I normally drive a fiat coupe 20 valve turbo with 220 at the wheels with subtle mods. Some lunatic has stolen my car and I'm awaiting a settlement figure.

 

At first I thought about a revised 3 mr2 turbo but then it only has 2 seats and there is only so much bhp you can squeeze out of a 2 litre engine.

 

I am now considering either a 3000gt or a 300zx.

 

If I was going for the 300zx it would need to have leather and be manual as well as turbo. T bar would be a bonus.

 

What I'm really looking for lads is for you to tell me the pro's and con's with each car. I think they both look nice.

 

Can you perhaps estimate what kind of power output you'd have if you had a standard uk model and a standard jap model then you added best possible exhaust from root to tip with no cats as well as either getting a full remap or digital boost set at a sensible 13psi or so?

 

I basically want a complete beast for summer.

 

What kind of 0-60, quarter mile times do these cars pack with above mods and what is the top speed?

 

I don't have a clue about these cars and am only just starting my research so if you could steer me in the right direction I'd really appreciate that.

 

cheers

 

Steve

I dont know that you're going to hear too many positive things about the 3000gt/gto on this forum :) but IMHO they are very nice cars, particularly the later models without the horrible popup lights, 6-speed box and 320Bhp as standard. The handling is also pretty sharp, permanent 4wd and traction control mean you can hammer it round corners without fear of loosing the back end (if driving aids like that is your thing, some hate them) If arse out drifting antics is your thing (possibly not coming from a FWD car) the zed is the way to go. There is however the issue of styling, the mitsubishi as far as im concerned is a bit OTT and the zed is a much more attractive car.

 

As far as reliability goes you wont find much between them, both are very complex beasts and require good maintenance to keep them in decent shape (you probably found this with your Fiat though) Long term maintenance may be a little easier with the mitsubishi, for example the turbos are easily accessible compared to the zed (not an engine out job)

 

With the farily modest set of mods you're talking about there shouldnt be a huge performance difference between the two cars either, the 3000 is a little heavier than the zed but has better traction. both should give you 0-60's well below 6 seconds. BHPs is always a guess unless you get it on a rolling road, so many variables to consider it boggles the mind! Very rough guesses for BHP at the crank would be mid 300's for both cars with exhaust, filter, boost and ECU mods.

 

in conlusion, both great cars but nobody on here will tell you to buy anything except a zed! :) (except maybe one or two supra converts..... :) )

 

So have a look in the for sale section and buy one of the members cars that are for sale! :D

Ask the 3000GT people and they think their car is faster, ask us and we know the 300zx is faster. Most of us has seen the "No Chance mate, no chance "

 

I know little about the 3000GT but I have heared they are a bitch to tune up.

 

For the 300ZX, most are twinturbo, virtually all are T-Top, not too many manuals but they are in impossible to find.

 

You will have to have a drive of both and then see for yourself what you like personally. One person looks for one lot of characteristics in a car and another person something else.

Hi Steve, I have a UK manual TT for sale, you can see more info inthe link below in my sig

 

Cheers mate

 

Steve

The GTO/3000GT is a very good car but bloody heavy and as I recall has very limited tuning potential on standard turbo's etc...

 

Its a matter of personal choice but I've found there is something about the 300zx that gets under your skin. I think it is a much more emotive car than the Mitsi - its not just a piece of machinery/technology... (I'm sure people on here will know what I'm trying to get at)

I've driven both and found the 3000GT (new shape, UK Spec) to be a very uninvolved, unrewarding drive. Not my cup of tea at all. I considered it as an "upgrade" for my car about 5 years ago when you could still get them new. Just didn't do it for me at all :(

 

I've had a Zed now for 9 years so that probably speaks volumes... ;)

 

Steve :)

GTO all out Z's are crap...

Actually B4 I get slated or b4 you take me seriously, i'd better be honest, the Z is probably the better car.

 

Before I got my Z I looked at a few GTO's, I think they are very good looking cars (if you dump those aweful, and small stock rims and lower them) and they are pretty nippy. They just don't have the Raw power/kick that the Z does. They do have a smoother ride I beleive, and that may / may not be their downfall depending on what you are after. Many mitsu cars are not very tunable in stock form. Take the Legnum vr4 as a prime example, smallest production turbos you can buy on them, ok they have two but they are no bigger than a hairdryer, 250hp? feels more like 150. You really can't tune these cars on stock parts.

 

I think the Z is very hard to beat, with a boost upgrade, chip / zorst etc, pretty basic stuff you can break the 320+hp mark, and have bags more torque to boot. The Z is loads cheaper on parts than the mitsu, and a little less complex, I also think that the Z has a better following, more specialists etc and fans.

 

I think the Z is, and always will be one of the best sports/supercars to come out of the late 80's and early 90's, a lot of car for the money, a lot of fun fun for the money, just go get one you know it makes sense ;)

And lets not forget that the Z is lush and the GTO is extremely ugly.

z z z all they way dude !! i had the same choice when i was looking a while back and the zed won me over !!

Ive had 2 Z's, a mate has had 3 GTO's, me drove my Z and is now looking for one.

 

Nuff said

 

Rich

Thanks a lot guys for all your feedback. Another thing that I find important is the forum believe it or not and I find this place a bit more supportive than the GTO one and also the Mr2 one imoc.co.uk and gtouk.co.uk. In gto my message disappeared 2wice now after posting similar to what I posted here. When I had my coupe I was a member of fccuk.org and I found that really helpful, I don't think I could have ran the car for the price I did without it's help.

 

 

I am just looking for the easiest way to get a complete brute.

 

I own a valeting company and I was at the quarter mile with my fiat coupe (220 wheels) It was a hot day and another valeting bloke in a zed cut in front of me to race me. I thought I'd trounce him as I actually had driven his car when it was owned by someone else. It's completely standard and is an automatic. He packed 14 seconds and beat me as I only managed 14.5 on that run. I couldn't believe it. So surely with a few little mods like I said and if I get a manual then I'll be able to pack some major times.

 

How much lighter is the zed compared to the mitsy?

 

cheers guys

Thanks a lot guys for all your feedback. Another thing that I find important is the forum believe it or not and I find this place a bit more supportive than the GTO one and also the Mr2 one imoc.co.uk and gtouk.co.uk. In gto my message disappeared 2wice now after posting similar to what I posted here. When I had my coupe I was a member of fccuk.org and I found that really helpful, I don't think I could have ran the car for the price I did without it's help.

 

 

I am just looking for the easiest way to get a complete brute.

 

I own a valeting company and I was at the quarter mile with my fiat coupe (220 wheels) It was a hot day and another valeting bloke in a zed cut in front of me to race me. I thought I'd trounce him as I actually had driven his car when it was owned by someone else. It's completely standard and is an automatic. He packed 14 seconds and beat me as I only managed 14.5 on that run. I couldn't believe it. So surely with a few little mods like I said and if I get a manual then I'll be able to pack some major times.

 

How much lighter is the zed compared to the mitsy?

 

cheers guys

 

In theory mate, for a few hundred quid (zorst, chip, induction and up boost) it should be possible to get around 13secs :) Never ran mine on the strip, but I have seen ppl get time close to this.

At first I thought about a revised 3 mr2 turbo but then it only has 2 seats and there is only so much bhp you can squeeze out of a 2 litre engine.

 

 

LOL, don't be fooled by the 3GTSE in the MR2 turbo. Some of the fastest Supras in the world bin the 3 litre lump in favour of one of these and I have heard of MR2's running 800bhp plus in Japan.

 

As for your dilemma, well the MR2 turbo is a great car, I used to have one but the whole 2 seat thing was an issue. I think the GTO is a lovely car but it is let down by not being able to take the roof off. A big deal for me seeing I only use mine at the weekends and Summer is here:D

 

Do yourself a favour and buy a Zed. If you do your homework and buy a good'n then you wont be dissapointed:)

 

Justin.

Thanks a lot guys for all your feedback. Another thing that I find important is the forum believe it or not and I find this place a bit more supportive than the GTO one and also the Mr2 one imoc.co.uk and gtouk.co.uk. In gto my message disappeared 2wice now after posting similar to what I posted here. When I had my coupe I was a member of fccuk.org and I found that really helpful, I don't think I could have ran the car for the price I did without it's help.

 

 

I am just looking for the easiest way to get a complete brute.

 

I own a valeting company and I was at the quarter mile with my fiat coupe (220 wheels) It was a hot day and another valeting bloke in a zed cut in front of me to race me. I thought I'd trounce him as I actually had driven his car when it was owned by someone else. It's completely standard and is an automatic. He packed 14 seconds and beat me as I only managed 14.5 on that run. I couldn't believe it. So surely with a few little mods like I said and if I get a manual then I'll be able to pack some major times.

 

How much lighter is the zed compared to the mitsy?

 

cheers guys

 

 

Done a little search and the 3000GT is 320lb heavier than a 300ZX. But I think they 300ZX they compaired it with was a TT Manual 2 seater.

3000GT I found between 3790-3800lb

300ZX I found between 3470-3500.

 

Add another 100-150lb for 2+2 I would say, but the weight distribution is better for 2+2

I may just wait until someone is selling a beast with perhaps uprated turbos etc.

In which case probably best to buy from somebody on here so that way you'll know what you're getting. There are a couple of highly tuned examples on autotrader for £7k - 8k at the moment, but you'd be a braver man than I to get one methinks.

Somebody on here was selling their silver one for 5k as I remember. Think it's somewhat tuned.

I just want a complete barbaric piece of bedlam.

 

I am not bothered about cornering as I personally believe that's where the accidents happen, I don't race cars round a track only on quarter mile.

I have my own private race tracks also and I only utilise the long straights, I don't like zooming round bends, i reckon that's where the bravado stems from then you just push your car a bit too far. I just like to seek and destroy, they can outbrake me all they like but by then I've proven that my car's heart has more passion.

 

I sound like such a prick.

I just want a complete barbaric piece of bedlam.

 

I am not bothered about cornering as I personally believe that's where the accidents happen, I don't race cars round a track only on quarter mile.

I have my own private race tracks also and I only utilise the long straights, I don't like zooming round bends, i reckon that's where the bravado stems from then you just push your car a bit too far. I just like to seek and destroy, they can outbrake me all they like but by then I've proven that my car's heart has more passion.

 

I sound like such a prick.

 

If you want a car to run 1/4 miles then why don't you look at a tuned yank muscle car. They won't go round corners but not much is quicker down the strip.

Interesting comments guys, I think the mr2 is out the window purely for the 2 seat thing.

 

It's either zx or 3000gt, apparently the zed is lighter and faster and easier to tune as turbo access isn't restricted??

 

steve...................

 

^^^^

Above is your post on GTOUK......I think you've got the wrong end of the stick mate, its the Z that is an engine out job to change turbo's.

 

If all you want is a 1/4mile car, the 4WD of the GTO will surely help ;)

 

but as i said above if all you want is a 1/4mile car and you're not bothered about looks, buy a Pulsa or an early EVO :rolleyes:

I need it to look good too and I don't like the look of the pulsar at all although I know they are pretty damn fast. With exhaust and chip, remap or boost increase what would a zed have?

 

It needs to look pretty meat. I want people to know I mean business when they glance upon me in the rear view and I also don't want them to laugh at me. I don't want to take a complete slagging from my dad either and if I drove a pulsar or an early evo he'd pound me as they look like hyundais in drag.

I am sure Rossy on here is selling his. ABSOLUTE BARGAIN ... You wont find better than that for the money. LOOK in the for sale section .. has some nice upgraded turbos.

ChrisP, you're back.... havent seen you on here since before the Christmas draw.

Some mentioned you had trouble with your back or something, everything ok now?

 

 

SORRY SWEEP for the thread hijack

^^^^

Above is your post on GTOUK......I think you've got the wrong end of the stick mate, its the Z that is an engine out job to change turbo's.

 

If all you want is a 1/4mile car, the 4WD of the GTO will surely help ;)

 

but as i said above if all you want is a 1/4mile car and you're not bothered about looks, buy a Pulsa or an early EVO :rolleyes:

 

YOUR MAD a gto better than a 300zx down the 1/4mile strip :rofl:

 

iv never seen a gto beat a 300 on the 1/4mile you need to understand that a gto is about grip it might get of the line a bit better with the 4x4 thats as far as it goes,iv driven a gto so i can pass coment there a boring un involving drive IMO

Hi mate ... I have had a complete and utter fookin nightmare time of it of late. Spent the whole of Christmas in bed. Basically my back went foobar .. Good to be back though. I really missed this place.

 

I am on the mend now though. Looking forward to driving the old Z again.

 

Unfortunately I missed out on Pete's 99 spec (Glad you sold it though mate)

 

All good fun ... All you guys and gals who sit in front of a computer all day .. look after your backs .. IT can fook you right up ...

 

ChrisP