Says i was doing 40 in a 30

 

Bullshit was I

 

I know that for a fact as I can't get to 40 by the time I spotted them

 

****in conning ****s

DOH! :headvswal

Was it a hand held camera if so ask for proof it was calabrated that morning as it has to be or it's not a legal.

If it was hand held camera, or in a van then these are totally unreliable.

 

Write back and tell them you saw them and you were only doing 28mph and that you wish to see See.

1) what equipement type they were using.

2) How it was mounted to a static tripod or similar none movable fixture.

3) When it was last calibrated.

4) What the windspeed was that day.

5) A plan of where the gun was sighted and the angle at which the beem could therefore be aimed at your car.

6) A Copy of the manfactures operating manual, not the UK distributor.

 

If they then write back to you and tel you that they do not have to disclose any or all of the above. You just write back and ask them if the law has changed, because it clearly states that "anything you may wish to rely upon must be given in evidence. That that evidence must be made available to either planetiff or prosecution. Falure to make such evidence available renders it inadmissable in a court of law." In other words what ever equipement, or their ussage of etc must be made available for screwtany. If they do not furnish you with full information then they are denying you the oppertunatey to explore that avenue of your deffence. Therefore any finding would be unsound. However most majistrates do what the CPS tell them so You usually have to appeal. Then it gets chucked out because the equipement is not being used as proscribed by the manufacturer.

If it was hand held camera, or in a van then these are totally unreliable.

 

Write back and tell them you saw them and you were only doing 28mph and that you wish to see See.

1) what equipement type they were using.

2) How it was mounted to a static tripod or similar none movable fixture.

3) When it was last calibrated.

4) What the windspeed was that day.

5) A plan of where the gun was sighted and the angle at which the beem could therefore be aimed at your car.

6) A Copy of the manfactures operating manual, not the UK distributor.

 

If they then write back to you and tel you that they do not have to disclose any or all of the above. You just write back and ask them if the law has changed, because it clearly states that "anything you may wish to rely upon must be given in evidence. That that evidence must be made available to either planetiff or prosecution. Falure to make such evidence available renders it inadmissable in a court of law." In other words what ever equipement, or their ussage of etc must be made available for screwtany. If they do not furnish you with full information then they are denying you the oppertunatey to explore that avenue of your deffence. Therefore any finding would be unsound. However most majistrates do what the CPS tell them so You usually have to appeal. Then it gets chucked out because the equipement is not being used as proscribed by the manufacturer.

 

you have nothing to lose by trying, give it a go mush! you have everything to gain if your successful, keep us posted :)

I am going to try just that the barstard, ****in revenue collecting sons of bitches

I am going to try just that the barstard, ****in revenue collecting sons of bitches

 

 

:bow: :bow:

 

Make sure you let us know how you get on in this thread fella and see if we can get this thread made sticky if you come out on top!

 

Migth help some more of us in the future.

make sure you read this first m8,

 

http://www.300zx.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=86683&highlight=hand+held

 

and DON'T fill ANY part of the nip in, any contact you have do it by recorded post and a LETTER, again dont fill in the nip m8;)

make sure you read this first m8,

 

http://www.300zx.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=86683&highlight=hand+held

 

and DON'T fill ANY part of the nip in, any contact you have do it by recorded post and a LETTER, again dont fill in the nip m8;)

 

I'm glad yours worked out for you, but mine is a bit simpler.

 

Only I am insured to drive the car and my wife is on 'L' plates

 

I know for a fact that I wasn't at the speed they say as I had just pulled out of work and spotted them as I came over the brow of a slight hill so slowed to 20-25 as I always do, sometimes even slower.

 

Fukkers

Take the fookers out :D

 

Challenge them!

I have succesfully won six appeals relating to Vans and hand held guns. Not one I might add was actually mine. Always the little lady in her TRD. The main reason if you'll fight it and appeal, because even if you could prove you were in Timbucktoo the magistrates will doo you because the CPS (old bills mouth piece) will tel them what you say is rubbish.

 

they work on the principle that 9 out of 10 people will just pay rather than have the hassel etc, but the crown court Judges know these machines are a complete pile of shite. That it has been proven they can clock the side of a house at 58mph just because the wind is blowing at 25 mph.

 

Don't lay there and let the basterds knob you. Fight Fight Fight.

Ok I will format a letter, something like this

 

Dear Mr Furkhar

 

If you think you can prove it was me driving and it was my car then send me the furkin photos cock wipe.

 

As you may or may not know I am heavily involved with the Triads, the Mafia and the Yardies, and thats not Scotland Yardies dick snot, so you can either shut the hole in your face or use it to

 

Kiss my fat hairy arse

 

Yours speedy

Ok I will format a letter, something like this

 

Dear Mr Furkhar

 

If you think you can prove it was me driving and it was my car then send me the furkin photos cock wipe.

 

As you may or may not know I am heavily involved with the Triads, the Mafia and the Yardies, and thats not Scotland Yardies dick snot, so you can either shut the hole in your face or use it to

 

Kiss my fat hairy arse

 

Yours speedy

Yup!-that should do nicely!! :D

Ok I will format a letter, something like this

 

Dear Mr Furkhar

 

If you think you can prove it was me driving and it was my car then send me the furkin photos cock wipe.

 

As you may or may not know I am heavily involved with the Triads, the Mafia and the Yardies, and thats not Scotland Yardies dick snot, so you can either shut the hole in your face or use it to

 

Kiss my fat hairy arse

 

Yours speedy

 

Couldn't have put it better myself.

 

You really do have a poetic feel for the narative. That whilst being informative captures the essance of the mood of the moment. Your obviously a student of the super realizum movement.

 

However if I may suggest a couple of fook you coppers in there would add to the impact

Couldn't have put it better myself.

 

You really do have a poetic feel for the narative. That whilst being informative captures the essance of the mood of the moment. Your obviously a student of the super realizum movement.

 

However if I may suggest a couple of fook you coppers in there would add to the impact

 

Hey I am starting to smile at it now, just planning my revenge :rofl:

does any1 know how accurate the tracker cameras in the police traffic cars are? a friend of mine was caught doin an average of 112mph by one (the cop told him that they locked the device onto his car and they didnt even need to be in view of him to get speed information! do these exist?)...

 

admittedly this case is different to yours scrawni as he was actually travelling at that speed (he was doing 130+ but he slowed down to make a phone call :rofl: )... if he was to do the same thing, requesting calibration certificates of the device etc is there a chance he could wriggle out of it? bare in mind he cant claim he wasnt driving as the copper pulled him there and then!

 

any opinions?

 

However if I may suggest a couple of fook you coppers in there would add to the impact

 

 

nice bit of small mindedness their chap! And as for the CPS being the mouth piece of the police, you seriously need to get your facts straight before saying such utter *****cks!

 

Ill be the first to say im not a fan of some of the work that traffic police have to do, BUT they have to work with some of the most outdated bits of kit on the market and have to make do with it.

 

We (the police) dont decided who gets charged for what, CPS DECIDE EVERYTHING! and dont even get me started on magistrates, in fact dont get me started on ANY of the criminal justice system, i have to put up with them everyday.

 

Why do you think the prisons are full of some many 'lifers'? Because when the police decided who to charge, because when we had the evidence to say someone raped someones child, we put it infront of a court for them to decide, THATS WHAT THERE FOR. Now i have to go and present the evidence to some jumped up, pen pushing, statistic obsessed civi who decides whether we charge or not based LIKELYHOOD OF SUCCESSFULL PROSECUTION, rather than the merits of the evidence available.

 

The fact is we get incorrectly trained to use out of date equipment and are expected to pass our results onto a CPSite in an office far far away. and before anyone bring up the old "it pains me to see POLICE on my council tax bill", do you really think that goes anywhere street level police. GET REAL IT GOES IN A POLITICIANS BACK POCKET.

 

rant temporarily over :rant:

 

P.S if you know you werent speeding, fight the ticket all the way bud. if you were, just bite the bullet, its not exactly the biggest crime in the world

 

PC nick

does any1 know how accurate the tracker cameras in the police traffic cars are? a friend of mine was caught doin an average of 112mph by one (the cop told him that they locked the device onto his car and they didnt even need to be in view of him to get speed information! do these exist?)...

 

admittedly this case is different to yours scrawni as he was actually travelling at that speed (he was doing 130+ but he slowed down to make a phone call :rofl: )... if he was to do the same thing, requesting calibration certificates of the device etc is there a chance he could wriggle out of it? bare in mind he cant claim he wasnt driving as the copper pulled him there and then!

 

any opinions?

 

yes they do mate, and its the only up to date bit of kit we have that actually works

yes they do mate, and its the only up to date bit of kit we have that actually works

Now that worries me. Cameras that don't need to be in sight of the vehicle! Aaaarggghhhh!

 

But nice to know we have a copper on the board...

tbh i dont know how it works, but it needs an certain amount of time to "lock on" to a vehicle before it can continue to calculate its speed when line of sight is lost. very complicated stuff i can tell you that

AND I QUOTE:

 

http://www.speedcameras.org/speed-camera-news-article.php?id=117

 

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

Take this with you!!.

 

Cheers,

 

HARTY.

nice bit of small mindedness their chap! And as for the CPS being the mouth piece of the police, you seriously need to get your facts straight before saying such utter *****cks!

 

Ill be the first to say im not a fan of some of the work that traffic police have to do, BUT they have to work with some of the most outdated bits of kit on the market and have to make do with it.

 

We (the police) dont decided who gets charged for what, CPS DECIDE EVERYTHING! and dont even get me started on magistrates, in fact dont get me started on ANY of the criminal justice system, i have to put up with them everyday.

 

Why do you think the prisons are full of some many 'lifers'? Because when the police decided who to charge, because when we had the evidence to say someone raped someones child, we put it infront of a court for them to decide, THATS WHAT THERE FOR. Now i have to go and present the evidence to some jumped up, pen pushing, statistic obsessed civi who decides whether we charge or not based LIKELYHOOD OF SUCCESSFULL PROSECUTION, rather than the merits of the evidence available.

 

The fact is we get incorrectly trained to use out of date equipment and are expected to pass our results onto a CPSite in an office far far away. and before anyone bring up the old "it pains me to see POLICE on my council tax bill", do you really think that goes anywhere street level police. GET REAL IT GOES IN A POLITICIANS BACK POCKET.

 

rant temporarily over :rant:

 

P.S if you know you werent speeding, fight the ticket all the way bud. if you were, just bite the bullet, its not exactly the biggest crime in the world

 

PC nick

 

Take a chill pill buddy.

 

If you didn't have a persecution complex you'd see most of what has been said is banter. Because most people are sick of the over zelus manner that the Police are acting as Tax collectors.

 

That people are sick of the Police telling us all that the equipment they are using is infallable and that it is being used as prescribed by the manufacturers (which it isn't). That these machines according to the statements published by the Police regarding the accuracy and abilities of this equipment defy the laws of Physics.

 

Perhaps in your neck of the woods the CPS have independance to actually look at evidence and statements and then decide what shall or shall not go to court, but in my experience it is most often the police who decide to prosecute and they are represented in Courts buy CPS Solicitors are they not.

 

I also assure you here in the domain of the Mad Mulla of the traffic Talliban the CPS and the Police work as one. When Officers make ridiculous statements that just a moments thought or checking of witness statements would prevent wasting the courts time and money. Or the trauma many thousands of normal law abiding people feel when they find them selves unjustly in court or in court for situations where a caution would better serve the public good.

 

I've been in court and watched the CPS solicitors confering with Police officers about a witness or plaintiff statement during their cross examination of the witness and the Magistrates allow it to go on.

 

However most people fear retribution, hassel etc. The letters that are sent out proclaiming that should the matter go to court it will cost you a minimum of £1000 should you lose is a total misrepresentation of the law and utterly untrue. This is the thing that frightens most people away from making a stand for their legal rights. They fear the financial ramerfications should they lose and just pay up. Infact most magistrate court sentences that are appealed are thrown out due to irregularity, or misrepresentation or most common failure to furnish the Plaintiffs with all the facts that the prosecuton rely upon at the magistrates court and usually get binned without going to court.

 

We the great unwashes who you lot are supposed to be protecting and preventing serious crime seem to be fixated with squeezing easy money out of motorist.

 

Leaving the likes of my mother in a serious state because she was allegedly cought doing 34 mph in a 30 zone. Even though she was sure she hadn't and more than likely had not been speeding paid £60 and got her first ever points because she was affraid she get done a £1000 if she faut it.

 

WE ALL WANT THE SCUMBAGES THAT HARM CHILDREN, STEAL AND DAMAGE OUR PROPERTY, MUG AND MURDER INNOCENTS, STEAL OUR CARS, ROB GRANNYS ETC AND EVEN NUTTERS THAT DRIVE AT EXCESSIVE SPEEDS IN DANEROUS PLACES WERE THEY ENDANGER OTHERS LOCKED UP

 

HOWEVER WHIST THE GUYS ON THE BEAT AND GORDAN BROWNS INSPECTORS AND SUPERINTENDENTS CONTINUE TO WAGE A ZELUS TAX WAR AGAIN THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR MINOR INFRINGEMENTS THAT ARE SO COMMON AS TO BE DEEMED DEMOCRATIC ACTIONS. WHY IS IT YOU CARN'T UNDERSTAND PEOPLE DISTRUST AND DISTAIN FOR YOU.

 

MOST PEOPLE THAT WORK OPERATE A CODE OF MORAL AND CIVIL CONDUCT. IF MORE POLICE OFFICERS DID THE SAME THEY WOULD RECIEVE MORE TRUST AND RESPECT :rant:

 

That people are sick of the Police telling us all that the equipment they are using is infallable and that it is being used as prescribed by the manufacturers (which it isn't). That these machines according to the statements published by the Police regarding the accuracy and abilities of this equipment defy the laws of Physics.

 

Perhaps in your neck of the woods the CPS have independance to actually look at evidence and statements and then decide what shall or shall not go to court, but in my experience it is most often the police who decide to prosecute and they are represented in Courts buy CPS Solicitors are they not.

 

Well youve had a unique experience their chap, because the police only hvae the power to charge for certain offences without CPS. These offences are ones such as shoplifting under the value of 200 quid, criminal damage under 500quid, minor public order offences and other such 'minor crimes'

 

I also assure you here in the domain of the Mad Mulla of the traffic Talliban the CPS and the Police work as one. When Officers make ridiculous statements that just a moments thought or checking of witness statements would prevent wasting the courts time and money. Or the trauma many thousands of normal law abiding people feel when they find them selves unjustly in court or in court for situations where a caution would better serve the public good.

 

In some respects i can see where your coming from. The home office would like it to appear that the police and CPS work as one, but behind the scenes its very much a different scenario. Secondly with regard to 'minor' (not including dangerous driving and alike) traffic offences, unfortunatly the're called ABSOLUTE OFFENCES wich means that there is no statutory defence for these offences, unfortunatly mate we dont make the law, we enforce it, and whether you or i like it or not, thats our job.

 

I've been in court and watched the CPS solicitors confering with Police officers about a witness or plaintiff statement during their cross examination of the witness and the Magistrates allow it to go on.

 

In which case you will also find that the defence barrister is allowed to do the same thing, not sure what your point is there mate

 

However most people fear retribution, hassel etc. The letters that are sent out proclaiming that should the matter go to court it will cost you a minimum of £1000 should you lose is a total misrepresentation of the law and utterly untrue.

 

I will agree with you there, but once again, those letters are set out by the Home office for that exact reason, and like you i tottaly disagree with them, but unfortunatly there is nothin we can do about it, the fact that these letters are headed with the local constabularys logo on doesnt help the police public image. Like i said, couldnt agree more with you on that point

 

 

We the great unwashes who you lot are supposed to be protecting and preventing serious crime seem to be fixated with squeezing easy money out of motorist.

 

Once again i agree, but we dont make the rules. And ill also agree that there are some complete idiots in this job who make life extremely hard work for those trying to give a positive image to the public and do things how they should be done. It just seems bad word travels faster than praise, a fact of life we all have to put up with.

 

Leaving the likes of my mother in a serious state because she was allegedly cought doing 34 mph in a 30 zone. Even though she was sure she hadn't and more than likely had not been speeding paid £60 and got her first ever points because she was affraid she get done a £1000 if she faut it.

 

I for one am sorry to hear that, and reinforces that face that the politicians, sorry police officers, that run the constabularys need to re think some of there current bully boy tactics that make life as a bobby on the street trying to make a difference VERY DIFFICULT

 

WE ALL WANT THE SCUMBAGES THAT HARM CHILDREN, STEAL AND DAMAGE OUR PROPERTY, MUG AND MURDER INNOCENTS, STEAL OUR CARS, ROB GRANNYS ETC AND EVEN NUTTERS THAT DRIVE AT EXCESSIVE SPEEDS IN DANEROUS PLACES WERE THEY ENDANGER OTHERS LOCKED UP

 

HOWEVER WHIST THE GUYS ON THE BEAT AND GORDAN BROWNS INSPECTORS AND SUPERINTENDENTS CONTINUE TO WAGE A ZELUS TAX WAR AGAIN THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR MINOR INFRINGEMENTS THAT ARE SO COMMON AS TO BE DEEMED DEMOCRATIC ACTIONS. WHY IS IT YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND PEOPLE DISTRUST AND DISTAIN FOR YOU.

 

MOST PEOPLE THAT WORK OPERATE A CODE OF MORAL AND CIVIL CONDUCT. IF MORE POLICE OFFICERS DID THE SAME THEY WOULD RECIEVE MORE TRUST AND RESPECT :rant:

 

You have raised alot of points that i agree with and some i dont. The thing is, and with no disrespect intended, the public dont get to see the whole picture of how the criminal justice system works, while as a police officer i do, and youll find that 99% of street level officers feel the same as i do.

 

I also understand that i will always get stick about what i do, BUT im going to stick up for what i work hard for. It is just unfortunate that i/we feel let down by our apparent leaders who seem to be nothing but politicians with no back bone. Prime example "hug a hoodie". point made

 

in short, touschay rant returned! :nelson: :mac1:

markzx... them chill pills you offered nick... did you keep any for yourself :rofl: :D :p

markzx... them chill pills you offered nick... did you keep any for yourself :rofl: :D :p

 

Who me :rofl: :rofl:

Recently we've had no less than 4 of those MASSIVE speed detectors put up that actually show you haw fast you are (supposedly) going in numbers around a foot high and a foot wide and I tell you this, they are proper bullshit. Last night I approched one at exactly 30mph. The fooking sign flashed up 49mph for around a second, so I sped up, the sign flashed up at 59mph. I'm thinking yeah they're accurate. Slowed down to to around 35mph and the sign flashed up 27mph just as I passed it. So if it takes those signs ages to calculate speed what are the hand helds gonna be like.