Recently a kid in S.Wales, bought a 300ZX Manual TT. A couple of months after this he killed it because as it was put "the back stepped out". Now I know that 300HP rear wheel drive cars at granted the higher end of the market, regularly come with track sessions to teach the driver how to control the car.

 

Should specialist dealers offer the same thing to their customers for cars such a Zeds?

 

Should dealers not sell to the cars to kids?

 

Is it a little irresponsible?

 

No offence to dealers who, just a talking point. Kids are a little club footed and I personally find it irresponsible for them to sell a car that could kill them, or worst still someone else, as they haven't a clue how to drive them.

I agree, if a person comes in with absolutely no prior experience in a car this powerful they shouldn't be allowed to go for it

 

Same applies with hyper bikes, alot of people go straight from a cheap nasty little moped to a full fat hyper bike and end up dead.

I agree...track sessions are not expensive, and dealers can incorporate the price into the sale of the car.

 

I ride a bike, passed my test then bought a 600 super sports, and did an advanced test with the police, before I started going mental. I also had racing tuition from Ron Haslam's race school to learn my limits.

 

Is it also the insurance companies faults for even insuring the cars for kids regardless of whether the kids (or their parents) can afford it?

hmm i think you may be onto something there. it would be difficult to market the idea as a positive thing as opposed to yet more nanny state, although i do agree that someone who is a) under the age of 21 or b) never driven a car of 260bhp or more (i know its very general but this is just an idea) be taken for a compulsory track session of some sort...

...INSTEAD of doubling every poor fooker's insurance!

I'm not a dealer, but it doesn't sound as if any of you are either!

 

Dealers are in business to make money, quite a difficult thing for them to do at the moment with the depressed prices cars are selling for. Provided they abide by the law it is not fair to expect them to turn down a potential sale. Don't think I'm feeling sorry for them BUT, if you were selling your ZED would you refuse to sell it to a young person if they offered you the asking price? I don't think so. You might offer them some advice on the handling characteristics etc. but I can't see you turning a potential buyer away.

 

I think there's a lot of merit in limiting powerful cars and bikes to experienced drivers/riders, but this should be implemented via legislation not by relying on dealers to turn away legitimate business.

I'm not a dealer, but it doesn't sound as if any of you are either!

 

Dealers are in business to make money, quite a difficult thing for them to do at the moment with the depressed prices cars are selling for. Provided they abide by the law it is not fair to expect them to turn down a potential sale. Don't think I'm feeling sorry for them BUT, if you were selling your ZED would you refuse to sell it to a young person if they offered you the asking price? I don't think so. You might offer them some advice on the handling characteristics etc. but I can't see you turning a potential buyer away.

 

I think there's a lot of merit in limiting powerful cars and bikes to experienced drivers/riders, but this should be implemented via legislation not by relying on dealers to turn away legitimate business.

 

100% agree with Z32Dave! your points are all valid as to what you are trying to achieve but incorrect in the way you want to do it. imo Z32Dave is right it needs to be a legislation... such as the limit on bike power when you first pass your test 125cc + 33hp iirc? the system would not have to be complicated and would go a long way to stop...

doubling every poor fooker's insurance!

To be honest as long as the buyer has the money/insurance/licence etc to drive the car then why does the seller have the right to say he or she cant buy the car??

 

Whats to stop a 40 yr old man who has done a few track days to crash??

 

Its a mine field but its hardly the garages fault

I'm not a dealer, but it doesn't sound as if any of you are either!

 

Dealers are in business to make money, quite a difficult thing for them to do at the moment with the depressed prices cars are selling for. Provided they abide by the law it is not fair to expect them to turn down a potential sale. Don't think I'm feeling sorry for them BUT, if you were selling your ZED would you refuse to sell it to a young person if they offered you the asking price? I don't think so. You might offer them some advice on the handling characteristics etc. but I can't see you turning a potential buyer away.

 

I think there's a lot of merit in limiting powerful cars and bikes to experienced drivers/riders, but this should be implemented via legislation not by relying on dealers to turn away legitimate business.

Well said, any way if some buys a Zed they still have to be able to get insurance for it and they always ask you question concerning have you driven a car of this power before if you lie then it's up to you. Most young driver's will be priced out of the more powerfull car market any way due to the high insurance costing.

 

Any one going up a power grade or from FWD to RWD has only themselves to blame if they mess it up if they haven't first done their homework. Take responsibilitl for your own life and don't expect other's to do it for you.

 

We hear so much about individual human right's what about individual human responsibility.

hmm i think you may be onto something there. it would be difficult to market the idea as a positive thing as opposed to yet more nanny state, although i do agree that someone who is a) under the age of 21 or b) never driven a car of 260bhp or more (i know its very general but this is just an idea) be taken for a compulsory track session of some sort...

...INSTEAD of doubling every poor fooker's insurance!

 

I think experience should be the criteria rather than age. Even a thirty year old who has just passed their test could be a potential danger with a powerful car/bike.

I also think that 'power/performance' should be the criteria rather than engine size. With the engine performance enhancements now available even a reasonably small engine can be modified to high performance levels and therefore require experienced handling.

how old was the 'kid' ??

 

experience is only gained by mistakes! You live and you learn.

id say...

 

new driver first passed test regardless of age - up to 1.4 with no more than 100hp...

 

after 2years no limit.

but alot of people have had their cars for more than 2 years and the back end slips and they crash....

 

cars with power are unpredictable - now matter how long you have been driving.

 

Being a kid, he was probably fooling around IMO

WTF has it got to do with the seller?!?!? any inexperienced driver could crash regardless of age!

unless a law is passed preventing the sale of high powered cars to young drivers then i dont see that it is irresponsible!

exactly... sellers are just doing their job !!

 

if you get a 'red letter' in the post - do you blame the postman?

but alot of people have had their cars for more than 2 years and the back end slips and they crash....

 

cars with power are unpredictable - now matter how long you have been driving.

 

Being a kid, he was probably fooling around IMO

 

i agree, but at lest it gives a little time to actually learn to drive and as you say being the kid, first passed your test, first car, showing off... still a very dangerous situation even with next to no power but it goes a little way to help.

Can't blame the seller or put the onus on them.

 

Some sort of law should prevent inexperienced drivers getting fast cars too soon, as several people have suggested.

exactly... sellers are just doing their job !!

 

if you get a 'red letter' in the post - do you blame the postman?

 

no, you pay your bill quick before the baylifts arrive! :p :slap: :rofl:

no, you pay your bill quick before the baylifts arrive! :p :slap: :rofl:

 

:slap: :rofl:

 

 

 

ok a law to stop youngsters or unexperienced drivers from getting fast cars.

 

so how do you know when your finally experienced?

 

people have had zeds for half my life and they still crash and they are in their 40's / 30's .......

 

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Recently a kid in S.Wales, bought a 300ZX Manual TT. A couple of months after this he killed it because as it was put "the back stepped out". Now I know that 300HP rear wheel drive cars at granted the higher end of the market, regularly come with track sessions to teach the driver how to control the car.

 

Should specialist dealers offer the same thing to their customers for cars such a Zeds?

 

Should dealers not sell to the cars to kids?

 

Is it a little irresponsible?

 

No offence to dealers who, just a talking point. Kids are a little club footed and I personally find it irresponsible for them to sell a car that could kill them, or worst still someone else, as they haven't a clue how to drive them.

 

There is a point to be made here but not the one you are making.

Why should some one else always resposible for other people's actions?

If I sold you a kitchen knife legally for use in a kitchen and you go stab some one, why should I be resposible?

 

Its about time people took resposibility for what THEY did.

 

The point should be, should there be a power restirction on cars on new drivers like there are for bikes?

The point should be, should there be a power restirction on cars on new drivers like there are for bikes?

 

i dont think it will make a difference..... coz like i've been trying to say is that even people driving for years and years fool about in a car - oops back end lost it and they crash.

 

why blame new drivers when old drivers do it too :nono:

 

I've had my licence for 9 years now.... and i still fook about on the road and sh1t myself too.... and one day i will probably lose it - and thats when i will learn my lesson.

 

I think that they should do and drive what they want.... .but when they fook up - lesson - ban em, fine em, and lock em up - coz they are a hazard!

 

HPIE FOR PRIME MINISTER! :D

There is a point to be made here but not the one you are making.

Why should some one else always resposible for other people's actions?

If I sold you a kitchen knife legally for use in a kitchen and you go stab some one, why should I be resposible?

 

Its about time people took resposibility for what THEY did.

Here here!

There is a point to be made here but not the one you are making.

Why should some one else always resposible for other people's actions?

If I sold you a kitchen knife legally for use in a kitchen and you go stab some one, why should I be resposible?

 

Its about time people took resposibility for what THEY did.

 

The point should be, should there be a power restirction on cars on new drivers like there are for bikes?

 

I understand where you and hunnipie are coming from and if it was only the driver who suffered I might agree with you, but so often the inexperienced driver also kills/injures the passenger(s) and innocent bystanders.

Whilst we must protect the rights of individuals we also need to protect the community as a whole.

and besides, such a high percentage of accidents are new drivers, so it can only help prevention!

many members here have had accidents where the cars are written off. Are they all youngsters? Should they all have been banned from owning fast cars/ Life is life, accidents happen. Not the dealer's responsibility.

My mate died in a 1.1 escort with wont pull your forskin back power

ok i think we've established that the dealers shouldnt be responsible for selling high-powered cars to young/inexperienced people, unless its made law. i think we've also established that ANYONE can have an accident, regardless of age, experience and what car they were driving.

However I think it's a good COMMON SENSE move not to let a teenager or someone of any age who has just passed their test, for 'x' number of months not to go out and buy a powerful car. i think this move will help to reduce accidents.