Fair play, the Government's looking after us again just like Nanny. I bet most of the technology will be used to measure point-to-point speeds which probably the reason why Brunstrom isn't supporting new speed cameras. :xxx:

 

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1222-04.htm

Fair play, the Government's looking after us again just like Nanny. I bet most of the technology will be used to measure point-to-point speeds which probably the reason why Brunstrom isn't supporting new speed cameras. :xxx:

 

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1222-04.htm

 

 

bunch of snivelling nosey C**** proper infrigment of privacy.. time to dig out false plates .. that is bang out of F*****G order.. sorry but things like that realy get up my nose

I bet most of the technology will be used to measure point-to-point speeds [/url]

 

Quite likely, they've already admited to the following:

 

>In addition to cross-checking each number plate against stolen and suspect >vehicles held on the Police National Computer, the national data centre will also >check whether each vehicle is lawfully licensed, insured and has a valid MoT >test certificate.

 

Make sure your tax or MOT doesn't run out by a day or two :eek: !! B@stards :mac1:

its designed for "public protection" :xxx: in movies, all the corrupt government officials say that.

 

oh and i hope no crims read this post but, perhaps changing your number plates periodically would f**k everything up. another £24m down the drain.

 

:xxx:

Dave

 

i think its bang out of order .. its probably been designed to keep tabs on anyone who has had an iccident with the law, i am sick and tired of getting tugged n seached by the old bill for an offence that happened b4 my daughter was born ( was caught with an offensive weapon and assault on a copper) but in my eyes anyone who talks to you like shit deserves a slap ..in a uniform or not.. its not crime prevention its just another way of gettin more coppers off the beat and doing paperwork rather than actualy bein seen to do some workwhen my TT was stolen from a carpark 4 years ago it was parked under a CCTV camera and the police gave me some crap that they didnt have the manpower to rake thru videos

 

This country has gone to pot .. what with the influx of asylum seakers and now the EU borders are open .. well what can i say .. you cant even fly your own flag these days without it upsetting someone, it makes me sad that as an englishman i cant fly the st georges cross without getting abuse .. you have to fly the union jack for and england game now ... which is wrong as it supports the whole united kingdom , england ,scotland ,ireland etc ... england is my home country and was always proud .. but how can i be an englishman if i have to declare im british?

 

bit deep that but hey lol

fooking well said bud 100% im of to cyprus with my union jack shorts and england tops if they dont like it ,tough shit

I personally don't care, if you aren't doing anything wrong you will not get any problems. They can introduce identity cards and I won't lose any sleep, none of these things take away your identity. They are designed to make it harder for the "criminals" and result in a safer country for the law abiders. People need to stop being paranoid.

I personally don't care, if you aren't doing anything wrong you will not get any problems. They can introduce identity cards and I won't lose any sleep, none of these things take away your identity. They are designed to make it harder for the "criminals" and result in a safer country for the law abiders. People need to stop being paranoid.

 

Thats rubbish its a matter of principal, i have the right to go about my business without being monitored, filmed or photographed. This will not effect the scum bags for 2 reasons. firstly people like that wont even have the id cards or register cars in their own names and secondly the law is too soft to do anything with them if they are caught.

The government will NEVER do anything just for our benefit, any changes will always generate them more income and where will that come from? yeah the normal working guy who goes 5mph over the speed limit or lets his road tax get one day out of date.

As I said...

...People need to stop being paranoid.

prat

prat

 

 

Always a good argument :rofl: :rofl:

"Prat" - Strong words, well evidenced. :x:

There is also the Data Protection Act which will prevent access to such information without justifiable cause. ie Speeding will not be in the public interest because of the overwhelming amount of people who do and the amount of work involved pursuing it, however they would maybe go through data to locate a murderer who was driving a red F reg Ford Escort through Sheffield, for one possible example.

Any government project that involves those new fangled things called computers will be vastly over budget and a complete cock up. ID cards alone will cost each person £500. Version 1.0 no doubt will be hackable and taken to peices by the geeks.

well for my 2p....IIRC the general idea is being used by some 700 norwich union customers already so they can insure cars by use (milage)...also its worth noting many crims do use cars to carry out crime and would have some benefit in proving the whereabouts of suspects etc...and Peter Sutcliff was arrested by traffic cops yampi (if it helps)

:D

The data protection act offers no protection at all to the public where we are talking about the government, police, inland revenue and all other governmental bodies, there is a list of exemptions to the act as long as your arm.

A nanny state is a bad thing, the solution is not cameras and cards it is to get bone idle coppers out of their cars and onto the street and deal with the scumbags by locking them up, not monitoring innocent people looking for the opportunity to fine them for minor offences.

The data protection act offers no protection at all to the public where we are talking about the government, police, inland revenue and all other governmental bodies, there is a list of exemptions to the act as long as your arm.

A nanny state is a bad thing, the solution is not cameras and cards it is to get bone idle coppers out of their cars and onto the street and deal with the scumbags by locking them up, not monitoring innocent people looking for the opportunity to fine them for minor offences.

 

I do believe the DPA would apply to all those agencies. Does anyone on the forum work in any of those fields and could add there knowledge of DPA?

"Prat" - Strong words, well evidenced. :x:

There is also the Data Protection Act which will prevent access to such information without justifiable cause. ie Speeding will not be in the public interest because of the overwhelming amount of people who do and the amount of work involved pursuing it, however they would maybe go through data to locate a murderer who was driving a red F reg Ford Escort through Sheffield, for one possible example.

 

Two things, apparently 70,000 people received speeding fines in North Wales, the population is 330,000. So they obviously will pursue most cases.

 

Also, have you ever let your Tax or MOT lapse by a day or two? With all the pressures of modern day living, I'm sure most people do on occasion. Each & everyone of those people probably including yourself one day will be nicked!

 

I think it's a bad idea. If it was just being used for catching criminals I'd think it was a cracking idea. Just another police/government scam to rob the tax paying law abiding citizen! :mac1:

Also, have you ever let your Tax or MOT lapse by a day or two? With all the pressures of modern day living, I'm sure most people do on occasion. Each & everyone of those people probably including yourself one day will be nicked!

 

you're given 2 weeks extra leeway on tax discs its on the guidence notes regarding tax discs renewals

The DPA website lists under exemptions

 

Crime and taxation. 29. - (1) Personal data processed for any of the following purposes-

 

(a) the prevention or detection of crime,

(b) the apprehension or prosecution of offenders, or

© the assessment or collection of any tax or duty or of any imposition of a similar nature,

this data can be used by any relevant authority

 

"relevant authority" means-

(a) a government department,

(b) a local authority, or

© any other authority administering housing benefit or council tax benefit

 

So the government have every get out clause in the book, and speeding or road tax would fall into these categorys.

you're given 2 weeks extra leeway on tax discs its on the guidence notes regarding tax discs renewals

 

I thought they'd done away with the 14 days leeway a while back, I stand corrected.

Is there leeway with MOT at all? That's the thing you're most likely to let lapse.

Well I for one have to abide by the DPA and that is reinforced by the Human Rights Act, I do work for one of those agencies and feel that some people try to argue there beliefs on their personal feelings as opposed to fact.

the biggest threat from this is really one of administration and crunching really big sets of data...i mean put up 100,000 or 1,000,000 cctv's....then a crime is committed...how long do you need to trawl through this just looking for evidence...this was why the govt was asking for 9 months without charge for terrorist suspects because of the sheer volume of pics from London CCTV's...let alone those which folks submitted stuff from their mobiles pda's etc...i think you will see the police revert back to tried and trusted methods because this will make their lives hell...so effectively it will be a white elephant...or a black hole of info and pics from which nothing will return

the biggest threat from this is really one of administration and crunching really big sets of data...i mean put up 100,000 or 1,000,000 cctv's....then a crime is committed...how long do you need to trawl through this just looking for evidence...this was why the govt was asking for 9 months without charge for terrorist suspects because of the sheer volume of pics from London CCTV's...let alone those which folks submitted stuff from their mobiles pda's etc...i think you will see the police revert back to tried and trusted methods because this will make their lives hell...so effectively it will be a white elephant...or a black hole of info and pics from which nothing will return

 

Someone who sees the bigger picture!

Well I for one have to abide by the DPA and that is reinforced by the Human Rights Act, I do work for one of those agencies and feel that some people try to argue there beliefs on their personal feelings as opposed to fact.

 

That was not personal feelings it was cut and paste from the governments own data protection act website.

So i would assume that it is fact

Someone who sees the bigger picture!

 

ANPR has been in use for some years now and shows no signs of being a "White Elephant". ANPR is in use daily, tracking untaxed vehicles etc. It is likely to prove inaccurate as far as criminals are concerned because many of them swap plates or use stolen cars which is why I have concluded that it is an extension of the mobile and static ANPR system in use today.

 

Electronically it's simple, the CCTV cameras already exist, all that's required is a networked computer to scan the video signals at each site, OCR the plate and transmit it's time/location to a central database, not rocket science IMO.

oh for sure its not a white elephant on its own ANPR but 1,000,000 cars doing 1000 trips past 1000 cctv's is a very big number indeed...and will take time to filter when cross referencing with other data not linked to car crime per say...i mean how many years has it been since fingerprints were going to be on a national database and that is just 10 x 60 million?...gave up and went to DNA databases it would seem...all IMHO.....:)