i didn't post after the tragedy last week,

mostly as i thought some of the comments were a bit ott, some understandable, but mainly as it was to soon after to have an objective view,

seems from the news now that they were suicide bombers, and british born, so blows out of the water those who reckon it was lax imigration to blame, also police have raided house in west yorks' if it's all true, then a big well done to them for acting so quickly, lets not turn this into another THEM post, but hope it gives our security forces clues in how to avoid this again, not sure it can ever be stopped, for the determined but hopefully they will also see THEIR way will never get them ANYTHING

just catching up on all this (stuff) it seems a lot of bans are being called for in the wake of this outrage....all banning actually achieves is the abdication of responsibility and the illusion we can go about our lives safe in the knowledge all is well until the next time...which means a new ban....see dangerous dogs, foxhunting, pervo's working with kids and guns etc...(we're still getting folks shot, kids attacked, foxes chased and dogs killing aren't we?)...lets face it truely physcotic people can carry out outrages because they have no conscience or fear of consequences....these guys in London are in that camp and there could be as many as 1 in 1000 people with such tendencies...no law or threat of punishment is gonna divert them...and they come from all races and religions...dont foget the 7 steps to tyranny...basic rule of responsibility applied in the right way allows ordinary folks to the most outrageous things...see any number of recent wars...bosnia..rwanda..1940's Europe...Japan...loads of men and women committed far worse outrages (than 7/7, 9/11) and went home to lead peaceful unremarkable lives....

anyway must go...i've got a cab to drive

Hello mate. I see where you are coming from and of course I agree with you. The majority of people killed in the bombings (sorry for the loss of your friends) may not have been white or English. My point is that the extremist aim thier anger at the white English (among others) As I have said it is without doubt not the way of Islam to kill inocent people. particularly women and children. Only the people that would kill you? I have heard it said? So please dont get me wrong. I lay blame with the bombers not the muslims. even though the bombers are muslims. One bad apple and all that?

 

Their anger is not aimed at White English, it is aimed at our goverment.

 

The Goverments of Western Europeans (Be that of Any Race or Religeon!)who have invaded their homelands and killed thier people, and continue to occupy their country.

Their anger is not aimed at White English, is aimed at our govermenrs. The Goverments of Western Europeans (Be that of Any Race or Religeon!)who have invaded their homelands and killed thier people, and continue to occupy their country.

 

So why aint they the ones getting blown up then mate?

So why aint they the ones getting blown up then mate?

 

Many many innocent lives have also been taken in their country, during the war, this is revenge and a message to our goverment to leave their country.

 

Its taken them many years to manage to pull this off, who knows how many other failed attempts have been made that has been prevented by our Intelligence services.

 

Its more about disrupting the country and making themselves heard than the number of people killed. They could of killed many more than they did.

Many many innocent lives have also been taken in their country, during the war, this is revenge and a message to our goverment to leave their country.

 

Its taken them many years to manage to pull this off, who knows how many other failed attempts have been made that has been prevented by our Intelligence services.

 

Its more about disrupting the country and making themselves heard than the number of people killed. They could of killed many more than they did.

 

I will let other people make what they will of what you have just said mate?

 

I dont know you but I have had this arguement about 9/11 with my work mate (a Muslim). We are still mates tho'. so cant have been that bad.

Many many innocent lives have also been taken in their country, during the war, this is revenge and a message to our goverment to leave their country.

 

Its taken them many years to manage to pull this off, who knows how many other failed attempts have been made that has been prevented by our Intelligence services.

 

Its more about disrupting the country and making themselves heard than the number of people killed. They could of killed many more than they did.

 

Hello!!!Can you smell the coffee?

 

This is their country so what are you talking about.

 

If what you are saying had the slightest vain of truth then why didn't they go and blow up Iraqis and Afganis before the War when Sadam Hussan and the Mujaadene (however you spell it) murdered 100's of thousands of fellow muslims who just happen to be from the wrong Tribe. Again sanctioned by Clerics who wanted to acheive more power and there's no oil in Afganistan + Why are these funimentalist (mental being the operative word) killing dozens of innocent Iraqis every day with suicide bombing missions. (because their pi55ed at American killing their countrymen. So Hey lets show those Yanks how to kill our own countrymen) That argument has no glue.

 

Sorry mate I belive that it's just a convenient excuse. Just as the 7 day war was or the golden temple or that many things. You only need to get a 20th centuary history book out. Terrorism is a product of TV and did not exist prior, because it needs media pictures other wise it isn't affective. It allow minorities a feeling of power and has nothing to do with anything, but wanting power.

Ive got my thoughts some have got others...

So why aint they the ones getting blown up then mate?

Would that be a bad thing?

Hello!!!Can you smell the coffee?

 

This is their country so what are you talking about.

 

If what you are saying had the slightest vain of truth then why didn't they go and blow up Iraqis and Afganis before the War when Sadam Hussan and the Mujaadene (however you spell it) murdered 100's of thousands of fellow muslims who just happen to be from the wrong Tribe. Again sanctioned by Clerics who wanted to acheive more power and there's no oil in Afganistan + Why are these funimentalist (mental being the operative word) killing dozens of innocent Iraqis every day with suicide bombing missions. (because their pi55ed at American killing their countrymen. So Hey lets show those Yanks how to kill our own countrymen) That argument has no glue.

 

Sorry mate I belive that it's just a convenient excuse. Just as the 7 day war was or the golden temple or that many things. You only need to get a 20th centuary history book out. Terrorism is a product of TV and did not exist prior, because it needs media pictures other wise it isn't affective. It allow minorities a feeling of power and has nothing to do with anything, but wanting power.

 

yawn ;)

 

bottom line is there ****s :mac1:

 

so mark why did they blow themselves up amongst innocent people,for hatred of britain thats what

 

scum like that dont deserve to raise children as far as im concerned in britain

 

no more imigrants fook that :mac1: we have enough :nono:

 

this is aimed at any fooker who cheers when britains/americans or the like are aplauded when murdered,what right do they have to live in luton :rofl:

Would that be a bad thing?

 

Not in a million years. That would be the best thing to do? If they keep killing the people and causing damage to prorerty but leave the politicians alone who will give a flying fook? Its easy for the politicians to show remorse (I'm sure they do feel it) But it isnt them that are getting killed. If it were, then maybe they would listen harder? The people have no control that lot do. so hitting the common man has no effect but sorrow. oh! yes the politicians say we are not standing for this. Aint we? Have we (INFACT) Been asked. I havent?

Hello!!!Can you smell the coffee?

 

This is their country so what are you talking about.

 

If what you are saying had the slightest vain of truth then why didn't they go and blow up Iraqis and Afganis before the War when Sadam Hussan and the Mujaadene (however you spell it) murdered 100's of thousands of fellow muslims who just happen to be from the wrong Tribe. Again sanctioned by Clerics who wanted to acheive more power and there's no oil in Afganistan + Why are these funimentalist (mental being the operative word) killing dozens of innocent Iraqis every day with suicide bombing missions. (because their pi55ed at American killing their countrymen. So Hey lets show those Yanks how to kill our own countrymen) That argument has no glue.

 

Sorry mate I belive that it's just a convenient excuse. Just as the 7 day war was or the golden temple or that many things. You only need to get a 20th centuary history book out. Terrorism is a product of TV and did not exist prior, because it needs media pictures other wise it isn't affective. It allow minorities a feeling of power and has nothing to do with anything, but wanting power.

 

HERE FOOKIN HERE.

bo11ocks ! W/o them our country would be in tatters! How may GPs, doctors, nurses, etc are from the east and middle east? I'd estimate over half... many of which are quiet peaceful intelligent muslims who hate the extremists more that we do! Im all up for preventing anyone else coming here though, i agree we are saturated and regardless of who u are, u shouldnt be allowed to move here, but kicking people out who's families have been here for 2 3 or 4 generations? It's true, we do fear what we dont understand. We hate what we fear :nono:

 

Disturbingly when I used to work in a hospital In late 2001, I repaired a PC for a Muslin doctor. He seemed like a really nice guy at first then he started saying that he fully supported the 9/11 terrorist attacks which had just taken place. The tw@t never paid me for doing the job so I completely blanked the bloke in work and made sure he had no home or work-related IT support from anyone afterwards. Fookin tw@t.

I'm not suggesting that they all support terrorism but it disturbs me to think that someone high up in the medical profession who I may rely on one day to save my life, thinks of me as Western trash and probably doesn't give a flying fook whether I live or die.

Many many innocent lives have also been taken in their country, during the war, this is revenge and a message to our goverment to leave their country.

 

Its taken them many years to manage to pull this off, who knows how many other failed attempts have been made that has been prevented by our Intelligence services.

 

Its more about disrupting the country and making themselves heard than the number of people killed. They could of killed many more than they did.

 

i dont see the british killing them now . and as i can remember they were all to happy for us to get rid of the tirant sadam , at the time .

and what kind of people kill the volinteers who go over there trying to help them get back on there feet :headvswal

and then blame there situation on us , we could have had the country back to normality by now if it wasnt for them kidnaping helpers and blowing up there own people and instilations

 

also i dont know of one proper church in saudi arabia , if your a cristian in there country you have to pray in secret or they get upset

wheres the equality in that

Just got in again from work and see the "Bombers" Thread is still sparking a bit of lively dispute. I thought I would have another penny's worth.

 

If this country didnt have imorgrants there would "PROBABLY" Be enough jobs to go around? There certainly wouldn't be bombings on our streets? We wouldn't be called racists because there would be no one to slag off for being different? There would be no muslim protests or any muslim death threats no need for the BNP and Enoch powel would probably become a Bank Manager? We would though probably be at war with the Scotts because William Wallis would have lived for ever. The Irish would have Ireland to them selves and Wales would be an Island? Just a bit of humour?

 

If you support terrorism (in any way) you are a terrorist. :headvswal

Disturbingly when I used to work in a hospital In late 2001, I repaired a PC for a Muslin doctor. He seemed like a really nice guy at first then he started saying that he fully supported the 9/11 terrorist attacks which had just taken place. The tw@t never paid me for doing the job so I completely blanked the bloke in work and made sure he had no home or work-related IT support from anyone afterwards. Fookin tw@t.

I'm not suggesting that they all support terrorism but it disturbs me to think that someone high up in the medical profession who I may rely on one day to save my life, thinks of me as Western trash and probably doesn't give a flying fook whether I live or die.

Ok that is quite disturbing. Probably one doctor in a million but all the same.... :nono: was this NHS or private? I am privately insured for health (work health scheme) and i thought i was safer going private :headvswal

no not one in a million.

 

quite a lot of them actually

 

I can think of quite a few occassions where other races have started off nicely then suddenly changed when certain things have happened ie 9/11 and the other day.

Its sh1t, they should be shot! I must admit, i quite liked the alcatraz idea :D

Disturbingly when I used to work in a hospital In late 2001, I repaired a PC for a Muslin doctor. He seemed like a really nice guy at first then he started saying that he fully supported the 9/11 terrorist attacks which had just taken place. The tw@t never paid me for doing the job so I completely blanked the bloke in work and made sure he had no home or work-related IT support from anyone afterwards. Fookin tw@t.

I'm not suggesting that they all support terrorism but it disturbs me to think that someone high up in the medical profession who I may rely on one day to save my life, thinks of me as Western trash and probably doesn't give a flying fook whether I live or die.

 

That is sickening that somebody like that could openly live within our country, in a highly professional role and openly voice opinions like that.

My thoughts go to familly & friends who lost loved ones through this most horrific act.

Terrorist have been around before we & America went to war on Iraqu!

I did not agree with Bush or Blair for taking us to war.

The muslums must look at thier problems, they have very big issues to tackle.

We are observing the 2 min silence in respect of the dead caught by these mad people!

My thoughts go to familly & friends who lost loved ones through this most horrific act.

Terrorist have been around before we & America went to war on Iraqu!

I did not agree with Bush or Blair for taking us to war.

The muslums must look at thier problems, they have very big issues to tackle.

We are observing the 2 min silence in respect of the dead caught by these mad people!

 

 

now thats the idea

What right do they have to live.....full stop...

Breaking News: Fourth bomber of british Jamaican:

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-07-14T122152Z_01_SCH444489_RTRUKOC_0_SECURITY-BRITAIN-SUSPECT.xml

yawn ;)

so mark why did they blow themselves up amongst innocent people

 

 

Gegg re read my posts mate. This proplem is very sophisticated. This is all about subvertion technics being used by certain muslim factions for political and teretorial power overseas.

 

These subvertion technics have been taught to them by the CIA, MI6 and KGB durring the cold war. So when we all kissed and made up these paid mullars were surpluse to requirements. At that point they should have been decomissioned or pensioned off. Instead they were told to pi55 off.

 

So having been trainned to subvert and control angents even to lay down their lives coupled to extreme fundimentalism. Plus being pi55ed at being sacked and lossing very lucrative livelyhoods we have a problem. Which if you alienate the muslim comunitey will just make it worse by chasing more young Asians into their suicide bomber trainning programs.

 

If we can get them on board we can defeat it and get the *******s. Thats why I say the muslim comunity really has to show the rest of britain that they will help defeat it.

I do admit there are too many do gooders and human rights nutters in this country...

 

this could be the most sensible quote above ive read so far on this subject,far too many tree huggers, getting political clout in this septic lump of rock we call GREAT BRITAIN haaaaa haaaaaa what a fvckin joke,what we need is some dna off douglas hurds y-fronts and start cloning some back to roots leaders who have the spunk to call a spade a spade,after thats done biuld a factory to make school canes by the truck load,after thats done round up all these british haters to a airport and start upping the aunty here and give them the choice to get on a 747 and go to the mecca show "home",

 

yea right you,d get them in the back of a fvckin cessna coz good ole tree hugger has promised them home,food,school,clothes,and even free internet to download bomb making instructions-----thats it ive got my self mad again :headvswal :headvswal