The weather was perfect, the crowd were there, loads of cars of all types, good banter. We met up near Goodwood.

 

Then off to a disused airfield........

 

One for Funki si, very clean and original.

Looks a great turn out, well done everyone:cool:

any tom foolery on the air field?? if not, WHY NOT?! :D

any tom foolery on the air field?? if not, WHY NOT?! :D

yes and we all got section 59's! even those who didnt take a run up the strip!:wack:

oops!!! lol

 

 

Seizure of motor vehicles

 

59. Vehicles used in manner causing alarm, distress or annoyance

 

 

(1) Where a constable in uniform has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is being used on any occasion in a manner which - (a) contravenes section 3 or 34 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52) (careless and inconsiderate driving and prohibition of off-road driving), and

 

(b) is causing, or is likely to cause, alarm, distress or annoyance to members of the public,

 

he shall have the powers set out in subsection (3).

 

 

(2) A constable in uniform shall also have the powers set out in subsection (3) where he has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle has been used on any occasion in a manner falling within subsection (1).

 

 

(3) Those powers are - (a) power, if the motor vehicle is moving, to order the person driving it to stop the vehicle;

 

(b) power to seize and remove the motor vehicle;

 

© power, for the purposes of exercising a power falling within paragraph (a) or (b), to enter any premises on which he has reasonable grounds for believing the motor vehicle to be;

 

(d) power to use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of any power conferred by any of paragraphs to (a) to ©.

 

 

 

(4) A constable shall not seize a motor vehicle in the exercise of the powers conferred on him by this section unless - (a) he has warned the person appearing to him to be the person whose use falls within subsection (1) that he will seize it, if that use continues or is repeated; and

 

(b) it appears to him that the use has continued or been repeated after the the warning.

 

 

 

(5) Subsection (4) does not require a warning to be given by a constable on any occasion on which he would otherwise have the power to seize a motor vehicle under this section if - (a) the circumstances make it impracticable for him to give the warning;

 

(b) the constable has already on that occasion given a warning under that subsection in respect of any use of that motor vehicle or of another motor vehicle by that person or any other person;

 

© the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that such a warning has been given on that occasion otherwise than by him; or

 

(d) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that the person whose use of that motor vehicle on that occasion would justify the seizure is a person to whom a warning under that subsection has been given (whether or not by that constable or in respect the same vehicle or the same or a similar use) on a previous occasion in the previous twelve months.

 

 

 

(6) A person who fails to comply with an order under subsection (3)(a) is guilty of an offence and shall be liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.

 

 

(7) Subsection (3)© does not authorise entry into a private dwelling house.

 

 

(8) The powers conferred on a constable by this section shall be exercisable only at a time when regulations under section 60 are in force.

 

 

(9) In this section - "driving" has the same meaning as in the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52);

 

"motor vehicle" means any mechanically propelled vehicle, whether or not it is intended or adapted for use on roads; and

 

"private dwelling house" does not include any garage or other structure occupied with the dwelling house, or any land appurtenant to the dwelling house.

Edited November 2, 200817 yr by silverbullet

 

lol, whats a section 59?? and where are the pics?

 

Seizure of motor vehicles

 

59 Vehicles used in manner causing alarm, distress or annoyance

(1) Where a constable in uniform has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is being used on any occasion in a manner which—

(a) contravenes section 3 or 34 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52) (careless and inconsiderate driving and prohibition of off-road driving), and

(b) is causing, or is likely to cause, alarm, distress or annoyance to members of the public,

he shall have the powers set out in subsection (3).

(2) A constable in uniform shall also have the powers set out in subsection (3) where he has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle has been used on any occasion in a manner falling within subsection (1).

(3) Those powers are—

(a) power, if the motor vehicle is moving, to order the person driving it to stop the vehicle;

(b) power to seize and remove the motor vehicle;

© power, for the purposes of exercising a power falling within paragraph (a) or (b), to enter any premises on which he has reasonable grounds for believing the motor vehicle to be;

(d) power to use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of any power conferred by any of paragraphs to (a) to ©.

(4) A constable shall not seize a motor vehicle in the exercise of the powers conferred on him by this section unless—

(a) he has warned the person appearing to him to be the person whose use falls within subsection (1) that he will seize it, if that use continues or is repeated; and

(b) it appears to him that the use has continued or been repeated after the the warning.

(5) Subsection (4) does not require a warning to be given by a constable on any occasion on which he would otherwise have the power to seize a motor vehicle under this section if—

(a) the circumstances make it impracticable for him to give the warning;

(b) the constable has already on that occasion given a warning under that subsection in respect of any use of that motor vehicle or of another motor vehicle by that person or any other person;

© the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that such a warning has been given on that occasion otherwise than by him; or

(d) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that the person whose use of that motor vehicle on that occasion would justify the seizure is a person to whom a warning under that subsection has been given (whether or not by that constable or in respect the same vehicle or the same or a similar use) on a previous occasion in the previous twelve months.

(6) A person who fails to comply with an order under subsection (3)(a) is guilty of an offence and shall be liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.

(7) Subsection (3)© does not authorise entry into a private dwelling house.

(8) The powers conferred on a constable by this section shall be exercisable only at a time when regulations under section 60 are in force.

(9) In this section—

“driving” has the same meaning as in the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52);

“motor vehicle” means any mechanically propelled vehicle, whether or not it is intended or adapted for use on roads; and

“private dwelling house” does not include any garage or other structure occupied with the dwelling house, or any land appurtenant to the dwelling house.

beat ya to it!!! lmao

no you didn't :p

 

my post: Today, 14:28

 

your edit: Last edited by silverbullet; Today at 14:29.

your clock must be wrong:tongue:

Heres a guide of what to do at the bottom of the thread in highlighted in red if you did get a section 59

 

The Legislation:

Section 59 Police Reform Act 2002 states that -

 

Where an officer has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is being used in a manner which contravenes Road Traffic Act Section 3 (Careless Driving) OR Section 34 (Driving elsewhere than on a road) AND also the manner of use of the vehicle is causing or has been causing or is likely to cause, alarm distress or annoyance to members of the public, Section 59 can be used to:-

 

initially give a written warning (valid for twelve months)

(commonly called a Section 59 Notice)

 

and on a subsequent occasion to seize the vehicle.

(it will probably end up in the crusher, or may be ransomed back to the owner)

 

A constable in uniform has the power to order the person driving to stop the vehicle, to seize and remove the vehicle, to enter any premises on which the officer has reasonable grounds for believing the motor vehicle to be and to use reasonable force. Seizure can made only if a warning has been given, or believed to have been given, or if a warning is clearly being ignored.

 

So, usually it's a two-stage process - a warning or notice first, seizure if you persist or repeat.

 

Full text of Police Reform Act section 59 here.

Section 3 Road Traffic Act –

 

3. If a person drives a motor vehicle on a road without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he is guilty of an offence.

 

(Examples are – wheel spinning, skidding, revving engine excessivly, handbrake turns etc)

 

Section 34 Road Traffic Act (extract) –

 

34.—(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, if without lawful authority a person drives a mechanically propelled vehicle

(a) on to or upon any common land, moorland or land of any other description, not being land forming part of a road, or

(b) on any road being a Footpath, Bridleway or restricted byway,

he is guilty of an offence.

 

(So you may only drive on a 'road' - including BOATs. Note that using a Private road without permission is NOT a s.34 offence, it is a trespass, unless it happens to also be a Public Footpath etc.)

 

(2) It is not an offence under this section to drive a motor vehicle on any land within fifteen yards of a road, being a road on which a motor vehicle may lawfully be driven, for the purpose only of parking the vehicle on that land.

 

(For younger readers that's about 15m, but ONLY for parking)

Enforcement Issues:

 

This legislation includes mechanically propelled vehicles, not intended or adapted for use on the road (minimotos etc.), as well as road-legal motors.

 

Section 3 RTA will include car parks that are open to the public – and other areas where the public would be expected to have access.

 

The powers cannot be exercised unless the driver is BOTH using the vehicle anti-socially AND is committing either the section 3 or the section 34 offence. Someone driving in a way that might be considered anti-social but not committing either of these offences is not liable to having his vehicle seized, nor is someone committing a different motoring offence. Nor is someone driving sensibly on a Footpath - though of course they are still liable to 'ordinary' prosecution under s.34 RTA.

 

Note that the officer at the time of the warning only has to have ‘reasonable grounds’ for believing that one of the offences has been committed, e.g. a believable report. It may transpire later that this is or was not the case, hence the guidelines below.

 

The warning is given to both the driver and the vehicle. This means that if either are subsequently stopped then a seizure may take place even if another driver is in the original vehicle, or the original driver is another vehicle….. be warned! The warning may be verbal, with paperwork to follow, or forms filled in on the spot. In either case the constable must make it clear what is happening.

 

 

Recommended Actions:

At the ‘scene’:

Firstly remain calm and polite. Getting hot under the collar may only lead to further offences (Public Order Act or Obstruction ).

 

Establish what offence you have committed for the officer to initiate a Section 59 Warning or Seizure. It may be prudent to carry a print of the above legislation to discuss with the officer – many officers give out warnings because they have had a report of Nuisance vehicles but do not understand the legislation in its entirety.

 

Ask if the officer intends to prosecute for the offence committed (some forces have a local policy to prosecute). Remember s.59 only applies if you may have already committed an offence, which could be prosecuted for anyway.

 

Ask the officer for his force number/collar number, name, station and name of his area Commander.

 

Ask for a copy of any paperwork you are asked to sign.

 

Do not be argumentative! But do know your onions – are you on a BOAT, UCR, private road etc and is the officer aware of its status?

 

 

Subsequent action:

 

If you have clearly done something wrong and are being prosecuted – get a solicitor….

 

If you have received a Section 59 warning and are unsure why, or feel that it was unjust or issued inappropriately then you need to establish your position.

 

Write to the Area Commander at the police station/area that the warning was issued and establish exactly what offence you committed (ie. Section 3 or 34) and what action is being taken. If you know they are prosecuting you then ask for Disclosure (this may be best done through a solicitor). Disclosure will be a pack of documents outlining the Prosecution case and should include witness statements, the officers statement, video copies and such like. This will give you a picture of the case against you in order to fight your corner.

 

Often at this stage a correctly worded letter or defence statement may negate any summons or court appearance if the warning was issued incorrectly or inappropriately. Keep to the facts and do not rant and rave about your thoughts on the local constabulary….

Edited November 2, 200817 yr by steve burns

yeah another cracking meet, loads of zeds just a shame we could not all have our picture taken on the track,maybe next time.Thanks nick for arranging the meet.

well , what the policeman said to some of us was

 

he had a complaint about one car

he knew the colour but not which exact car

one idiot had spoiled it for all of us but we were all guilty by association

it was just a warning

if we didn't accept the warning he would do us for trespas as we were on a private road

 

he just noted details for all of us, no paperwork to sign

 

 

personally i thought the trespas was a bit extreme:

 

drive along normal road, pass open gate and small sign saying private road and one saying no vehicle access.(having stoped to check signs on the way out)

road has a few potholes but otherwise looks just like it did before the gate

I thought private road only refered to who maintained it (my aunt lives at the end of a private road and anyone can drive along it)

pass a number of parked cars and park on the concrete less than a meter from the road.

other cars come and park go

take some photos, leave, stop next to other parked cars, police stop for a "chat".

 

personally i wassnt too woried about a warning, however i'd hate to have my car crushed due to me sometime in the next year being associated with someone who caused offence

Edited November 2, 200817 yr by ianl

The police said he did not now if it was silver or the exact make of car

A great meet overall bar some old fuddy duddy complaining about absolutally nothing, resulting in all of us getting the fore mentioned warning, and some getting tickets issued (including me).

 

Cheers to everyone who made an effort to turn up, and sorry we couldnt get a club banner.

 

Heres some photos from the day:

 

some more:

 

and more:

 

I thing ill let Shrapnel Stu tell the story behind these injurys. Ill just say i havnt chuckled that much in ages at someone elses expense!

 

Some loverly cars there. lloks like you had a great time to :)

Great meet........had a good time today, shame about the Rozzers. Claire had a great time and loved driving my car, although thats what the copper saw i think, she was driving up and down the strip, no silly buggers.

 

Claire said our car club members all looked like normal people where as all the scooby lot etc looked like c+cks, lol. So we were the best car club there lol

 

we had a nice drive home but can't post pics till tomorrow.

 

fpmsl @stu's shrapnel

 

 

LMAO!!!!! has Stu been heading hedgehogs again???

LMAO!!!!! has Stu been heading hedgehogs again???

 

Cheers Nick32 for posting my pain, :headvswal:headvswal

the story behind it is.

We were doing fireworks last night with my family. We have a scale model of a Cannon of HMS Victory, usually we put 1 or 2 shots of blackpowder in the barrel and a bit as a fuse, stuff a load of tissue in the end to get the pressure and light. Big bang..............If a missle of type is used it will go a very very long way.(ballbearing)

But last night we put 6 or 7 shots of powder in.

 

Bet you cant guess who lit the fooking thing. lol

Luckily my eyes are intacked, but having your head hit back red hot gunpowder at 100mph that goes in like splinters, Trust me it hurts like hell.

 

Oh well a good giggle for all who saw it today.........:xxx:lol

Ta for today good fun

Cheers Nick32 for posting my pain, :headvswal:headvswal

the story behind it is.

We were doing fireworks last night with my family. We have a scale model of a Cannon of HMS Victory, usually we put 1 or 2 shots of blackpowder in the barrel and a bit as a fuse, stuff a load of tissue in the end to get the pressure and light. Big bang..............If a missle of type is used it will go a very very long way.(ballbearing)

But last night we put 6 or 7 shots of powder in.

 

Bet you cant guess who lit the fooking thing. lol

Luckily my eyes are intacked, but having your head hit back red hot gunpowder at 100mph that goes in like splinters, Trust me it hurts like hell.

 

Oh well a good giggle for all who saw it today.........:xxx:lol

 

You crazy sod!!!!

 

And nice pics, sorry i couldn't make it

oops!!! Lol

 

 

seizure of motor vehicles

 

59. Vehicles used in manner causing alarm, distress or annoyance

 

 

(1) where a constable in uniform has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is being used on any occasion in a manner which - (a) contravenes section 3 or 34 of the road traffic act 1988 (c. 52) (careless and inconsiderate driving and prohibition of off-road driving), and

 

(b) is causing, or is likely to cause, alarm, distress or annoyance to members of the public,

 

he shall have the powers set out in subsection (3).

 

 

(2) a constable in uniform shall also have the powers set out in subsection (3) where he has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle has been used on any occasion in a manner falling within subsection (1).

 

 

(3) those powers are - (a) power, if the motor vehicle is moving, to order the person driving it to stop the vehicle;

 

(b) power to seize and remove the motor vehicle;

 

© power, for the purposes of exercising a power falling within paragraph (a) or (b), to enter any premises on which he has reasonable grounds for believing the motor vehicle to be;

 

(d) power to use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of any power conferred by any of paragraphs to (a) to ©.

 

 

 

(4) a constable shall not seize a motor vehicle in the exercise of the powers conferred on him by this section unless - (a) he has warned the person appearing to him to be the person whose use falls within subsection (1) that he will seize it, if that use continues or is repeated; and

 

(b) it appears to him that the use has continued or been repeated after the the warning.

 

 

 

(5) subsection (4) does not require a warning to be given by a constable on any occasion on which he would otherwise have the power to seize a motor vehicle under this section if - (a) the circumstances make it impracticable for him to give the warning;

 

(b) the constable has already on that occasion given a warning under that subsection in respect of any use of that motor vehicle or of another motor vehicle by that person or any other person;

 

© the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that such a warning has been given on that occasion otherwise than by him; or

 

(d) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that the person whose use of that motor vehicle on that occasion would justify the seizure is a person to whom a warning under that subsection has been given (whether or not by that constable or in respect the same vehicle or the same or a similar use) on a previous occasion in the previous twelve months.

 

 

 

(6) a person who fails to comply with an order under subsection (3)(a) is guilty of an offence and shall be liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.

 

 

(7) subsection (3)© does not authorise entry into a private dwelling house.

 

 

(8) the powers conferred on a constable by this section shall be exercisable only at a time when regulations under section 60 are in force.

 

 

(9) in this section - "driving" has the same meaning as in the road traffic act 1988 (c. 52);

 

"motor vehicle" means any mechanically propelled vehicle, whether or not it is intended or adapted for use on roads; and

 

"private dwelling house" does not include any garage or other structure occupied with the dwelling house, or any land appurtenant to the dwelling house.

 

whatever!

The police said he did not now if it was silver or the exact make of car

 

Told us the one that messed it up for all of us was a white one - guess it was the woman on the push-bike that complained at someone almost hitting her and her child over :nono: - all that space to play in, ah well, shame to end a good morning like that. Nice to meet some new members, finally put faces to some names - hope to meet up again soon.

Also discovered I've got competition for driving the zed:shock:

Edited November 2, 200817 yr by moby
just adding a line or two!!!