . I don't remove the manifold on either side some modified spanners and if you drop the sub frame and inch just to the end of the threads safely it gives you a better angle on the tricky stud nuts and lock tabs .

I did ring you back vodkashots but I had missed you at that point . Daz . D2

the engine can be taken out in about 1.5 hours.

 

If the engine can be taken out in 1.5 hours why do people get charged £600 for this work. If it took 8 hours remove and refit an engine that's £75.00 an hour.:confused1:

 

Paul

If the engine can be taken out in 1.5 hours why do people get charged £600 for this work. If it took 8 hours remove and refit an engine that's £75.00 an hour.:confused1:

 

Paul

 

think thats some one saying that they could do it in 1 and 1/2 hours,

 

the price everyone i know like my cousin and friend got quoated from local garages is around 500 to remove and refit,

 

my uncles garage is 47.50 an hour labour and by what people say coming into his garage is cheaper then most in dagenham,

 

i have a look on autodata what most garages would go by and see what it says in hours,

Terry, Will be interesting to see what autodata has to say.

 

Paul

what they removing anything for, to do an mot,

as far as im aware their not to remove anything not even hub caps on the wheels to see if studs are broken,

 

They may have removed the slam panel to see the VIN plate.