August 15, 200718 yr I've been searching for a difinitive answer on this, and some people seem to think that radar and laser detectors are illegal, and some say this is still being discussed. What is the current legal stance on these? Thanks
August 15, 200718 yr i do know radar jammers are illegal, there is a guy currently being done for using one, even though he didnt know his car had one fitted lol
August 15, 200718 yr Author YEah i was pretty sure the jammers were illegal. So how does the use/own this work with detectors? You unplug it if you get pulled over? How dodgy is this?
August 15, 200718 yr A bit of a read but should clear it up. Are Radar Detectors legal in the UK: It is our belief however that drivers should be made aware of the speed limit before they commit an offence. Speed traps are often set up where the speed limit is decreased, i.e. from 60 to 40 mph or from a 50 - 30 mph zone. Driving in today's congested traffic conditions, often in quite a modern car, concentrating on the traffic around you or your next appointment means that it is easy to drive into a restricted zone without noticing the change in speed limits. Therefore advanced warning through radar detection could prevent you from driving dangerously...which is in everybody's interest. We have been advised that the sale, purchase and installation of a Snooper is perfectly legal. The use of one until recently may have contravened the 1949 Wireless and Telegraphy Act. We have been informed however that a judgement of the Queens Bench Divisional Court dated 29th January 1998 makes it clear that the use of Radar Detectors is not unlawful as has hitherto been claimed by some. In the past a few prosecutions have been brought by claiming the use of radar detectors was contrary to section 5(b)(i) of the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1949 as amended by section 3 of the Post Office Act 1969. However the Acts refer to the interception of wireless communications for the purpose of obtaining information as to the content, sender or addressee of any message. The Court concluded that the radar transmission was not communicating a 'message' and therefore equipment designed to detect the presence of the transmission could not decode any such message. It was further stated that section 1(1) of the Act, which requires a licence for the reception of radio signals, has been superseded by the Wireless Telegraphy Apparatus (Receivers)(Exemption) Regulations (SI 1989 No123) which exempts radar detectors and similar equipment from the need for such licenses. This information is given in good faith and we believe its accurate. We will not be responsible for any prosecution brought about by the use of a Snooper however and advise you to seek professional legal advice on all matters of law. GPS Detectors are perfectly legal. Radar Detector User Statistics - Taken from a poll conducted in the UK by MORI. 75% of users claim to be more aware of keeping to the speed limit since they purchased a detector Users claim to travel 50% further between accidents than none-users. 60% of users claim to have become a safer driver since purchasing a radar detector 75% of users have become more speed aware since purchasing a radar detector Radar detector users have 24% fewer accidents Radar detector users on average drive 73,952 miles further between accidents than non radar detector users. "JUDGE LEGALISES RADAR SPEED TRAP DETECTORS" Daily Mail - February 1998 Convicted in 1996 at Marylebone Magistrates Court for the use of an "Electrical field meter" (otherwise known as a radar detector) motorist David Foot, an electronics engineer from London, was determined not to take matters lying down. He lost a subsequent appeal in Knightsbridge Crown court in January 1997, but battled on to the Queen's Bench Divisional court for a full judicial review. There, on January 27th 1998, Lord Justice Brown found in his favour, ruling that a Radar Detector could not be used to "obtain information as to the contents, sender or addressee of any message." something which is illegal under the wireless telegraphy act of 1949. The official court report for the case was printed in The Times law report on 18th February 1998. You can read this on The Times' web site: http://www.the-times.co.uk and below. This landmark decision made Radar Detectors legal in Britain for the first time. February 18 1998 QUEEN'S BENCH DIVISIONAL COURT Radar speed guns do not send message Regina v Knightsbridge Crown Court, Ex parte Foot Before Lord Justice Simon Brown and Mr Justice Mance [Judgment January 29] Microwave radio emissions from police radar speed guns did not constitute a "message" for the purposes of section 5(b)(i) of the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1949, even within the extended meaning of "message" given by section 19(6). Accordingly, the use by a motorist of an electrical field meter to detect the presence of such emissions was not an offence under section 5(b)(i) since the device was not used "to obtain information as to the contents, sender or addressee of any message". The Queen's Bench Divisional Court so held, granting David Adrian Foot's amended application for judicial review to quash the dismissal by Knightsbridge Crown Court on January 8, 1997, of his appeal against conviction by Marylebone Justices on July 23, 1996 of an offence contrary to section 5(b)(i). Section 5 of the 1949 Act, as amended by section 3 of the Post Office Act 1969, provides: "Any person who - . . . (b) otherwise than under authority of the [Minister of Posts and Telecommunications] or in the course of his duty as a servant of the Crown, . . . (i) uses any wireless telegraphy apparatus with intent to obtain information as the contents, sender or addressee of any message . . . shall be guilty of an offence. . ." Section 19 provides: "(6) Any reference in this Act to the sending or the conveying of messages includes a reference to the making of any signal or the sending or conveying of any warning or information, and any reference to the reception of messages shall be construed accordingly." Mr Anthony Calloway for the applicant; Mr John McGuinness for the prosecution. LORD JUSTICE SIMON BROWN said that the applicant was using an electrical field meter to detect radio transmissions from radar speed guns. The device was not able to decode the transmissions. Mr Calloway submitted that the police radar gun did not send or receive messages, even within the extended meaning of that term given in section 19(6). In Invicta Plastics Ltd v Clare ([1976] RTR 251), the Divisional Court had held that those advertising such devices as the applicant's were guilty of incitement to motorists to contravene section 1(1), which required a licence for the use of such devices. However, those devices were now exempted from the need for such a licence by the Wireless Telegraphy Apparatus (Receivers) (Exemption) Regulations (SI 1989 No 123). Mr McGuinness submitted that a radar beam emitted towards a vehicle was equivalent to making a signal within the meaning of section 19(6). His Lordship disagreed. No doubt it was a signal or sign which conveyed something of meaning to another person, but Mr McGuinness did not say that it amounted to sending or conveying a "warning or information" within that subsection. His Lordship also rejected the submission that the operator was the addressee of a message, that is of information, sent back by the passing motor vehicle. A police officer beaming emissions to and receiving information from an inanimate moving object was not exchanging messages with the motor car. There could be no reception of a message save between two human operators. Tempting though it was to outlaw the anti-social use of such devices, now that they were no longer banned under section 1(1) of the Act, to do so would be to stretch the language of section 5(b)(i) to breaking point. If, as was probable, the 1989 Regulations had been brought into force without recognising the present lacuna, the matter had to be put right by a further such instrument. Mr Justice Mance delivered a concurring judgment. Solicitors: Moss Beachley & Mullem; Crown Prosecution Service, Victoria.
August 15, 200718 yr Author Thanks for that. I did actually come across that, but have to say that i really wasn't 100% convinced either way. What bothers me: -The specifically say "snooper". A snooper is a brand which (i believe) works on GPS which i know is not illegal. -The only legal precedent listed was 9 years ago, and i have heard that the laws regarding detectors were set to be reviewed recently. Has anyone who uses one had any problems when pulled over? Do you just unplug it or hide it?
August 15, 200718 yr Thanks for that. I did actually come across that, but have to say that i really wasn't 100% convinced either way. What bothers me: -The specifically say "snooper". A snooper is a brand which (i believe) works on GPS which i know is not illegal. -The only legal precedent listed was 9 years ago, and i have heard that the laws regarding detectors were set to be reviewed recently. Has anyone who uses one had any problems when pulled over? Do you just unplug it or hide it? I use a detector all the time for work, been pulled lots, never said a word to me, as far as i know.. Detectors are legal Jammers are illegal
August 15, 200718 yr But if your jammer also opens your electric garage door = not illegal! But you have to prove that you have it for that purpose
August 15, 200718 yr But if your jammer also opens your electric garage door = not illegal! But you have to prove that you have it for that purpose Yeah that is true so just buy an electric cat flap or something.
August 15, 200718 yr Author Maybe a really old one that's about to die. Then i can just say i never got around to removing the flap.
I've been searching for a difinitive answer on this, and some people seem to think that radar and laser detectors are illegal, and some say this is still being discussed.
What is the current legal stance on these?
Thanks