i know this has probably been done to death, but was looking at some old mags earlier and noticed that compared with the more obvious "supercars" of its day the z32 stands up pretty well.

for instance look at these stats:

 

Lamborghini Diablo 0-60 4.3secs

Lamborghini Countach 0-60 4.9secs

Lotus Esprit turbo 0-60 4.9 secs

Honda NSX 0-60 5.2 secs

Porsche 911turbo 0-60 5.3secs

Nissan 300ZX TT 0-60 5.5secs

Ferrari 308 GTS 0-60 5.5secs

Ferrari 348 tb 0-60 5.6secs

Ferrari testarossa 0-60 5.7secs

Porsche 944turbo 0-60 5.7secs

 

be interesting how many secs it is off the modern day versions of the above cars.

im not sure myself if it could be classed as a "supercar" becuase of the price tag, maybe if Nissan had put an extra £50k on top of the £35k than it would have been.

but it performs like a "supercar" and looks like a "supercar" so 2 out of 3 aint bad, so for now i think il say its a definate supercar of the 90s at least.

what you reckon.

cheers

Si

I wouldn't say the 300 is in the same league as the NSX ? no offence like :) the NSX is still highly desirable in Japan even now (hence the difficulty to get them here) whereas the 300 has been left in the shadows somewhat (but lucky us as we get them lots cheaper then :) )

 

I dont think people appreciate how good a car the zed is anywhere near as much as they should, but unfortunately there's a reason the zed is in the £2-5k price range, skylines £6-35k plus and NSX £15k-big bucks ranges, and its due to a lot more than 0-60 figures.

 

Like you say dude, it's all down to desirablity....

Good point what you are getting at, but I was trying to come from a non emotional angle if you know what I mean? purely for discussion sake on the forum really (obviously I love the Zed). I'd say its still very desirable in Japan due to its performance not its brand name?

Good point what you are getting at, but I was trying to come from a non emotional angle if you know what I mean? purely for discussion sake on the forum really (obviously I love the Zed). I'd say its still very desirable in Japan due to its performance not its brand name?

 

I think it's a love hate thing with the 300ZX really, If the rolls we're reversed and we all drove around in NSX's instead becuase they depreciated in value rather than the 300ZX and the 300ZX was a rarer beast would be all wanting to be in a 300ZX instead???? Generally I know the NSX is a quick car but a 300ZXTT can be a lot quicker...

Isn't that the whole point though? The zed DOESN't outperform a supercar in every way. It goes 0-60 in a straight line almost as fast. It doesn't handle the same , and it doesn't give the same driving experience in many more ways than I understand. Maybe the problem is the term 'supercar' which is b*llocks really? I personally would call a new ferrari, porsche,lambo, etc a supercar ie close to 100k but others say cars of much less value are supercars. A zed would p*ss all over just about any older supercar but thats pretty pointless to me.

 

The Zed has to be the best value performance car around, and was better than most of its contempories at release date but it is what it is - a very high performance ROAD car. My Rx7 eats the zed for breakfast in terms of performance and handling but I'd rather have the Zed for a long journey any day. A 1990-95 porsche 911 is a much better track car than the Zed, I'd say that the Zed is an as good as or better road car though but I've not got the experience to judge.

 

edit - sure I had a point to make there but got lost in my ramblings! I think we should appreciate the cars for what they are :) I'd like to buy a caterham next as it'll go round a track faster than anything else :), wouldn't drive it across the country though.

 

I think your mad :rofl: But thats one of your best qualities. Anyone who can go for a 2 mile swim before breakfast cannot be sane and your point is good BUT! We all love our 300zx's and whatever else we own (RX7 being no exception) if we wish to lable that car with a "supercar" tag then I think thats fine. I have no argument with the fact that the 300 is not a supercar (public opinion) but I also think that all the above mentioned cars from the 80's and 90's that ARE "supercars" are inferior to the nissan in every way the porche 928 for one is a true piece of shite and if that can be called a supercar (classic as it may be) then so can my 300ZX. I will race anything and if I loose it wont matter because I will be too busy looking good to care. Anyway although this debate could go on forever I think we (the royal we) LOL. can agree on one thing..................This aint a ferrari forum so fook ferrari and the £100's of K price tag.

I get just as many admiring looks everytime I take my "SUPERCAR" out for a drive. :bow:

 

I still think your mad....... :duffer:

SORRY BUT! further more Sara said that ferrari's and lambo's have built up a reputation and that in her opinion makes them better. (I THINK) but the problem lies in the word Japanese. The motorcycle industy was exactly the same. "British bikes are best" B0ll0x are/were they. British bikes had a long term reputation and people dont like change especially if it comes from japan. I have always loved Jap bikes and I think they make the best in the world. sod Italian bikes I just dont like them. Although Aprillia do a good range now they have copied the Jap style. I wont be beaten back on this either I have over 30 years of riding under my belt and I know what I am talking about. The japanese make things...ALL THINGS better than anyone else and for half the price. the sooner we face up to that fact the better.

 

Thats me off to bed now I will catch the flack later :bow: :bow: :duffer: :wack:

sorry but a Z cant be put in the same category as a Ferrari or a Lambo etc, they only similarities the three share are that they are cars. Ferarri etc have built up a reputation and desirability, performance wise Zeds are spot on but the do not carry the Kudos of the other two and in all honesty do not have the same wow factor. its all about labelling and branding at the end of the day, Nissans are mass produced. Supercars are not made for the public but for the elite few that can afford them and such is reflected in the styling and desirability

 

except for 1 point.

 

Id be able to afford a enzo for every £ someone asked, Is that a Ferrari?

As to cudos for making sports cars.

 

240Z - 260z

Skyline

300z

 

 

Every single one was groupnd breaking in one major way or another. All are in classic sportscar books and in 3 the 300z is listed as a classic GT Supercar.

 

But I realy coulnd care less. personaly I love the car despite its tag. And no doubt will still own it in another 20 years time.

The best zed misnaming I had was a mature couple walking past my car the wife asked "what car is that dear" he said to her knowingly "It's a Zonda".

 

I was then walking back to my car pissing myself

Completely agree with you Vini :) I just thought it made for interesting discussion. The Japs are far superior at making just about anything, I'm a huge fan of their engineering values. Although I'd be talking sh*te if I said I wouldn't swap a Zed for a half decent ferrari, it would have to be a decent one :-) I met a guy with an older ferrari a few months back (can't remember the model but was the ones you get for about 20k odd) and TBH everything about the zed was better: The bodywork was far superior (ferrari looked very shabby), power was massively better, and going by the shabbyness of the ferrari I'd say the handling was probably much better as well. I was very proud that my 5.5k zed could outshine a £25k ferrari in every way, and the owner knew it as well.

Thats what I like so much about the Zed and other Jap cars, a 5k one can outshine a so called supercar :) .

Anyhows I'm off for my morning 2 mile swim in the lake haha

The best zed misnaming I had was a mature couple walking past my car the wife asked "what car is that dear" he said to her knowingly "It's a Zonda".

 

I was then walking back to my car pissing myself

Love it !

a 1990 Porsche 911 or a 1990 Ferrari 348 tb drives no diferent to 300zx only diference is its a Z on the steering wheel not a pranceing horse! its more the fact your driving a "Porsche" or a "Ferrari" that makes it diferent!

 

Well I have driven a Ferrari 348 (last week infact) and would say its not as powerful as my Zed and not as quick in a straight line but after that the Ferrari was better balanced, much easier to commit to corners, could get the power down quicker out of the corners and just felt more like a race car. I'm sure I would do quicker lap time in the Ferrari on almost all race tracks than i could in my Zed. Having said that the Zed in a ten times better every day performance car and there are many better trackday cars than the ferrari, but the Zed isn't in that league.

 

I've driven quite a few Porsches, two of my best friends own a few. The old 911 were abismal things to drive, but the 996 and 997 are reall Supercars even though on a straight and not too twisty road I can kill em both as i do, but my zed aint standard and a 997 with the Porscher Challenge set up would eat my Zed up

 

Sorry I think your dreaming. The Zed is a great performance car and I love mine to bits, even when its in bits but it could never be in the same league as the above company.

Isn't that the whole point though? The zed DOESN't outperform a supercar in every way. It goes 0-60 in a straight line almost as fast. It doesn't handle the same , and it doesn't give the same driving experience in many more ways than I understand.

 

Exactly

 

The problem is too many people here are speaking without having experienced what a Supercar is. Price tag has nothing to do with it.

 

The Noble is a proper Supercar and only costs £49K which if you work out the inflation rates over the last 17 years. Then you'll realize that A) the Zed was bloody expensive in its time and B) the Noble is cheeper than the Zed was to buy new.

Has anyone looked up the dictionary what the word "SuperCar" actually means yet... Be interesting to know what defines a super car!! Was the 300ZX just a "wannabe" supercar then?? Many of us have upgraded the standard car to give supercar performance... Why do we compaire them to MR2 Turbo's sometimes and Scoobies etc then if our cars are Super??!!!

Has anyone looked up the dictionary what the word "SuperCar" actually means yet... Be interesting to know what defines a super car!! Was the 300ZX just a "wannabe" supercar then?? Many of us have upgraded the standard car to give supercar performance... Why do we compaire them to MR2 Turbo's sometimes and Scoobies etc then if our cars are Super??!!!

 

Thats the point. We can make em Quick , but we carn't give them Supercar performance

Has anyone looked up the dictionary what the word "SuperCar" actually means yet... Be interesting to know what defines a super car!! QUOTE]

 

Found this.......................

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar

wasnt the ferrari of the time the 348TB/TS? if i remember correctly, 0-60 times between that and the zed and power is similar.

 

http://www.dropbears.com/m/models/ferrari/348tb.htm

 

looking at figures and taking into consideration what royal said above, the zed can really hold its own against the ferrari of its time.

wasnt the ferrari of the time the 348TB/TS? if i remember correctly, 0-60 times between that and the zed and power is similar.

 

http://www.dropbears.com/m/models/ferrari/348tb.htm

 

looking at figures and taking into consideration what royal said above, the zed can really hold its own against the ferrari of its time.

 

Drive both then give an honest answer

true true, figures are just figures at the end of the day.

ok my turn to join this debate. I owned a 25th anniversary lamborghini countach. To me that was a supercar only because it was near impossible to drive. practicallity is nil. reliablity is nil..... most supercars are for teen age boys to post a pic on there wall.... and dream. do we find a 300 on anyones wall?

 

the 300 is too practical, reliable and to comfortable.

 

Its a great car but defo not a supercar!

 

oh yeah... someone said about the rx7 out performing the 300... I totally agree! I had a 2nt gen twin turbo which was miles quicker than any 300 zx i have heard about so far... but I still love my 300zx... I get the same amount of looks.. and parts are cheaper than the rx7!

ok my turn to join this debate. I owned a 25th anniversary lamborghini countach. To me that was a supercar only because it was near impossible to drive. practicallity is nil. reliablity is nil..... most supercars are for teen age boys to post a pic on there wall.... and dream. do we find a 300 on anyones wall?

 

the 300 is too practical, reliable and to comfortable.

 

Its a great car but defo not a supercar!

 

oh yeah... someone said about the rx7 out performing the 300... I totally agree! I had a 2nt gen twin turbo which was miles quicker than any 300 zx i have heard about so far... but I still love my 300zx... I get the same amount of looks.. and parts are cheaper than the rx7!

 

you got it about right there. The Ferrari 348 I drove belonged to a lad whos just bought a Countach. It looks a real pile of crap. He said its crap to drive and always breaking down. where are the Ferrari has been a joy to own.

 

I ask why then is he selling the Ferrari? He said the countach turns more heads.

 

i've never driven a Lambo so I carn't coment other than say the build quality looks like it was built by Reliant while everything about the Ferrari is quality finish and very tacktile like a real dirty woman.

Its a good debate that will never end, but I don't believe its a supercar because its not exclusive enough.

i know this has probably been done to death, but was looking at some old mags earlier and noticed that compared with the more obvious "supercars" of its day the z32 stands up pretty well.

for instance look at these stats:

 

Lamborghini Diablo 0-60 4.3secs

Lamborghini Countach 0-60 4.9secs

Lotus Esprit turbo 0-60 4.9 secs

Honda NSX 0-60 5.2 secs

Porsche 911turbo 0-60 5.3secs

Nissan 300ZX TT 0-60 5.5secs

Ferrari 308 GTS 0-60 5.5secs

Ferrari 348 tb 0-60 5.6secs

Ferrari testarossa 0-60 5.7secs

Porsche 944turbo 0-60 5.7secs

 

be interesting how many secs it is off the modern day versions of the above cars.

im not sure myself if it could be classed as a "supercar" becuase of the price tag, maybe if Nissan had put an extra £50k on top of the £35k than it would have been.

but it performs like a "supercar" and looks like a "supercar" so 2 out of 3 aint bad, so for now i think il say its a definate supercar of the 90s at least.

what you reckon.

cheers

Si

 

Just found this on the web :eek:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_supercars

The best zed misnaming I had was a mature couple walking past my car the wife asked "what car is that dear" he said to her knowingly "It's a Zonda".

 

I was then walking back to my car pissing myself

 

LOL...not 5 mins ago I had two teenagers outside the local shop saying the same thing while I was getting in the zed. "its got a Z on the bonnet, so I think its a Zonda"

LOL...not 5 mins ago I had two teenagers outside the local shop saying the same thing while I was getting in the zed. "its got a Z on the bonnet, so I think its a Zonda"

 

I wish

lol im gonna have to put a Z badge on my bonnet now

Markzx

 

You seam to be one of the very few people on here who actualy know what a supercar really is.

 

Cant believe this argument is still going on, or even began.

 

The 300zx is NOT a supercar. End of story.