http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4575001.stm

 

In view of the strong comments on the teenage mum subject in another thread i thought this article might redress the balance a little...unless you have a heart of stone...anyways i'm off the soap-box now

 

cheers

:bow: total respect for her

 

somthing i prob could not do if it was me

i guess i must have a heart of stone then, she went out drinking and smoking with her older sister and managed to get up the duff at 12 years of age, this isnt just your typical chav, this is a committed for life bona fide chav. Im not saying she deserved to die though, it'd be hard not to feel sorry for someone who's had their life taken from them by cancer so yeah I feel sorry for her in that respect. If I was the child though, im not sure i'd want to know about my boozing/smoking 12yo mother though

I saw some of the footage this morning on Breakfast ....

 

Can't say I will be watching it ...

:bow: total respect for her

 

somthing i prob could not do if it was me

 

I wouldn't want to do it even if it was me .... ;)

i guess i must have a heart of stone then, she went out drinking and smoking with her older sister and managed to get up the duff at 12 years of age, this isnt just your typical chav, this is a committed for life bona fide chav. Im not saying she deserved to die though, it'd be hard not to feel sorry for someone who's had their life taken from them by cancer so yeah I feel sorry for her in that respect. If I was the child though, im not sure i'd want to know about my boozing/smoking 12yo mother though

 

:bow: Couldn't have put it better myself!

 

Yes, it's sad that she got a fatal disease (and is now dead), but otherwise she qualifies for the 'sponging slut' title, same as the others. Harsh, but true.

My heart must be made of stone too. Same comments apply as per the other thread in so much as where on earth was the mother (and father??) when it came to accepting responsibility for their daughter, her social behaviour and sexual activities???

 

I agree it's a tragic story but that still does not take away the fact that this girl was not living her life in a manner appropriate for her age. Had she not tragically died so young then I would suspect she would have gone on to be just like thousands of others: never working, living off government (our) money and generally being a burden to society.

 

Am I being harsh??? Maybe - but until more parents accept responsibility and the do-gooders realise that cosseting and pampering to this type of people do no good whatsoever then I'm afraid that's how it'll be.

 

I'll get down off my soapbox now......................

Another heart of stone for me I guess. Two wrongs don't make a right - bad stuff happens - deal with it.

 

I feel no worse for her than anyone else who dies of cancer, nobody deserves it but it happens fairly indiscriminately.

as the good book said let he who is without sin cast the first stone...only kidding...i aint going religious but its possible a few members on here could be the offspring of teenage mums or have married/lived/had children with one are they all worthless in a society based on the consumption argument?

can you only be respected if your gonna work and spend for 50 years?

does a 1 day old baby deserve £1000 p/hour intensive care?

do footballers on £10,000 p/week have our respect?

as the good book said let he who is without sin cast the first stone...only kidding...i aint going religious but its possible a few members on here could be the offspring of teenage mums or have married/lived/had children with one are they all worthless in a society based on the consumption argument?

can you only be respected if your gonna work and spend for 50 years?

does a 1 day old baby deserve £1000 p/hour intensive care?

do footballers on £10,000 p/week have our respect?

 

1. Don't have a problem with the off-spring as long as they don't grow into sponging cnuts.

 

2. You don't have to work/spend for 50 years to earn respect, you've just got to either contribute something worthwhile to the community as a whole, or at least not SPONGE!

 

3. £1000/hr intensive care for a baby? Ooooooooo I'm gonna get FLAMED for this, but NO! The poor little bleeder was obviously not a naturally viable healthy baby, the money could be better spent elsewhere in the NHS (and the parents can always try for another)

 

4. Footballers? :xxx: :xxx: :mac1: :headvswal

 

3. £1000/hr intensive care for a baby? Ooooooooo I'm gonna get FLAMED for this, but NO! The poor little bleeder was obviously not a naturally viable healthy baby, the money could be better spent elsewhere in the NHS (and the parents can always try for another)

not wrong there mate, imagine it was your baby now, changed your mind? thought so ;)

 

3. £1000/hr intensive care for a baby? Ooooooooo I'm gonna get FLAMED for this, but NO! The poor little bleeder was obviously not a naturally viable healthy baby, the money could be better spent elsewhere in the NHS (and the parents can always try for another)

 

 

fookin hell mate ... I don't like kids at all, but steady on ... ;)

3. £1000/hr intensive care for a baby? Ooooooooo I'm gonna get FLAMED for this, but NO! The poor little bleeder was obviously not a naturally viable healthy baby, the money could be better spent elsewhere in the NHS (and the parents can always try for another)

£1000/hr care could probably be made more efficient and it therefore costng less. A 1 day old baby is still a human and the child never asked to be brought into this world. I think circumstance should be taken into consideraton when discussing this.

 

For example a 1 day old baby of a chav 14 year old mother who lives on benefits, with her mum also on benefits and her mum's benefit scrounging boyfriend (or flavour of the month or whatever) will not be likely to grow up to be useful to society... they are more likely to follow in the footsteps of their parent(s), therefore the plug should be pulled.

 

However if the child is from a couple who have a reasonable social standing (i.e. actually got more than 2 C's in their GCSE/O-levels, have a job, and the finances to care for a baby of very poor health) then they should be given the option.

 

I'm not the world's hugest fan of children but I do think that if your baby has even a remote chance of recovering from whatever s/he is in intensive care for then they should be supported whatever the cost. (Providing they meet the criteria of the above paragrpah :p )

I personally havent got anything against young mothers. My mum was only 17 when she had me. But I was planned and wanted. As are most I'm sure. But its the fact that these little tarts and the family they come from are ponce's and low lifes and they should never be allowed to have children. I aint a "Classist" ?? Just a realist?

 

No way am I getting into another row but Xbiker????? Think before you post mate please? :slap:

not wrong there mate, imagine it was your baby now, changed your mind? thought so ;)

 

 

If it was MY baby then yes, subjectively, I would want the very best care possible for it......but where do you stop? There is only so much money in the NHS and spending VAST amounts of it trying to keep alive something that is only a week past the foetus stage does not seem to be a good way to spend it. Sorry, but there you go. What if a premature baby could be kept alive if you spent £1,000,000 a week on it? Should you do it? Should you close down a heart/liver/kidney dialysis ward to keep that baby alive? Yes it's a shame for the parents after all the excitement of looking forward to having a child (for probably less than 7 months if you consider the time taken for the mother to know she was pregnant in the first place, and the time less than 9 months for it to be premature) Ok, now I'm gonna get REALLY HARSH, a severley premature baby is just a bunch of cells that have semi-miscarried. The parents may well be excited about it, but they do not 'know' it, they do not have a 'bond' with it (other than the 'mystical fantasies' that seem to surround this perfectly natural occurrance in the animal kingdom) The world can be an upsetting place, bad things can happen to good people, and 'right' does not always win like it does in the movies. If they find they cannot have a healthy baby (or at least one that doesn't require NASA Mission Control to support it for 6 months), then I believe there are one or two kids around the country up for adoption. How about having one of those?

and as for pulling the plug on a baby just because its mother is a chav or a scrounger doesn't really cut it. Everyone has a right to life FFS. Just because the poor sod has a crappy background doesn't mean it will end up like it's parents.

 

I hate scroungers but damned if I would agree to pulling the plug on an innocent life.

If it was MY baby then yes, subjectively, I would want the very best care possible for it......but where do you stop? There is only so much money in the NHS and spending VAST amounts of it trying to keep alive something that is only a week past the foetus stage does not seem to be a good way to spend it. Sorry, but there you go. What if a premature baby could be kept alive if you spent £1,000,000 a week on it? Should you do it? Should you close down a heart/liver/kidney dialysis ward to keep that baby alive? Yes it's a shame for the parents after all the excitement of looking forward to having a child (for probably less than 7 months if you consider the time taken for the mother to know she was pregnant in the first place, and the time less than 9 months for it to be premature) Ok, now I'm gonna get REALLY HARSH, a severley premature baby is just a bunch of cells that have semi-miscarried. The parents may well be excited about it, but they do not 'know' it, they do not have a 'bond' with it (other than the 'mystical fantasies' that seem to surround this perfectly natural occurrance in the animal kingdom) The world can be an upsetting place, bad things can happen to good people, and 'right' does not always win like it does in the movies. If they find they cannot have a healthy baby (or at least one that doesn't require NASA Mission Control to support it for 6 months), then I believe there are one or two kids around the country up for adoption. How about having one of those?

:shock:

Although you have a point i think you could have perhaps sugar coated it a little? Dont forget you yourself are just a bunch of cells....

At the end of the day we must remember one major fact? "It aint the babys fault? Not until they become the parents and follow in the foot steps of the slags that dragged them up" Until then. We must feel for them. They have not got a rosey future like some of us. There are childless couples out there?. Nature has a funny old way?

IMHO if you follow some of the above to its logical conclusion then all women (or their partners) of child-bearing age who live in an socially deprived area's with no prospect of meaningful employment should perhaps be sterilised or have their kids put up for adoption....a little bit of history repeating....we have been there and done that in this country and a few others....

anyway to borrow another cliche....if history teaches us anything its that we learn nothing from history

 

interesting debate as always...right my time as devils advocate is up...have fun... :D

wooo some harsh views there, BUT all in their own way make sense

as Andy P says sadly it's a fact of life, and as someone who has been there done it bought the tee-shirt, ive also seen a lot more braver people than i ever was succumb to it, i used to go to Christies 3 time a week, and generally it was the same people i'd see week in week out, then suddenly you wouldn't see someone and sadly find out why.

 

One young girl i "knew" for 3 years was simply amazing and put most of us to shame, but a lot of her bravery, decency and the fact she was a really likeable girl, was down to the way her lovely parents brought her up,

they still ring me two years later to see how i am, even though they lost her, and we often discuss things like these issues, and i think why did they deserve it, when you see some of the things that go on in the world

 

not sure i could be so harsh as some above BUT again, it's not a black and white issue,

save a day old baby or spend it on an operation for your mum

chemo' for a member of your family or buy a new machine for a theatre

but how much is being spent on kids having babies, and then supporting them

for the rest of their lives, i don't think anyone is saying all young mothers are the same , i wonder how many of these young kids would have babys, if they received no grants, no child benefit (until they reached a legal age) in fact make their parents TOTALLY responsible for the actions of their kids, why the hell should parents receive child benefit, and their kids ALSO receive it, seems a bit like being fined in court, then some other bugger pays the fine :rolleyes:

Jesus Christ .. have I logged on to a different forum ... I think we need to have some sort of compassion here ... No wonder I dont get on well with people FFS

 

I have seen lots of shit but sometimes I do wonder about you lot ...

Didn't see the last thread but I don't blame it on the schools, I blame it on the parents. If parents showed kids the attention they need when they are young, and bought them up in a sound and correct manner where they have values and morals, you wouldn't have to have school trying to police and control the little thug like ****ers that all these crap parents bring up.

 

If you don't want kids, and dont want to spend time on them then don't fkin have em .

welcome back Stevo ... common sense at last .lol

welcome back Stevo ... common sense at last .lol

 

:D

 

Not sure it was in keeping with this thread but thought id give my 2p worth lol

I blame one thing. The television. Every kid follows what's going on on TV. We used to try and copy our heros in our day but back then it was James Bond or the Bionic man FFS! How many kids have the "Crazy frog" and other Jamster stuff on their phones. Why is Britain such a depressive nation? - Eastenders, Coronation St. and all the other dead-end soap shite, that's what I reckon. When you get some tw@t of a producer who includes a scene in Casualty where a young girl gets admitted after shoving a tampon in before getting rammed by some bloke and gets ill then it sends out the message that people must have sex by the time they're 12 or they're abnormal. What the fook do they expect is gonna happen?

 

Schools wouldn't be a bad place to start because half the parents are riddled with Chavs disease by now but it would help if TV was filtered of its depressive/explicit shite. Hardly any parent knows what shite their kids are seeing or doing on the internet, this can't be a good start in life either.

The government should stop free housing and handouts for people who have children and cannot afford them. Its simple I cant afford the payments on a Ferrari so I cant have one, if you cant afford to house and feed your offspring then dont have them untill you can. There is NO REASON why anyone else should have to subsidise these people.