personaly m8 wouldnt touch pirelli found them great in dry rubbish in wet, if you look round you'll find allthe major tyre companys have a second brand name they use these to not cheepen the 1st name, pirelli have ceat michelin-riken, continental-uniroyal pirelli now have merged or taken over goodyear the best gripping and lasting tyre we found was michelins but i've got good year on mine and they've been great hope this helps found out by working at kwik fit for 8 yrs cheers pete